"So who didn't see this coming besides the morons in Washington DC?"
Bec De Corbin, March 15, 2011 - 8:11 am
"Yes, as do many people, I'd like to see the rebels win on their own accord (that's what I'm hoping for). If people in the international community want to show their support for the rebels by giving them weapons and supplies I'm good with that as well..."
NDPP quotes Murray Dobbin above: "One of the darkest and most shameful chapters in Western military intervention continues to play out in spades in Libya. But we hear nothing from the international choir, led here by Lloyd Axworthy, which sung the 'responsibility to protect' (R2P) hymn at the top of their lungs two years ago..."
Just a sec, - lets take a quick look at some stats here:
Number of fatalities in Libyan conflict (with R2P intervention): estimated at below 10,000
Number of fatlities in Syrian conflict (without R2P intervention): estimated at above 100,000
What too many folks refuse to recognize (on multiple sides of the political spectrum) is that R2P is all about the humanitarian obligation to save and protect lives. Its not about the politics that precede or follow the conflict, - there are other international protocoles and processes at work (or not) for those issues. So perhaps its not so surprising that the proponents of R2P haven't apologised for the Libyan engagement.
Did the Libyan intervention over-reach its humanitarian mandate? Absolutely. And NATO's pursuit of regime change in Libya has now rendered R2P practially impossible to invoke in other cases of humanitarian conflict and crisis. The great losers as a result are clearly the people of Syria who continue to die every day in the hundreds as the world looks on.
Hardly a reason to celebrate, I would have thought. But R2P critics have their very particular political axes to grind. Indeed, their view of the world (in which the rights of states and politicians trump those of ordinary citizens) is much closer to that of NATO commanders than they probably care to admit.
Sherpa-finn wrote : “ But R2P critics have their very particular political axes to grind. Indeed, their view of the world (in which the rights of states and politicians trump those of ordinary citizens) is much closer to that of NATO commanders than they probably care to admit.”
Does R2P not posit that the rights of WESTERN states and politicians trump those of non-Western/Third World/Asian-African ? The Ordinary Citizens are, as in the days of the White Man’s Burden, a pretext for “Do-gooders”, usually sincere (self-deluded) who need to “Do-something” often to “gain salvation” which is so important to the Westerner. It is mildly racist and certainly paternalistic. It neglects the complexity and history of other non-Western (Oriental) situations.
Mandela certainly was no fan of R2P and criticized the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and Libya.
Number of fatalities from Western sanctions on Iraq over 500,000
Number of fatalities from Western sanctions on Iran ??
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"So who didn't see this coming besides the morons in Washington DC?"
Bec De Corbin, March 15, 2011 - 8:11 am
"Yes, as do many people, I'd like to see the rebels win on their own accord (that's what I'm hoping for). If people in the international community want to show their support for the rebels by giving them weapons and supplies I'm good with that as well..."
Good one, NDPP!
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NDPP quotes Murray Dobbin above: "One of the darkest and most shameful chapters in Western military intervention continues to play out in spades in Libya. But we hear nothing from the international choir, led here by Lloyd Axworthy, which sung the 'responsibility to protect' (R2P) hymn at the top of their lungs two years ago..."
Just a sec, - lets take a quick look at some stats here:
Number of fatalities in Libyan conflict (with R2P intervention): estimated at below 10,000
Number of fatlities in Syrian conflict (without R2P intervention): estimated at above 100,000
... R2P is all about the humanitarian obligation to save and protect lives. Its not about the politics that precede or follow the conflict, - there are other international protocoles and processes at work (or not) for those issues. So perhaps its not so surprising that the proponents of R2P haven't apologised for the Libyan engagement. ...
"Jus a sec", yourself.
Do you live in a fantasy world of unicorns and pixies?
Your attempt to compartmentalize "R2P" from its direct consequences both during and after the conflict, is bizarre; akin to a doctor who destroys a disease by administering strychnine saying: "I was successful. Now it's the undertaker's problem."
