The CCF-NDP has only ever lost Vancouver twice in 80 years and in both cases (1974 and 1993)
Which is why Vancouver East is the safest NDP seat in the country. Only Jodie Emery would pose a threat.
Federal NDP Candidates 2015
Fri, 2014-12-12 17:34
#452
Fri, 2014-12-12 17:37
#453
2.Vancouver East has been competitive between the NDP and the Liberals whenever the Liberals do well nationally (except when Libby Davies made it her own in the 2000s.)
Not quite true. Vancouver East went easily NDP even during the Trudeaumania sweep of 1968 and also went easily NDP when Trudeau won his majority in 1980 and also in the face of big Liberal wins in 1997 and 2000 and 2004. The CCF-NDP has only ever lost Vancouver twice in 80 years and in both cases (1974 and 1993) it was in the context of a backlash against an unpopular NDP provincial government. Since there is no Premier Dix right now - that ingredient is missing.
1.Fair point on the NDP government thing. There probably is a correlation.
2.The Liberals were very unpopular in the west in 1980. That said, That said, Art Lee came a decent second.
3.1997 was a narrow Liberal majority.
4.I mentioned the 'Libby Davies' effect in 2000 and 2004.
Fri, 2014-12-12 17:49
#454
Voting patterns can change over time, though. Look at how Mount Royal has unexpectedly become the Conservatives' best seat in Montreal. No one saw that coming until a few years ago because they didn't have that level of support in the Jewish community until Harper came along and became the most pro-Israel PM in history.
Vancouver East has been a stronghold for the NDP during the Libby Davies years, but it might not always be so. Particularly since Mulcair seems to have less appeal in the West than other NDP leaders. The NDP has had poor results in every Western by-election so far under Mulcair, and nearly lost Victoria in 2012 to the Greens.
Fri, 2014-12-12 17:51
#455
Of course anything is possible...after all the NDP lost the equally seemingly safe seat of Winnipeg North just before the orange crush and of course Outremont was supposed to be the "safest Liberal seat in Canada" before Mulcair.
But in general elections seats tend not to swing as wildly as can sometimes be the case in byelections.
Fri, 2014-12-12 17:59
#456
Outremont had not been a Liberal safe seat for years. That was one of the fictions of the Outremont by-election that Mulcair spun to his advantage by portraying it as a big upset when it really wasn't. The seat had gone PC in 1988, and in 2004 & 2006, Jean Lapierre only won it by small margins. NDP strength had been growing there prior to Mulcair's arrival.
Of course most significantly, Mulcair had been a provincial Liberal for years and so he was essentially known as a Liberal, not an NDPer! So it wasn't surprising that a riding that usually voted Liberal voted for someone who had always run as a Quebec Liberal before!
Fri, 2014-12-12 18:08
#457
AdamT wrote: Arthur Griffiths is an honest and decent person. There is absolutely no need to make classless comments about him here.
Aaah, the question of 'class' - yes, that indeed is one of the defining differences between Liberals and NDPers, my friend.
Libs like to put rich people in charge of the Canadian Gov't and economy while assuring ordinary citizens that Canada is indeed a 'classless' society.
NDPers know class when we see it. And it is all around us, every waking hour of the day. And we want to change it.
Fri, 2014-12-12 18:09
#458
Voting patterns can change over time, though. Look at how Mount Royal has unexpectedly become the Conservatives' best seat in Montreal. No one saw that coming until a few years ago because they didn't have that level of support in the Jewish community until Harper came along and became the most pro-Israel PM in history.
Vancouver East has been a stronghold for the NDP during the Libby Davies years, but it might not always be so. Particularly since Mulcair seems to have less appeal in the West than other NDP leaders. The NDP has had poor results in every Western by-election so far under Mulcair, and nearly lost Victoria in 2012 to the Greens.
The Victoria result had a lot more to do with the strength of the Green Party in Southern Vancouver Island (and increasingly all of Vancouver Island) than any weakness on the part of the NDP.
