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NorthReport

Shooting suspect taught two men about Islam while living at homeless shelter — and now they're missing

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau was close with two Caucasian anglophones, who would talk about Islam. All three vanished from the shelter Wednesday morning

 

 

NorthReport

Doesn't look like it according to Lawrence Martin.

Will this terror attack be a political game-changer?

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/10/23/is-terror-attack-a-political-game-cha...

Debater wrote:

French press refers to Justin Trudeau as Prime Minister of Canada.

Guess this proves Justin Trudeau looks Prime Ministerial.

Foreshadowing? Wink

https://twitter.com/afpfr/status/525389469403185153

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFicgCpvh5E&list=UUckz6n8QccTd6K_xdwKqa0A

NDPP

and away we go...

Ontarians Need To Be On Alert For 'Radicalized' Individuals, Officials Say

http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2014/10/22/security_on_high_alert...

"Ontarians need to 'be vigilant' and alert for 'radicalized' individuals in the wake of attacks on Parliament Hill and soldiers in Montreal and Ottawa, police and Community Safety Minister Yasir Nagvi warn..."

Toronto Police To Increase Presence After Ottawa Attack

http://www.thestar.com/news/2014/10/22/toronto_police_to_increase_presen...

"Toronto's police chief says officers in the city will step up their presence following attacks on soldiers in Ottawa and Quebec. But Bill Blair says there is no known specific threat..."

Debater

NorthReport wrote:

Doesn't look like it according to Lawrence Martin.

Will this terror attack be a political game-changer?

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2014/10/23/is-terror-attack-a-political-game-cha...

Lawrence Martin is exploring the potential advantages of this attack for Harper, but he isn't reaching any definitive conclusions.

It's jumping the gun to assume this is going to suddenly reverse all the problems that Harper & the Conservatives face.

I think the Conservatives may get a bump in support from this, but I don't expect Canadians will give Harper the same type of support they gave George W. Bush.

Are you hoping it helps the Cons, NR?

NDPP

Ottawa Terror Attack Triggers Massive Police-Military Mobilization  -  by Keith Jones

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/10/23/cana-o23.html

"The Canadian state has enacted its National Anti-Terrorism Plan, which involves the coordinated mobilization of all sections of the national-security apparatus, including the military, in response to the shooting Wednesday morning of a soldier at the National War Memorial in downtown Ottawa and storming of the national parliament buildings by a gunman.

Pursuing an agenda that is inimical to tlhe interests of the vast majority of the population, Canada's ruling elite, like its counterparts in the US and the other imperialist democracies, is increasingly turning to authoritarian methods or fule, chauvinist and militarist appeals, and the politics of fear-mongering and provocation..."

 

Canadian Terror Wave a Modern Day Gladio  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2014/10/canadian-terror-wave-modern-day...

"Canada's attacks were predictable..."

NDPP

Cross Canada Anti-War Demonstrations This Weekend Against Canada's Participation in the Third Iraq War

http://www.globalresearch.ca/cross-canada-anti-war-demonstrations-this-w...

The Canadian Peace Alliance and the Collectif Echec a la guerre are calling for a weekend of protest actions on 25-26 October against Canadian participation in the third Iraq war...

http://canadianpeace.org/category/iraq/

Toronto, Saturday, October 254, 2:30 PM, US Consulate - 360 University Ave (just north of Osgoode Subway Stn)

see cpa site for further listings...

* Circulate this info and  try to attend - a dismal turnout will sabotage the anti-war message/cause *

 

Pondering

NDPP wrote:

Cross Canada Anti-War Demonstrations This Weekend Against Canada's Participation in the Third Iraq War

http://www.globalresearch.ca/cross-canada-anti-war-demonstrations-this-w...

The Canadian Peace Alliance and the Collectif Echec a la guerre are calling for a weekend of protest actions on 25-26 October against Canadian participation in the third Iraq war...

http://canadianpeace.org/category/iraq/

Toronto, Saturday, October 254, 2:30 PM, US Consulate - 360 University Ave (just north of Osgoode Subway Stn)

see cpa site for further listings...