R2P" intervention is as much “about saving lives" as Iraq was "about WMD", (which it now rivals as the favourite fig leaf for naked Western aggression).
I can't go into your un-sourced numbers of fatalities and their fantasy causes in detail, --but a couple of points:
Way back in October 2011:
If the Libyan war was about saving lives, it was a catastrophic failure
Nato claimed it would protect civilians in Libya, but delivered far more killing. It's a warning to the Arab world and Africa
Seumas Milne
The Guardian, Wednesday 26 October 2011 22.20 BST
....
What is now known, however, is that while the death toll in Libya when Nato intervened was perhaps around 1,000-2,000 (judging by UN estimates), eight months later it is probably more than ten times that figure. Estimates of the numbers of dead over the last eight months – as Nato leaders vetoed ceasefires and negotiations – range from 10,000 up to 50,000. The National Transitional Council puts the losses at 30,000 dead and 50,000 wounded....
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/26/libya-war-saving-li...
Since that article this NATO-induced failed state, Libya, has deteriorated further to hell-hole of roving murderous factional militias,, killings, torture and religion inspired atrocities of which there is endless documented proof. None of that interests the Responsible Humanitarian in you,...it's just "politics":
Libyan attack: it should have been clear deposing Gaddafi was the easy bit
The west has once again started a fire it cannot extinguish, with the revolution it fanned in danger of degenerating into chaos....
Effective central control, meanwhile, is largely absent. And into this vacuum have stepped armed groups – whether politically, religiously or financially inspired matters little – all claiming sectional suzerainty over the multitude of fractured fiefdoms that was, until Nato barged in, a unified state....
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/12/libyan-attack-fire-cannot-extinguish
The "Humanitarian Interventionists" and their blind follerers just say ..."Who should we Protect next?"
Which brings us to Syria.
The "R2P" backers of NATO intervention in Syria are, of course, silent on what the ACTUAL attack and results would be for the general population of Syria.
Even though the same NATO players have not formallized a "Humanitarian Intervention" attack, they have very much intervened by way of massive arms and logistiocs both directly and via their Middle East allies to the anti-Assad forces (most powerfully carried by Al Qaida-linked fighters). This is the reason the slaughter continues in Syria and why it is decending into savage anarchy like Libya.
Many revolutionaries who wanted freedom from the oppressive Assad regime are now re-thinking the outcome thanks to the armed “help” from the West, Israel and their Middle East "humanitarians":
To Syria’s Revolutionaries, Assad Isn’t Looking So Bad After All
With their revolution hijacked by Islamists, many Syrian rebels are rethinking their stance against the man they've been trying to overthrow
...
A lot of former activists are now saying to me, ‘When the choice is between Daish and Assad, I am going for Assad,’” says Randa Slim, a Syria expert at the Washington-based Middle East Institute, using the Syrian Arabic word for ISIS. To be sure, not all the rebel groups share the same ideology, but the most effective fighting groups, with their ranks filled by foreign jihadists, funded by private donors in the Gulf and backed by al-Qaeda, are gaining ground. As they grow, they are squeezing out the activists who dreamed of a Syria founded on democratic representation, freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
http://world.time.com/2013/12/09/some-syrian-revolutionaries-choose-assad-over-islamist-rebels/#ixzz2n0SvamGD
The most prominent western "R2P" justification for a more direct attack was Obama's "red line" warning on chemical weapons by Assad (neatly combining both "R2P" and "WMD" hot buttons) made a year before the supposed attack by Assad.
Though the strategic rationality of such an attack by Assad has long been questioned, Seymour Hersh has just published the most extensive examination to date of the White House claims on responsibility:
8 December 2013
Seymour M. Hersh
Whose Sarin?Barack Obama did not tell the whole story this autumn when he tried to make the case that Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack near Damascus on 21 August. attack....
http://www.lrb.co.uk/2013/12/08/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin
Do consequences and reality hold the slightest interest for you ?
"So who didn't see this coming besides the morons in Washington DC?"