As to the NDP nomination, I wonder if former Parks Board Commissioner Sarah Blyth lives in Vancouver East.
Fri, 2014-12-12 18:14
#459
Debater wrote: Of course most significantly, Mulcair had been a provincial Liberal for years and so he was essentially known as a Liberal, not an NDPer! So it wasn't surprising that a riding that usually voted Liberal voted for someone who had always run as a Quebec Liberal before!
Just for the record, Mulcair's time as an MNA in Quebec was representing the Laval riding of Chomedy. A world away from Outremont as any Montrealer would know. Rest assured that the good citizens of Outremont knew they were voting New Democrat when they elected and re-elected and re-re-elected Mulcair.
Fri, 2014-12-12 18:26
#460
Add my voice to the chorus of those who will miss Libby Davies and who wish her well in her future endeavours.
[url=http://bc.ctvnews.ca/6-term-vancouver-mp-libby-davies-won-t-run-in-2015-... on Libby's departure:[/url]
Soon after the announcement, federal NDP Leader Tom Mulcair wished her the best.“Libby is not only a wonderful and dedicated colleague, she is a cherished friend,” he tweeted. “I wish her the very best in her life after politics.”
Fri, 2014-12-12 19:00
#461
Debater wrote: Of course most significantly, Mulcair had been a provincial Liberal for years and so he was essentially known as a Liberal, not an NDPer! So it wasn't surprising that a riding that usually voted Liberal voted for someone who had always run as a Quebec Liberal before!
Just for the record, Mulcair's time as an MNA in Quebec was representing the Laval riding of Chomedy. A world away from Outremont as any Montrealer would know. Rest assured that the good citizens of Outremont knew they were voting New Democrat when they elected and re-elected and re-re-elected Mulcair.
I know where the ridings are, thanks. I know Montreal very well. I've been spending time there for over 30 years. Outremont may be in a different part of Montréal, but that's irrelevant to the by-election situation. (Btw, Mulcair has never lived in Outremont - he lives in Beaconsfield, in Lac. St. Louis).
My point is that Mulcair was a provincial LIBERAL and a member of a LIBERAL government and a LIBERAL cabinet minister. So it was not hard for him to run in what was usually a LIBERAL riding. He was not really running as an NDPer, since everthing he had established up until that point was as a result of his LIBERAL background.
Mulcair also had the advantage of running against a weak opponent like Joycelon Coulon who had no political experience and who had alienated some of the Jewish community. What's interesting is that the following year when actor Sebastien Dhavernas was the Liberal candidate, he gave Mulcair a much closer run. Mulcair's margin of victory dropped substantially from the by-election. Had the Liberals run a more assertive campaign against Mulcair, or if Martin Cauchon had run, Mulcair probably would have been beaten. Mulcair is very lucky that Stephane Dion bungled that one.
Fri, 2014-12-12 19:04
#462
The Victoria result had a lot more to do with the strength of the Green Party in Southern Vancouver Island (and increasingly all of Vancouver Island) than any weakness on the part of the NDP.
What explains the NDP drop in all of the other Western by-elections under Mulcair's leadership?
Calgary Centre (NDP dropped to 4th)
Brandon-Souris (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Provencher (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Macleod (NDP dropped to 5th)
Fort McMurray-Athabasca (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Yellowhead (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Fri, 2014-12-12 19:10
#463
Ooooh. Debater is back on his "Mulcair was once a provincial Liberal" rant.....
Must be an even-numbered day of the month.
Let me check the calendar.
So it is... the 12th of December.
OK. Well, can hardly wait for the 14th .... when Debater will REVEAL TO AN AMAZED WORLD that "Mulcair was once a provincial Liberal and indeed a Liberal cabinet minister".
Stay tuned, everyone.