* Circulate this info and  try to attend - a dismal turnout will sabotage the anti-war message/cause *

Thanks, I'll be there.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

alan smithee, it is like you and I share a brain. I have no more to say because you said it all.

epaulo, I too was upset and confounded by the timing of these events given the new legislation the Harper Cons were presenting to further erode our civil liberties.

Michael M and cco, I am also totally dismayed by May's comments but I will add that her statements on the topic of abortion are equally troubling.

As for the aftermath, is there any reason why one military life is more worthy of every government house flying their flags half mast than another? Was the poor guy run down on Monday less deserving than the corporal shot yesterday of this tribute? Not that I think this massive over response is anywhere near appropriate. It's unfortunately pure opportunism and propaganda.

NDPP thanks for the WSWS link and the update on upcoming protests.

NorthReport

After seeing the film  footage today maybe there was not that much time between the 1st event and the entry into Centre Block.

Webgear

CBC/Sun News was reporting 2 minutes between events and across 3 police zones of responsibility. Thus the breakdown of communications I mentioned earlier. 

NDPP

#OttawaShooting

https://twitter.com/hashtag/OttawaShooting?src=hash

"Harper Govt seeks 'preventative detention' in wake of #OttawaShooting..."

Debater

At Issue: Attack in Ottawa

Oct 23, 2014

How has Canada changed since yesterday's attack? The At Issue panel share their thoughts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZZ1LrCZgTE

MegB

Paladin1 wrote:
The shooter was also prohibited from owning firearms.

Then he stole or was given it. My money's on being handed a modified shotgun and told, "go to town". Pure speculation of course but the way the shooter behaved seemed organized but poorly thought out.

Slumberjack

6079_Smith_W wrote:
Shotguns don't fire bullets, and shot wouldn't leave a hole like that in a door.

A slug would.

Debater

Rosemary Barton:

Paulson: weapon 30/30 Winchester gun. He was prohibited from possessing firearms. We will find out how he got that gun.

https://twitter.com/RosieBarton/status/525377150267187200

addictedtomyipod

Yesterday's speech in the HOC by Green Leader Elizabeth May was awful.  All it needed was some finger wagging to go along with her nagging.  I bet MP's felt like they were 15 again and in trouble from a parent.  Who the heck needs to be preached to like this?

'I know these moments are important and we should underline that there is no
partisanship in the House when we are all together. In the same way, I guess
that there are no atheists in fox holes, there are no political party
leaders when we share a common experience of such basic fear and concern for
our loved ones and for our well-being. All of us together are family. We
need to feel it and say it more often. We are together in this place and our
constituents need to know. We are not at war with each other, as the Prime
Minister said. '

http://openparliament.ca/debates/2014/10/23/elizabeth-may-1/

 

 

Pondering

addictedtomyipod wrote:

Yesterday's speech in the HOC by Green Leader Elizabeth May was awful.  All it needed was some finger wagging to go along with her nagging.  I bet MP's felt like they were 15 again and in trouble from a parent.  Who the heck needs to be preached to like this?

'I know these moments are important and we should underline that there is no
partisanship in the House when we are all together. In the same way, I guess
that there are no atheists in fox holes, there are no political party
leaders when we share a common experience of such basic fear and concern for
our loved ones and for our well-being. All of us together are family. We
need to feel it and say it more often. We are together in this place and our
constituents need to know. We are not at war with each other, as the Prime
Minister said. '

http://openparliament.ca/debates/2014/10/23/elizabeth-may-1/

May's speech also included:

In closing, I want to wish all of my colleagues and all Canadians well. I pray for one thing: that we hang on to the sense of a common, shared purpose, that we remain calm, and that we wait for answers from the police before we make any assumptions about motivations, connections or the extent of what we face.