Bec De Corbin, March 15, 2011 - 8:11 am
"Yes, as do many people, I'd like to see the rebels win on their own accord (that's what I'm hoping for). If people in the international community want to show their support for the rebels by giving them weapons and supplies I'm good with that as well..."
...Nice, I'm flattered (and a bit creeped out) you took the time to dig this up. Yes I posted that and I stand by it. Nowhere in that message thread do I say or agree the USA should have spent the billions of dollars or intervined on the scale they did in Libya.
The fact that they are voting for that type of law is disappointing but not surprising. But then again its their country and they can do what they want whit it. If you really think about it: if they are doing this they then I doubt they are under the control of the USA or NATO who would oppose such a move and is something you posted hundreds of articles here saying they were (in control).
Thanks for proving yourself wrong.
Protesters & Militias Continue Blockade of Libya's Oil Ports
http://jamahiriyanewsagency.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/protesters-militias...
"Armed protesters failed to lift a months-long blockade of vital oil terminals in eastern Libya. Government troops are outnumbered by various militia groups, who helped topple Gaddafi but have since defied the country's interim rulers."
Q&A: 'Libyan Women Were Handed Over as Spoils of War'
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/20874-qa-libyan-women-were-handed-...
"Unless immediate changes are enforced, Libya is heading towards an 'Afghan' model regarding women's rights, Aicha Almagrabi, a Libyan writer and senior women's rights activist told IPS from her residence in Tripoli.
Changes? Libyan women were handed over as spoils of war.."
Notorious Canadian Lobbyist Signs $2M Contract To Promote Militants Aiming to Divide Country
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/06/notorious-canadian-lobbyist-hire...
"A breakaway militant group looking to form a semi-autonomous state in eastern Libya has hired controversial Montreal-based lobbyist Ari Ben-Menashe to help it achieve international recognition, sell the region's oil and obtain cash for military hardware and training, the National Post has learned.
Born to Jewish parents in Iran and once employed by the Israeli government in what he says was a senior intelligence role...Mr Ben Menashe says his newest clients are led by 31 year old Ibrahim Jadhran, who reportedly helped topple Muammar Gaddafi's longstanding regime in 2011..."
By rights he should share some of the 'winnings' to come with Canada's NATO General, Charles 'the Butcher' Bouchard who did the targeting, and perhaps also the NDP Opposition whose unanimous consent helped make it all possible...
Tribes and Abductions
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/5321/19/Tribes-and-abductions.aspx
"The state of security in post-Gaddafi Libya continues to be grim and deteriorating, writes Kamel Abdallah.
In its recent global report, which appeared at the end of January, Human Rights Watch (HRW) noted that the state of human rights in Libya was worse now than it had been under the Gaddafi regime..."
nevermind Canada has forgotten it all
Gadhafi Son, Aides Risk 'Kangaroo' Justice: Rights Group
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/gaddafi-son-aides-risk-kangaroo-just...
"The prosecution of these men will be no more credible than a kangaroo court if the authorities fail to provide these men with basic due process rights.
HRW called on Libyan authorities to investigate allegations made by Dorda at a court session last month that he had been beaten and wounded [tortured] in his prison cell. 'Under these circumstances, it's hard to imagine how any of these men can have a fair trial in Libya,'..."
re the 100% vote for the Canadian engagement in Libya, with full consensus of the NDP....this is the true nature of the NDP. Hopefully theat decision will some day will destroy their party! A total capitulation to the forces of imperialism and the use of force and the gross violation of international law! So that a true grass roots democratic political movement may give birth!
I posted a topic related to Libya:: Canada votes to freeze ICC funding – Bravo
http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/canada-votes-to-...
The International Criminal Court has a lot of support from much of the Left in Canada.
Many NGO’s support it . I’d like a rebuttal of my posting. Have Babblers forgotten the ICC ?
no rebuttal from me Rikardo
An imperial monstrosity - kangaroo court of the first order and pronounced as such by SCOTUS' Anthony Scalia in a conversation to Kofi Annan about the ICC: 'Ill be damned if I'm going to let my son be dragged before some foreign kangaroo court to face judgement.' And he ought to know a thing or two about kangaroo courts since he helped run one of the world's biggest...