BTW, anyone here have the energy to fill all the odd-numbered days with reminders that Justin Trudeau was a SURFBOARD INSTRUCTOR?
Didn't think so.
Fri, 2014-12-12 19:16
#464
How is it a rant to point out that Mulcair used to be a provincial Quebec Liberal? It's a valid point. And it's one of the things that is causing him so much trouble winning support outside Quebec.
Btw, do you have any comments to make on the list of Western Canada ridings above that have shown an NDP drop under Mulcair? 7 Western Canada ridings have seen drops in NDP support now since Mulcair became NDP leader. What is behind that? It would be interesting to figure out in time for 2015.
Fri, 2014-12-12 19:26
#465
Voting patterns can change over time, though. Look at how Mount Royal has unexpectedly become the Conservatives' best seat in Montreal. No one saw that coming until a few years ago because they didn't have that level of support in the Jewish community until Harper came along and became the most pro-Israel PM in history.
Vancouver East has been a stronghold for the NDP during the Libby Davies years, but it might not always be so. Particularly since Mulcair seems to have less appeal in the West than other NDP leaders. The NDP has had poor results in every Western by-election so far under Mulcair, and nearly lost Victoria in 2012 to the Greens.
The Victoria result had a lot more to do with the strength of the Green Party in Southern Vancouver Island (and increasingly all of Vancouver Island) than any weakness on the part of the NDP.
As to the NDP nomination, I wonder if former Parks Board Commissioner Sarah Blyth lives in Vancouver East.
Not sure if Blyth lives in Vancouver East, but the remour is she did refuse the Liberals when they approached her to run against Davies in Van East.
Fri, 2014-12-12 19:38
#466
If the Libs don't choose Jodie Emery, they will lose Vancouver East to the NDP.
Uh, actually, it'll more likely take a Vancouver "Adam Vaughan" figure. And Jodie Emery is more a "Sarah Thomson" than an "Adam Vaughan" figure.
Fri, 2014-12-12 19:40
#467
and Emery is a both a former provincial Green Party nominee and allegedly an Ayn Rand devotee. Anybody who takes Ayn Rand seriously is clearly too stupid to be involved in anything.
Well, she and Marc suit each other, judging from his background as co-founder of this entity
Fri, 2014-12-12 20:03
#468
Catchfire
There is no way the NDP will lose Vancouver East. The NDP will field a legitimate star candidate. I've already heard Jenny Kwan, Ben West, Shane Simpson, Sarah Blyth, Patti Bacchus, Raymond Louie, Ellen Woodsworth and Adrian Dix! The best Liberal candidate so far is Jodi Emery, who, I'll repeat, I pray will win the nomination. Oh man, that would be hilarious. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go and watch Citizen Marc right away. There is no machine, however red, that could make up the difference in that riding right now.
Jodi Emery winning in Van East. It is to laugh.
ETA. Blyth doesn't live in Van East. She ran and lost for the NDP nomination in Vancouver Centre, where she does live. But that shouldn't preclude her for running if she wants it. Out of the names mentioned, she's my current fave.
Fri, 2014-12-12 20:33
#469
There is no way the NDP will lose Vancouver East. The NDP will field a legitimate star candidate. I've already heard Jenny Kwan, Ben West, Shane Simpson, Sarah Blyth, Patti Bacchus, Raymond Louie, Ellen Woodsworth and Adrian Dix! The best Liberal candidate so far is Jodi Emery, who, I'll repeat, I pray will win the nomination. Oh man, that would be hilarious. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go and watch Citizen Marc right away. There is no machine, however red, that could make up the difference in that riding right now.
Jodi Emery winning in Van East. It is to laugh.
ETA. Blyth doesn't live in Van East. She ran and lost for the NDP nomination in Vancouver Centre, where she does live. But that shouldn't preclude her for running if she wants it. Out of the names mentioned, she's my current fave.
