American Islamophobia

Yes but the Islamaphobia manufactures public consent for the wars.

What would the reaction be among anti-western Muslims if they knew that Usamah bin Laden was not killed a few days ago? What if they knew he is alive and being tortured for information after which he would be killed days or months later? 

I think Usamah is alive and being tortured a little while before an unofficial execution takes place. No one could prove otherwise. The US Military Government does not operate on the basis of transparency or accountability to the public. 

al-Qa'bong wrote:

I don't disagree; your point seems fairly obvious.  I'm just saying that these Islamophobes are tapping into a long-standing and possibly deeply-held prejudice in our western culture.  It's the same type of deeply-rooted prejudice that Hitler used against the Jews.

Yes, first we killed the Aboriginals, and then we killed everyone else and now it is the Arabs turn.

NDPP, you've been warned repeatedly about posting anti-Semitic material on this site. That includes any articles which speculate or imply that Zionist Jews control the American media. I've removed your post and the follow up posts, which will be my practice from now on should you continue to accidentally post anti-Semitic material. If it becomes to look less like an accident, you will no longer be given the benefit of the doubt.

Catchfire wrote:

NDPP, you've been warned repeatedly about posting anti-Semitic material on this site. That includes any articles which speculate or imply that Zionist Jews control the American media. I've removed your post and the follow up posts, which will be my practice from now on should you continue to accidentally post anti-Semitic material. If it becomes to look less like an accident, you will no longer be given the benefit of the doubt.

The posting was entirely legitimate and should not have been removed.

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

I missed the whole "Zionist Jews control the American media" thing... I must have been laughing too hard at his 9-11 conspiricy stuff.

Elvis bin Laden denied any and all involvement in the 9/11 inside job.

And as a result of the incredulous 9/11 Commission cover-up, somewhere less than half the people surveyed around the world believe "Al-Qaeda" was responsible.

The commision's slip-shod report missing important facts and eye witness accounts has been compared to the allied forces allowing the former Nazis to conduct the Nuremberg trials. Not only were they not going to find themelves guilty, none of themselves were even held accountable.  And that's because they were planning to frame-up their own anti-communist jihadi mercenaries criss-crossing in and out of the U.S. with impunity since the 1980's.

If you are a proven anti-communist, then you are welcomed with open arms policies in the USA. Just ask Louis Posada Carriles and a parade of anti-Cuban terrorists provided sanctuary in America long time.

British SAS and the Navy Seals should storm the beaches of Florida and California because they would find terrorists and former Latin American dictators aplenty.

Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds says King of the Madrasas has been taking over U.S. taxpayer-funded charter schools.

The U.S. Government loves militant Islam in schools and scaring hell out of Americans and especially so since 9/11.

We should all be more like Uncle Sam and his puppets in Ottawa - we should embrace militant Islam with both arms and love it all the time.

The whole problem started when the Soviets ceded the cold war. It was like being stabbed in the backs for our cold warriors and the bipartisan war parties. They needed a new and legitimate enemy to justify trillion-dollar coporate welfare handouts to a few thousand private military contractors every year on-time, and so they created "Al Qa'eda", the invisible army of darkness which doth not now nor hath it ever existed.

Obama campaign brags about its whistleblower persecutions(September)

Glenn Greenwald wrote:

Leave aside that this is a total nonsequitur: the fact that Obama has persecuted whistleblowers hardly negates, or even pertains to, the charge that he has leaked classified information when doing so benefits him politically. Indeed, that's precisely what makes his behavior so pernicious: that his administration exploits secrecy laws to punish those who expose high-level wrongdoing while leaking at will for political gain.

And it all began well before the infamous Reichstag fire on 9/11/01 leading to herr Bushler's enabling act and attacks on American civil liberties. Bill Clinton's pro KLA/pro Qaeda regime was insisting on wiretap provisioning for all telecommunications equipment manufactured in the U.S. and Canada as early as the 1990's and on the quiet. The military dictatorship running America has been spying on the lives of millions of Americans for a long time while, and at the same time, allowing known anti-communist terrorists and Saudi, Pakistani and Egyptian  mercenaries for-hire to criss-cross in and out of the USA at will and with impunity for many years before 9/11/01.

The 9/11 hijackers and terrorists were all trained in America and Europe by the U.S. Military, British SAS, German BND and so on. It's enough to make Americans sick to their stomachs if only they knew. How the U.S. Military regime protected Mohammed Atta

We can only presume that the morans in charge love militant Islam. Best friends forever!