Plurality of Libyans Continue to Think They're Worse Off Now Than Under Gaddafi
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37928.htm
"...only 32 percent believe it is better off."
Thanks again for the 'heavy lifting' Canada...
From Libya to Ukraine - by Renee Parsons
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/27/from-libya-to-ukraine/
"...In considering the US State Department's participation in the Ukraineian coup, it might have surprised some Americans to realize how deeply embedded the State Deprtment was as a behind-the-scenes-player, thoroughly invested in creating a 'spontaneous' rebellion.
Keeping the State Department's Ukrainian role in mind, you might wonder what neo-con favorite Hilary Clinton was doing during her four years as Secretary..."
'we came, we saw, he died!' (laughs) - Hilary Clinton - supported by Canadian pols,( just like Ukraine..)
Coups in the Name of Democracy - by Ramzy Baroud
http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/coups-in-the-name-of-democracy-1...
"...Hafter is not acting alone. He is supported by former Libyan prime minister Ali Zeidan and has strong, rich, Libyan and Arab backers. His long history of relations with the CIA is neither 'misleading' or 'old news' as suggested by the Guardian newspaper.
But will Hafter succeed in becoming the Libyan equivalent of Egypt's Al Sissi?"
Libyan Army General Khalifa Haftar - A CIA Operative: Analyst [Eric Draitser] (and vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/06/09/366288/gen-khalifa-haftar-cia-ma...
"Libyan Army General Khalifa Belqasim Haftar is a CIA agent, an American commentator says..."
Libya: US, NATO and the Destruction of Libya - the Western Front of a Widening War
http://allafrica.com/stories/201408211204.html
"NATO claims that its intervention in Libya was a historic success. But three years later Libya is in complete chaos. Citizens of the West have little understanding of the depth of the sufferings unleashed on the peoples of North Africa, Palestine, Syria and Iraq since the US and NATO launched wars against the peoples of this region..."
Results of Western Intervention in Libya - by Abayomi Azikiwe
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/10/25/383592/results-of-western-inter...
"The present situation in Libya is the direct result of the war of regime-change led by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Pentagon and NATO during 2011. US policy is designed to overthrow all of the soverign anti-imperialist governments throughout Africa and the Middle East.
Libya, which under the years of the Jamahiriya-Gaddafi rule was the most prosperous state in Africa, is now a major source of instability in the region..."
Thanks Canada for all your 'heavy lifting' to help make it so...
RT: ITN: Cease Firewalls (and vid)
http://rt.com/shows/in-the-now-summary/232883-ukraine-ceasefire-hackers-...
"Sisi Strikes ISIS in Libya..."
Italy Shuts Embassy in Libya, Appeals to UN as Thousands Flee War-Torn Country for Europe
http://rt.com/news/232595-italy-embassy-libya-migrants/
And you helped make it like this Canada...
Glenn Greenwald: Hailed As A Model For Successful Interventions, Libya Proves To Be the Exact Opposite
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28629-hailed-as-a-model-f...
"The unraveling of Libya is now close to complete..."
and not one Canadian politician has ever come forward to acknowledge their complicity in a process which led to the destruction of Gaddafi's Libya and its replacement with a collapsing terror state.
ISIS Plans to Invade Europe Through Libya - Report (and vid)
"Report: ISIS to use Libya to cross to EU in bid to conquer West?"
NATO blowback or intended consquences? Thanks Gen Bouchard...
"The 'Arab Spring' Brought DAESH to Libya'
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/02/24/report-42689/
"Paolo Sensini, historian and author of an analysis of the 2011 war against Qaddafi, analyses the situation in Libya today and considers the roots of the crisis.