Jodie Emery said herself that she wouldn't win the riding. That is why she would choose to run there if she could. There are ridings in which all the parties know they won't win. They are good ridings to run in for candidates who just want a platform to promote a particular cause.
Fri, 2014-12-12 21:48
#470
There is no way the NDP will lose Vancouver East. The NDP will field a legitimate star candidate. I've already heard Jenny Kwan, Ben West, Shane Simpson, Sarah Blyth, Patti Bacchus, Raymond Louie, Ellen Woodsworth and Adrian Dix!
Of course, Vancouver East is slam dunk NDP territory. Wouldn't be surprised if a current provincial BC NDP MLA steps into the ring.
Patti Bacchus' interests have always been education-focused. Federal might not be a good fit. And she lives in West Point Grey near UBC to boot.
Raymond Louie is doubtful. Was reported that Louie attended several fed Lib events in Vancouver with Iggy back in 2011. Louie even endorsed then Lib MP Ujjal Dosanjh in Van South back in 2011 as well. Earlier this year, Louie also gave a silly glowing tribute to Trudeau in the Van Sun about his policies vis-a-vis cities. Mark him in the fed Lib camp.
Again, still see a current Van East BC NDP MLA stepping into the ring. Who that is - time will tell.
Fri, 2014-12-12 22:42
#471
Justin Trudeau is not stupid - it's because the NDP keeps underestimating him that he's been beating Mulcair so handily for the past 2 years. He is very smart at politics in many ways.
Justin Trudeau is stupid; that is clear every time he opens his mouth. That does not mean he can't win elections; only that he probably shouldn't.
In the United States, their recent hereditary President, George W. Bush, was also stupid - that did not stop him from winning 2 elections.
Fri, 2014-12-12 23:42
#472
There is no way the NDP will lose Vancouver East. The NDP will field a legitimate star candidate. I've already heard Jenny Kwan, Ben West, Shane Simpson, Sarah Blyth, Patti Bacchus, Raymond Louie, Ellen Woodsworth and Adrian Dix! The best Liberal candidate so far is Jodi Emery, who, I'll repeat, I pray will win the nomination. Oh man, that would be hilarious. Anyone who thinks otherwise should go and watch Citizen Marc right away. There is no machine, however red, that could make up the difference in that riding right now.
Jodi Emery winning in Van East. It is to laugh.
ETA. Blyth doesn't live in Van East. She ran and lost for the NDP nomination in Vancouver Centre, where she does live. But that shouldn't preclude her for running if she wants it. Out of the names mentioned, she's my current fave.
1,Shane Simpson and Adrian Dix running federally would both be a major loss for the provincial NDP, so I hope they don't run. With the way Christy Clark is running things, the NDP should finally win the next election, especially with Horgan as leader. Given Simpson's background he would make an excellent minister of economic development and Dix could be minister of energy, mines and petroleum resources with responsibility for B.C Hydro.
2.Raymond Louie running would be a major loss for Vision Vancouver so I hope he doesn't run.
3.Actually Sarah Blyth lost the nomination in Vancouver-Quadra because, as she explained, she was a last minute candidate and didn't sign up many members.
Fri, 2014-12-12 23:57
#473
What's Joy McPhail up to these days?
Sat, 2014-12-13 00:11
#474
2011 results, by election results
Calgary Centre 14.86% 3.85%
Brandon-Souris 25.18% 7.22%
Provencher 17.89% 8.22%
Macleod 10.33% 4.22%
Fort McMurray-Athabasca 13.24% 11.48%
Yellowhead 13.06% 9.55%
Yes, those are declines.
Sat, 2014-12-13 00:13
#475
What's Joy McPhail up to these days?
She's the Chair of OutTv.
Sat, 2014-12-13 01:36
#476
Justin Trudeau is not stupid - it's because the NDP keeps underestimating him that he's been beating Mulcair so handily for the past 2 years. He is very smart at politics in many ways.
Justin Trudeau is stupid; that is clear every time he opens his mouth. That does not mean he can't win elections; only that he probably shouldn't.