Harper's speech is the one that is offensive.

spoke of the state of much of the world, and I think for all of us who are blessed to live in a country like this, it is hard to appreciate, understand, or fathom how we can have people who are involved in a movement that so wants violence, who so despise modernity, who so hate progress that they can desire to drive out medical workers from their community, harm them; that they can enslave women, torture children; that they can kill, want to kill anyone who looks or thinks differently from them. It is in a sense beyond our comprehension, but it is very real. In this struggle in which we are engaged, in which not only our finest values must be pushed to work, so must be and will be the highest unity and resolve. They are our ultimate and indispensable weapons, and that is what these people will face....

For that reason, and with the belief that security in Canada is the government's primary responsibility, we have, over the years, passed such legislation as the Combating Terrorism Act and the Strengthening Canadian Citizenship Act to better protect Canadians and secure our institutions. Last week, our government proposed amendments to the legislation under which the Canadian Security Intelligence Service operates.

As members know, in recent weeks, I have been saying that our laws and police powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance, detention, and arrest. They need to be much strengthened. I assure members that work, which is already under way, will be expedited....

Throughout his speech he associates this attack with organized international terrorism and he is already trying to use the attack to support his legislation. Harper started politicizing this before Nathan Cirillo body was cold.

addictedtomyipod

Pondering wrote:

addictedtomyipod wrote:

Yesterday's speech in the HOC by Green Leader Elizabeth May was awful.  All it needed was some finger wagging to go along with her nagging.  I bet MP's felt like they were 15 again and in trouble from a parent.  Who the heck needs to be preached to like this?

'I know these moments are important and we should underline that there is no
partisanship in the House when we are all together. In the same way, I guess
that there are no atheists in fox holes, there are no political party
leaders when we share a common experience of such basic fear and concern for
our loved ones and for our well-being. All of us together are family. We
need to feel it and say it more often. We are together in this place and our
constituents need to know. We are not at war with each other, as the Prime
Minister said. '

http://openparliament.ca/debates/2014/10/23/elizabeth-may-1/

May's speech also included:

In closing, I want to wish all of my colleagues and all Canadians well. I pray for one thing: that we hang on to the sense of a common, shared purpose, that we remain calm, and that we wait for answers from the police before we make any assumptions about motivations, connections or the extent of what we face.

Harper's speech is the one that is offensive.

spoke of the state of much of the world, and I think for all of us who are blessed to live in a country like this, it is hard to appreciate, understand, or fathom how we can have people who are involved in a movement that so wants violence, who so despise modernity, who so hate progress that they can desire to drive out medical workers from their community, harm them; that they can enslave women, torture children; that they can kill, want to kill anyone who looks or thinks differently from them. It is in a sense beyond our comprehension, but it is very real. In this struggle in which we are engaged, in which not only our finest values must be pushed to work, so must be and will be the highest unity and resolve. They are our ultimate and indispensable weapons, and that is what these people will face....

For that reason, and with the belief that security in Canada is the government's primary responsibility, we have, over the years, passed such legislation as the Combating Terrorism Act and the Strengthening Canadian Citizenship Act to better protect Canadians and secure our institutions. Last week, our government proposed amendments to the legislation under which the Canadian Security Intelligence Service operates.

As members know, in recent weeks, I have been saying that our laws and police powers need to be strengthened in the area of surveillance, detention, and arrest. They need to be much strengthened. I assure members that work, which is already under way, will be expedited....

Throughout his speech he associates this attack with organized international terrorism and he is already trying to use the attack to support his legislation. Harper started politicizing this before Nathan Cirillo body was cold.

Yes, I have no time for Harper either.

bekayne

addictedtomyipod wrote:

Yesterday's speech in the HOC by Green Leader Elizabeth May was awful.  All it needed was some finger wagging to go along with her nagging. 

Was it also "shrill"?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

One of the most offensive things Harpo says in his speech is 'those who hate progress'

Couldn't that very well include the Conservatives themselves?

He's a sick fuck.