Q Tell us about these militias marching under the black flag of ISIS in Libya
A They're the same people who received full support in 2011, from France, Great Britain, [CANADA] and the United States, and then, later, Italy. They were responsible for the so-called 'Arab Spring'.
Now presented to us as bogeymen, they were praised in 2011 as the ones who'll bring democracy in Libya."
Those of us who questioned the authenticity of this Arab Sting at the time were denounced and threads were closed over it. Let us never forget the evil complicity of Canada and especially so-called 'progressives' including the NDP nor forget that it was a Canadian NATO general, Lt Gen Charles Bouchard, who bombed ISIS into life in Libya.
BAR: Media Silence on Libya - by Margaret Kimberley
http://blackagendareport.com/node/14690
"They used the dubious doctrine of Responsibility to Protect, R2P, as a means of getting away with murder....In 2011, the leaders of NATO appeared to pull off the perfect crime. That year they used the Arab Spring democracy movement as a cover to destroy Libya, kill its president, Muammar Gaddafi, and turn that nation over to jihadists supported by the Persian Gulf monarchies..."
Canada particpated hence the silence. Next up Ukraine...
The UN, Libya and the Beheadings of Sirte
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/27/the-un-libya-and-the-beheadings-i...
"The so-called ISIS in Libya have mastered the art of propaganda..'
"Those who carried out the beheadings of the 21 Egyptian workers chose the city of Sirte. This was the birthplace of Gaddafi. Also the seat of the idea of the Constitutive Act of the African Union and it is near to the center of the institutions that hold real power in Libya: Tripoli. At the seat of power are two of the most important organizations for those who want to wield power, the Central Bank and the National Oil Company..."
for whatit´s worth, from Debka (they always throw out some bs in their messages, but do have close connections with military intelligence)...
Cairo’s Darnah operation is believed to be days away. It is scheduled to take place at the same time as another anti-terrorist operation, which El-Sisi is planning to launch on Egypt’s longest-running front against the Islamist threat in Sinai, 2,000 kilometers east of Darnah. There, Egyptian and ground forces will go into action against the ISIS affiliate’s hideouts.
He is also considering aerial bombardments of the Gaza Strip to target Hamas’ military arm whose active collaboration with the jihadis has been confirmed by intelligence.
Some of the militias which have divided Darnah, a town of app. 50,000, among themselves, have declared their territories provinces of Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi’s Islamic Caliphate.
According to our military sources, Egyptian forces will be assigned to attack the town from the north after a beach landing. They plan to link up with allied Libyan militias commanded by the former Qaddafi regime general Khalifa Hifter, who will come from Benghazi to strike the town from the south. Khalif and his armed men have been pursuing a relentless war on the inroads made by al Qaeda in Libya, as well as the Muslim Brotherhood, with quiet backing from Cairo.
The London-based Arabic Alquds Alarabi, which is known for its solid sources in the Middle East, reported this week that Gen. Hafter had recently paid at least two secret visits to Cairo to collect the weapons he needs for his part in the Darnah offensive and coordination
Hifter is a longtime CIA asset. Gadaffi sent him packing back to his masters in Langley long ago. He was brought back into Libya by them during the 'liberation'.
NATO Knew Its Intervention In Libya Would Create Chaos and Aid Al-Qaeda
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41267.htm
"CANADIAN military intelligence knew that NATO's March, 2011 intervention in Libya would aid militant theocratic Islamists aligned with al-Qaeda and could create long-term chaos in the country, according to David Pugliese, a reporter with the Ottawa Citizen, who obtained Canadian intelligence documents.
Pugliese revealed that 'A Canadian Intelligence report written in late 2009 described the anti-Gadhafi stronghold of eastern Libya, from which the uprising against Gaddafi erupted, 'as an epicenter of Islamist extremism.'
And Canadian pilots joked privately that they were part of al-Qaeda's air force, 'since their bombing runs helped to pave the way for rebels aligned with the terrorist group,'
Thanks Canada..