In the United States, their recent hereditary President, George W. Bush, was also stupid - that did not stop him from winning 2 elections.
George W. Bush actually stole one of his elections -- Justin Trudeau legitimately won all of his.
And it's Tom Mulcair who is the hapless one when it comes to electoral politics.
Sat, 2014-12-13 01:47
#477
Of course Debater, that is why he rose from a backbench MLA in the Quebec Liberal Party, jumped ship to the Federal NDP when it was polling in single digits in Quebec, rose to become the deputy leader of that party, helped engineer a massive wave of support for that party, and then ran against the party establishment candidate for the leadership, won, thus becoming the leader of the official opposition in less than ten years.
Totally hapless, with no political instincts whatsoever. That is Thomas Mulcair.
Sat, 2014-12-13 04:13
#478
"George W. Bush actually stole one of his elections -- Justin Trudeau legitimately won all of his."
Tell that to all those cheated out of a nomination wheather that is true.
As for Mulcair I'll add he was the most successful enviromental minister in North American history as well.
Mulcair has made a political career out of doing the things othera say are impossible.
Sat, 2014-12-13 08:33
#479
and Emery is a both a former provincial Green Party nominee and allegedly an Ayn Rand devotee. Anybody who takes Ayn Rand seriously is clearly too stupid to be involved in anything.
Well, she and Marc suit each other, judging from his background as co-founder of this entity
The Emerys sound too conservative for the Conservatives.
Sat, 2014-12-13 10:47
#480
Jodi Emery winning in Van East. It is to laugh.
She would be the Libs best shot at taking the riding. Parachuting in elitist, out of touch Joanne Griffith would do nothing for the Liberals. If Griffiths were the nominee, they might as well pack up and go home.
Jodie Emery said herself that she wouldn't win the riding.
In fairness she said that under the assumption that Libby was running against her.
If the Libs don't choose Jodie Emery, they will lose Vancouver East to the NDP.
Uh, actually, it'll more likely take a Vancouver "Adam Vaughan" figure. And Jodie Emery is more a "Sarah Thomson" than an "Adam Vaughan" figure.
All I'm saying is Jodie has a better shot at taking the riding over Joanne Griffiths, who would do nothing to garner support in that riding,
And Sarah Thomson came within 3% of taking the riding iin Trinity-Spadina (in the 2011 provincial election)
Joanne Griffiths would never get that close to winning. But Jodie Emery would.
BTW Meena Wong campaign office for Mayor is located in Vancouver East, and almost four weeks after the election, it is still open.
Maybe she had a heads-up from Libby about her retirement.
Sat, 2014-12-13 12:37
#481
Every now and again I hear little "Libertarian" themes in Trudeau's pitter-patter.
Sat, 2014-12-13 12:58
#482
Uh, actually, it'll more likely take a Vancouver "Adam Vaughan" figure. And Jodie Emery is more a "Sarah Thomson" than an "Adam Vaughan" figure.
All I'm saying is Jodie has a better shot at taking the riding over Joanne Griffiths, who would do nothing to garner support in that riding,
And Sarah Thomson came within 3% of taking the riding iin Trinity-Spadina (in the 2011 provincial election)
Joanne Griffiths would never get that close to winning. But Jodie Emery would.
Keep in mind, though, that that was still 2011-mode Sarah Thomson, pre-dreads, pre-"keeping it real", pre-front-yard-sign-spamming (using 2011's leftovers, of course) 9.5%-vs-Joe-Cressy's-42% joke. (Plus, T-S would be more akin to Vancouver East if the latter's boundaries extended inward to encompass a good chunk of False Creek condoland.)
If you *really* want the Big Kahuna of Adam Vaughan equivalents, maybe Gregor Robertson should have foregone Mayoral reelection on behalf of "doing a Dosanjih".