Debater

Here we go:

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Ottawa shooting: Harper government wants to make terror arrests easier

Oct 24, 2014

'Accelerated review of police abilities' underway, Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-harper-government-wants-...

Debater

Cold Lake's mosque has been vandalized.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0uWMTkCMAAEm1_.jpg

 

Fletcher Kent, Reporter with Global News Edmonton

https://twitter.com/FletcherKent/status/525678920666841088

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Breaking news...Possible 'terror' attack in NYC. Police are waiting for confirmation that the perpetrator had any links to Islam first.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/york-police-officer-critically-wounded-hatchet...

MegB

Harper's taken a page out of the GW Bush "How to Respond to a Terrorist Attack" playbook. Look for increased militarism, flag-waving and non-combatant casualites in whichever oil-producting country full of disposable brown people is most plausible.

How's that definition of stupidity go? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time.

zerocarbs

Thoughts jumbling around in my head: Toronto - G20 - martial law for about four days - a billion dollars wasted. Now we have brave boy Harper hiding in a closet. And a kid dead protecting a statue. This country is in the toilet. Any reason not to flush?

NDPP

Surveillance in Canada. Journalist Who Exposed Snowden Leaks Predicts Crackdown

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/journalist-who-spotlighted-sno...

"Canadians should expect sweeping security and surveillance measures following attacks against the military in Quebec and Ottawa says the man who helped expose wideranging government monitoring of citizens in the United States.

'I will be shocked if the events of this week don't result in far greater secrecy powers and far greater surveillance powers than existed previously,' Glenn Greenwald told the Canadian Press on Thursday.

I've seen it so many times where the fear and nationalism that get generated by these events render almost inevitable not just the enactment of legislation that was already pending but I'll bet new and wholly more extreme measures as well.'

Shortly after Greenwald's comments, Prime Minister Stephen Harper told the Commons the 'surveillance, detention and arrest' powers of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service will quickly be toughened. 'They need to be much strengthened, and I assure you, Mr Speaker, that work - which is already underway - will be expedited,' he said..."

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

[url=https://ricochet.media/en/133/after-ottawa-dissent-more-critical-than-ev... Ottawa, dissent more critical than ever[/url]

Quote:
What happens next is not inevitable. It will be determined by Canadian society and by the political decisions that are taken in the weeks and months ahead. We must not succumb to Islamophobia and racism. We need not fall in line with Harper’s war abroad or new restrictions on civil liberties at home.

...

The media has, for the most part, failed to be critical of the Harper government’s militarism. After this week’s crimes, there will be increased pressure to limit critiques of Canadian state violence — whether as part of NATO bombing missions overseas or against Indigenous nations here — in the name of unity. But however united we are in feeling disgust, shock or grief, there can be no unity behind the Harper government, its corporate agenda or its reckless and aggressive foreign policy. Doubling down on this sabre rattling is not our only option. A decade ago, the Spanish people gave us an example of a powerful alternative. After the 2004 Madrid subway attacks and the right-wing government’s clumsy efforts to link them to Basque separatists, millions mobilized in the streets against the government, and then at the ballot box to throw the government out of power.

Contra Harper, now is the time to “commit sociology.” It is also the time to commit criminology, to commit history and of course to commit journalism.

We need dissent, reasoned analysis and critical debate now more than ever. And that is what Ricochet will strive to provide over the coming days. We hope you’ll join us.

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[url=https://ricochet.media/en/134/tragedies-ours-and-theirs]Tragedies, ours and theirs[/url]

Quote:
Canada was not the only country to find its capital under assault on Wednesday. In Cairo, a bomb went off outside the country's largest university, wounding ten people. Similarly, in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi, a blast at a bus station in the town of Azare injured 12 and left at least five people dead — "burnt beyond recognition," according to a police spokesperson.

...

What Wednesday's shooting clearly outlines is the practical problem of the current approach — the one that has us dispensing fighter jets to help participate in a campaign of airstrikes in Iraq and at the same time believing that we can live in some sort of splendid isolation, keeping trouble always an arm's length away. We've learned the predictable lesson that instability anywhere can, and will, lead to instability everywhere. That on its own should be incentive enough for every Canadian to engage with the broader problems of the day.