ITN - S2E-139: 'That's Not My Name' (and vid)
http://rt.com/shows/in-the-now-summary/260545-libya-conflict-us-mosque/
"Leaked emails reveal how the West was playing both sides of the Libyan conflict, hoping for a regime change, but planning just in case..."
Gaddafi's Son, 8 Other Former Government Officers Sentenced to Death By 'Libyan Militia' (and vid)
http://www.rt.com/news/310929-son-gaddafi-death-sentence/
"The UN human rights office said it was 'deeply disturbed' by the death sentences. 'We had closely monitored the detention and trial and found that international fair trial standards had failed to be met,' it said in a statement."
D'aesh Court in Tripoli Sentences Former Jamahiriya Officials to Death
https://libya360.wordpress.com/2015/07/28/daesh-court-in-tripoli-sentenc...
"Saif Al Islam Gaddafi sentenced to death in Absentia."
'We came, we saw, he died!' - US Secretary of State
'Despicable and Inhumane': Gaddafi Son's Interrogators Threaten Sexual Abuse with 23 MM Gun Bullet (and vid)
http://www.rt.com/news/312974-gaddafi-interrigation-abuse-threats/
"A newly leaked interrogation video of Muammar Gaddafi's son Saadi has revealed mistreatment and threats of sexual abuse during his questioning, which his mother called despicable and contrary to every individual's right to be treated with dignity.
The interrogators also told the prisoner 'there were no human rights here for Saadi'..."
"Our troops have done a wonderful job in Libya over the past few months. I want to salute the efforts and courage of our troops. New Democrats are proud to have supported Libyans in their quest for democracy." Nycole Turmel, NDP on death of Muammar Gaddafi
Libya At Core of US, UK Strategy To Destabilize the Region - by Dan Glazebrook
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/326520-libya-us-special-forces/
"...The whole point for Britain and the US trying to support a 'unity' government is to get a legal fig leaf for the coming occupation. This won't be the last of western special forces in Libya, mark my words. [The purpose will be to construct] a ratline of weapons and fighters to export terrorism from Libya, which has become a hub of terrorism and has been the core of destabilization strategy employed by US and Britain in the region.
That's what they were doing in 2011, that's what they were doing in 2012. I suspect that's what they are doing today as well."
ISIS Stole Sarin Gas From Libya & Has Already Used It, Gaddafi's cousin tells RT (and vid)
https://www.rt.com/news/326497-gaddafi-cousin-isis-sarin/
"Islamic State militants have managed to steal chemical weapons from underground storage facilities in Libya that were not properly guarded and the gas has already been used, a cousin of the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi told RT Arabic in an exclusive interview.
'There are two known cases of this chemical agent being stolen. I know this from my sources in Tripoli. In the first case, seven drums of sarin were stolen, and in the second, I think it was five. IS has already used the chemical weapons in Iraq and Syria, according to numerous reports."
At Least 65 Killed in Bomb Attack on Libyan Police Training Center (and vid)
https://www.rt.com/news/328154-libya-police-bomb-killed/
"Escalation of violence in Libya continues, as two rival governments and parliaments continue to compete for dominance, making it possible for Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) militants to make gains in the country. ISIS has seized several profitable oil fields in Libya and is eager to win more control over the country..."
Prophetic Warning: Gaddafi Cautioned Tony Blair of Jihadi Threat to Europe
"RT's Alexey Yaroshevsky takes a look at transcripts of phone conversations from 2011 between Libyan President Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and former PM Tony Blair. During the calls the pair discussed the threat of [refugee flows] and jihadi extremist attacks in Europe if Gaddafi's regime collapsed."
Gaddafi Accused Blair of 'Supporting Al Qaeda', Unseen Phone Transcripts Reveal (and vid)
https://www.rt.com/uk/328173-gaddafi-blair-transcripts-libya/
"Transcript of call between Blair and Gaddafi freaking out as Libya collapses is fascinating..."
Gaddafi was right.
ISIS Shifts To Libya After Strikes in Syria
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/isis-shifts-libya-strikes-syria/
The Islamic State terror group is making significant gains in Libya as hundreds of its members have been detected moving there from Syria and Iraq in recent weeks..."