Sat, 2014-12-13 12:59
#483
2011 results, by election results
Calgary Centre 14.86% 3.85%
Brandon-Souris 25.18% 7.22%
Provencher 17.89% 8.22%
Macleod 10.33% 4.22%
Fort McMurray-Athabasca 13.24% 11.48%
Yellowhead 13.06% 9.55%
Yes, those are declines.
Notice the relative shallowness of the latter two, though--token Rachel Notley honeymoon spillover?
Sat, 2014-12-13 13:10
#484
BTW Meena Wong campaign office for Mayor is located in Vancouver East, and almost four weeks after the election, it is still open.
Maybe she had a heads-up from Libby about her retirement.
Meena Wong has run in Vancouver South in the past, and I believe she has also participated in BCNDP nomination battles on the south end of the city both as a candidate and to oppose people such as George Chow. I don't know what neighbourhood she actually lives in, but if her political history is more linked with the south end of the city it might not ring true for her to run in Vancouver East when there are people with more direct community roots in the area.
That being said, it's not like the eastside has had any significant open-seat nominations at either level in the past while, so it's not unthinkable that people who would otherwise have wanted to run in an East Van riding have shifted to somewhere else in the city without an incumbent. For example David Eby running in Point Grey.
Sat, 2014-12-13 13:28
#485
Not sure where this should be posted since we don't have a Green Candidates thread, but Alice Funke reports that Bruce Hyer is being nominated as Green candidate today for Thunder Bay-Superior North. I'll post it here since he used to be an NDP MP.
Sat, 2014-12-13 14:14
#486
I doubt whether Hyer will be much of a factor running as a Green. In 2011 the Greens polled only 3% in his riding.
Even after his defection the Greens took only 3.6% in the provincial election so it doesn't seem like he is building the local party.
Hyer also ran on a platform in 2011 which entailed MPs having to run in a by-election if they crossed the floor. His hypocrisy can't impress too many of his constituents.
Sat, 2014-12-13 14:18
#487
Catchfire
Bruce Hyer, the one that got away, eh Debater?
I don't want to entertain the farce of Jodi Emery as a credible candidate anymore, but, if you don't think she is "elitist," "out of touch" and any other of the words you used to describe Griffiths (who, I agree, would also lose), I start to wonder whether we are talking about the same Jodi Emery.
Sat, 2014-12-13 14:51
#488
Alice Funke says that it could be a 4-way race, with whoever wins being the one who benefits from the split the most.
It can't be assumed that Bruce Hyer will only get 3% of the vote. He's an incumbent MP and will get volunteers and resources from Liz May, so he will have the opportunity to do better than Green candidates up there have done in the past.
The Liberals have had a candidate in place for some time (Patty Hajdu) and intend to run a better campaign there under Trudeau than was the case in recent elections.
The NDP will obviously want to stop the Greens or someone else from poaching the riding and will presumably get a candidate in place in 2015.
The Cons will want to get in on the action at some point too and hope to benefit from the division in the vote.
Sat, 2014-12-13 18:08
#489
He's an incumbent MP and will get volunteers and resources from Liz May,
That might be possible if he was running in a riding next door to May's Saanich seat or if he was running in a city like Toronto or Vancouver where there is some sort of critivcal mass of Green members who can all go to one riding...but he's in Thunder Bay - part of the world where the Green "brand" is a hard sell to say the least and where there is no concentration of Greens...what's May supposed to do to send him volunteers? charter a plane and ship dozens of tree huggers up to Thunder Bay? I'm sure Hyer will do better than a no-name Green would do in that riding but i suspect he will be lucky to get over 10% and save his deposit
Sat, 2014-12-13 18:35
#490
I have heard from someone who purports to know that May has pressured Hyer into running again because she thinks that with two incumbent MPs she will be in a better postion to get into the leaders debate. No one thinks Hyer has a chance to win.