NorthReport
nicky

An interesting headline from The Guardian:

"Canadian PM hid in store cupboard while gun battle was fought nearby"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/canadian-pm-stephen-harper-...

Webgear

What is the big deal if he did? What would you have done in the same situation?

Unionist

Webgear wrote:

What is the big deal if he did? What would you have done in the same situation?

I woulda whipped out my CF-18 and taken the perp out!

Webgear

Unionist wrote:

Webgear wrote:

What is the big deal if he did? What would you have done in the same situation?

I woulda whipped out my CF-18 and taken the perp out!

Ahahahh. That put a smile on my face.

bekayne

Debater wrote:

Cold Lake's mosque has been vandalized.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0uWMTkCMAAEm1_.jpg

 

Fletcher Kent, Reporter with Global News Edmonton

https://twitter.com/FletcherKent/status/525678920666841088

NDPP

I notice some reports said the shooter used a 'shotgun' while others say a 30.30. I have also read that he was killed by RCMP bullets while most say it was the sergeant at arms' pistol. I have heard it reported both that he was of Algerian or Syrian descent. And that he was refused his passport and also that the application was still pending.  In any case it is obvious  he probably didn't have any idea where people were in the building or any clear planning to get at them, otherwise we might have had some dead pols.

If the dead guy was really a 'terrorist', instead of just a somewhat damaged and deranged petty criminal living in a shelter and obsessing about getting a passport and flying to Turkey to join ISIS and fight in Syria, it would seem to have been a somewhat mickey-mouse operation - rather a la Toronto 18.  Or perhaps, the perfect patsy for a typically Canadian 'false flag'. The tragic shooting of the reservist at the war memorial is also a tailor-made setup for Harper to rally the nation on Remembrance Day. We will see...

Some other interesting aspects of the case here:

 

Government Poses Anti-Constitutional Surveillance Law During Ottawa Shooting

http://freethepresscanada.org/2014/10/23/government-passes-anti-constitu...

"While Canadian news personalities were at police gunpoint, American outlets like CBS News and the Associated Press had a full story to sell, complete with the dead shooter's name..."

 

NDPP

The Center For Israel and Jewish Affairs [even some Canadian affairs too, hence Sheila Copps, Lorne Nystrom and Stockwell Day on their BoD...]

FM Liberman on Terror Attacks

http://www.cija.ca/israeli-politics/israeli-foreign-affairs/fm-liberman-...

"...We stand alongside our friends in Canada, who have demonstrated by their firm stand alongside Israel - and again recently in joining the war against ISIS, that they will not give in to terror. Israel too, will remain firm in the fight against terror and terrorists."

Debater

Webgear wrote:

What is the big deal if he did? What would you have done in the same situation?

Well, it could be argued that a real leader would not have hidden in a closet.  A real leader would have stood his ground and stayed with his troops (eg. MP's) and not abandoned them.

What would the Conservatives say if Trudeau or Mulcair hid in a closet ?

Harper always portrays himself as a strong, masculine & fearless leader while portraying his opponents as weak, etc.

It seems to me that Harper may be "in over his head".

nicky

For once I agree with Debater.
Mulcair was given the option to be escorted out safely and instead chose to remain with his MPs. Harper hid in a closet.

NDPP

Ottawa Shooting: The Face to Face Encounter That Ended The Attack on Parliament (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-the-face-to-face-encount...

See also sidebar: Public Safety Minister "Steven Blaney On New Powers For Security Agencies..."

jas

There's some good information here, but unfortunately it is being posted in a thread titled "Parliament Hill under attack" which is missing only several exclamation points in its intent to inform.

There is this thread:

http://rabble.ca/babble/national-news/ottawa-shooting-plays-harpers-nati...

MegB

Thanks for the link jas. Closing.

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