Iran Leader Message Compliments Imam Khomeini's Letter to Gorbachev

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/02/05/396337/Leader-message-complemen...

"Veteran Iranian politician Mohammed Javad Larijani says a message by Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khameini addressed to the Western youth, complements a 1989 letter written by late Imam Khomeini to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

'We are not calling to the Westerners to convert to Islam. We just want them to compare Islam with their self-proclaimed secular-liberal religion regardless of propaganda,' said Larijanie..."

While I don't particularly like the term "Islamophobia" for bigotry against Muslims (or against people presumed to be Muslims), it does seem to fit the bill in this racist triple murder: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chapel-hill-shooting-cr...

If the murderous arsehole just had an animus towards "theists", there was certainly no shortage of Christian churches in his part of the world.

lagatta wrote:

While I don't particularly like the term "Islamophobia" for bigotry against Muslims (or against people presumed to be Muslims), it does seem to fit the bill in this racist triple murder: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chapel-hill-shooting-cr...

If the murderous arsehole just had an animus towards "theists", there was certainly no shortage of Christian churches in his part of the world.

Fox "news" might as well have pulled the trigger.  Their nearly daily dose of anti-Muslim diatribe and fear mongering makes them today's Der Sturmer.

And it's your opinion that it's my opinion.  And, to be fair, my opinion that it's your opinion that it's my opinion.

Glad we can be transparent about this. 

bagkitty, can I be the antipope? (or antipapess). We need a Great Schism.

Secular religion is at most a metaphor. And secular doesn't even necessarily mean atheist. It refers to the strict separation of religious authority (often called "Church" in predominantly Christian societies) and government, or state, and the neutrality of the state.

I don't think the "excesses" of secularism derive from secularism at all, but from authoritarianism. Stalinism, of course (and the extreme of Albania's outlawing of religion), but also the way secularism and modernization was enforced, for examply in Turkey. Though modernization has been enforced elsewhere, without secularism, as in Russia under Peter the Great.

And I do favour a type of secular charter here in Québec, but such a charter would have to attack the privileges of the Catholic Church (and of established Protestant ones) first and foremost. Such as removing the crucifix from the National Assembly, but more important, no funding of any private schools, including religion-based schools.

Mr. Magoo wrote:

"All we're saying is give superstitious magic a chance!"

{quote]We just want them to compare Islam with their self-proclaimed secular-liberal religion

A secular religion is like a "vegan" meatball.  Which is to say, just sillytalk.

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Sorry Magoo but Vegan Meatballs

Any thread started by al-Qa'bong is, well, a chance for me to stick my Kilroyian nose in here.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

It's deliberate hyperbolae Magoo, I figured it was obvious. Perhaps you aren't among the worshippers; me neither. My comment was directed at the many who are.

My point, there are cults and religions among the non-superstitious. But as I said, I was hoping to not revisit that perennial squabble in this thread. It is a bit too far off from this important  topic.

Any new terrorism measures?

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Er, Ok.  You feel there are people who "worship" evidence?

Them that think because they don't believe in a god that they have a monopoly on rational thinking, actually, but are in fact just as blind and zealous as any true believer.  But again, if we really want to talk about that let's take it elsewhere. Or not.

We all are complicit where this world takes us.

And of course it also shows that people who have been racialized themselves can treat other groups in the same manner. Sad.

Revolution, my reference was to Charlie Hebdo. I meant the fact that I'm an atheist does not associate me with that bastard. Of course no man (or woman) is an island and there are social, cultural and political reasons why people go off the rails like that.

6079_Smith_W wrote:

but if anyone thinks there aren't cult and control equivalents in non-religious thinking, they might want to look a bit more at the evidence they claim to worship. 

If I subscribe to a system of non-belief in superstition, wherein the believers of superstition are to be judged and cast down into some fiery pit, or maybe confined behind barbed wire, then there could be some merit in your attempt at equivalency.  I don't know that there has ever been such a system, cult or following devised for the sake of non-belief.

Not that old discredited canard.  You might as well toss in Hitler and Stalin while you're at it wz.  No one has ever said that they were going to build their atheist society atop of mountains of skulls, and proceed accordingly.  A-theism might have been useful in weaning people of superstition and onto whatever new state religion was being implemented, such as various extreme versions of communism or the cult of individuals like Stalin, Hitler, Pot, etc.  The cause was always something else, not in the name of secularism.