Sat, 2014-12-13 18:56
#491
I thought May was pretty much guaranteed to be in the next leader's debate now that she has her own seat, or at least that's what Peter Mansbridge said a while back. The Broadcast Consortium's rules for Leader's Debates seem a bit vague, so who knows.
So Hyer wants to run again even though he's going to get clobbered? Did he agree to be a fall guy for Liz May just as a favour? Doesn't sound like a lot of fun, but he doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb in some ways. Even voted with Harper & the Conservatives on the ISIS mission last month.
Kind of embarassing for the Green Party to have 50% of its caucus voting in favour of Harper's ISIS mission.
Sat, 2014-12-13 19:04
#492
Kathleen Jodouin nominated tonight as NDP candidate for Nipissing-Timiskaming
(In 2011, the CPC's Jay Aspin beat LPC MP Anthony Rota by only 18 votes. Rota is running again in 2015, so I'm hoping he takes back the seat from the Cons, but we'll see how it goes).
Sat, 2014-12-13 19:22
#493
The Victoria result had a lot more to do with the strength of the Green Party in Southern Vancouver Island (and increasingly all of Vancouver Island) than any weakness on the part of the NDP.
What explains the NDP drop in all of the other Western by-elections under Mulcair's leadership?
Calgary Centre (NDP dropped to 4th)
Brandon-Souris (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Provencher (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Macleod (NDP dropped to 5th)
Fort McMurray-Athabasca (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Yellowhead (NDP dropped to 3rd)
The crappy performance of the provincial parties.
Sat, 2014-12-13 19:30
#494
I'll add a variety of local circumstances.
Sat, 2014-12-13 20:18
#495
May is not guaranteed a seat at the leaders debate.
There was considerable discussion on Babble about this after the fromation of the Force and Democracy party. With 2 MPs running again it would be on eaqual footing with the Bloc and Greens leading aruably to a 6 leader debate.
There has been much speculation that in order to make the debate meaningful all three of the micro-parties should be excluded.
Sat, 2014-12-13 20:19
#496
May is not guaranteed a seat at the leaders debate.
There was considerable discussion on Babble about this after the formation of the Force and Democracy Party. With 2 MPs running again it would be on equal footing with the Bloc and Greens leading aruably to a 6 leader debate.
There has been much speculation that in order to make the debate meaningful all three of the micro-parties should be excluded.
Sat, 2014-12-13 20:39
#497
Well, it's official tonight:
Hyer wins Green Party nomination to seek re-election in Thunder Bay-Superior North
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/News/365783/Hyer_wins_Green_Party_nomination_...
Sun, 2014-12-14 07:41
#498
What explains the NDP drop in all of the other Western by-elections under Mulcair's leadership?
Calgary Centre (NDP dropped to 4th)
Brandon-Souris (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Provencher (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Macleod (NDP dropped to 5th)
Fort McMurray-Athabasca (NDP dropped to 3rd)
Yellowhead (NDP dropped to 3rd)
The crappy performance of the provincial parties.
*At large*; but allow me to requote myself...
Notice the relative shallowness of the latter two, though--token Rachel Notley honeymoon spillover?
The "at large" also explains why, in 1993, there was less NDP shortfall in Sask than in the other provinces.
Sun, 2014-12-14 09:27
#499
Well, it's official tonight:
Hyer wins Green Party nomination to seek re-election in Thunder Bay-Superior North
http://www.tbnewswatch.com/News/365783/Hyer_wins_Green_Party_nomination_...
So can we say the greens are vote splitting the left the way the liberals always claim the NDP do?
Sun, 2014-12-14 11:20
#500
So can we say the greens are vote splitting the left the way the liberals always claim the NDP do?
Given Bruce Hyer's love for guns and for bombing people in Iraq and Syria, I'd say he'll be splitting the right-wing vote. Go Bruce!!!
Sun, 2014-12-14 15:03
#501
Any word on NDP nominees for Hamilton Mountain now that Charlton is out?