What Hillary Knew About Libya - by Robert Parry
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/34588-focus-what-hillary-...
"To justify US 'regime changes', the US government has routinely spread rumors and made other dubious claims which - even when later doubted or debunked - are left in place indefinitely as corrosive propaganda, eating away at the image of various 'enemies' and deforming public opinion.
A recent case in point was the emergence - in the State Department's New Year's Eve release of more than 3,000 emails to and from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - of evidence that two key propaganda themes used to advance violent 'regime change' in Libya in 2011 may have originated with rebel-inspired rumors passed on by Clinton's private adviser Sidney Blumenthal. *[father of activist Max Blumenthal]
A month later; this bizarre Viagra-rape angle became part of a United Nations presentation by then US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice who brought up the Viagra charge in a debate about the evils of Muammar Gaddafi's regime..."
Clinton Email Shows that Oil and Gold Were Behind Regime Change in Libya
http://www.blackagendareport.com/oil_gold_Libya_shia
"Hillary Clinton's 'private' email correspondence with Middle East wheeler-dealer Sydney Blumenthal discusses France's motives in pushing for a NATO attack on Libya in 2011 - including Muammar Qaddafi's intention to use Libyan gold to 'provide the Francophone African Countries with an alternative to the French franc.
Meanwhile, the Sunni Arab monarchies were eager for war because most of the region's oil lies in Shia-populated territory..."
Blowback, Karma and Unintended Consequences - by Yves Engler
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/15/blowback-karma-and-unintended-con...
"Largely ignored in North America, the 2011 Canada/France/Britain/US war in Libya benefitted Boko Haram..."
Gaddafi’s Daughter Ayesha: New Leader of Resistance Against NATO and Libyan TerroristsAyesha to her people: I will avenge my father, brothers, a husband and Libya!By Maja OrlicGlobal Research, February 02, 2016South Front 1 February 2016Region
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She is back! The daughter of Muammar Gaddafi will lead the resistance against NATO and the other Libyan terrorists. Ayesha stated that she is now the leader of the resistance and she is about to create a new secret government.
Ayesha Gaddafi [pictured left] becomes the new leader of the resistance at a crucial moment for the country – on the eve of the new NATO intervention. As a Lieutenant General of the Libyan army she swore loyalty to order her legendary father and urged Libyans to wake up in order to win, to be successful and to “return the Jamahiriya government”.
Ayesha Gaddafi guarantees that in the next few months she will form a “secret government” of “famous Libyans,” who are loyal to Gaddafi and that will act as a mediator in Libya and abroad. Analyzing the current situation she criticized the former army because of “a crazy mix of anarchists” who decided to wage war on a principle “I fight for whoever pays me more.”
Gaddafi´s daughter accused them of using a green flag of Jamahiriya and recruiting their supporters, as well as strengthening tribal governments, under whose shadow they joined the alliance with the Tuareg and Toubou Islamists. She accused the Tuareg and Toubou tribes of separatism and conspiracy with the government in Tobruk.
Ayesha Gaddafi called on the soldiers of the Libyan armed forces to give her the oath as a Supreme Commander, in order to restore the state.
“My name gives me a duty and a right to be at the forefront of this battle.”, said a brave woman who during the war lost her husband and two children. Today she is ready to become a “symbol of the nation” and alongside a portrait of Gaddafi to become a “symbol of the mission to restore national unity.” Speaking of the Libyans as for her children, she compared herself to a mother who will fight for their children.
She also talked about about al-Qaeda terrorists, who overthrew her father Muammar Gaddafi in 2011. Ayesha Gaddafi prophetically said that their destruction and death have a breath of madness and that it will fall apart and disappear. She wrote that “We are ready for a deadly battle” in which the terrorists will face one nation. In conclusion, she promised to sign s new agreement.
According to rumors, the printed version of this call is secretly being distributed and shared in the main cities of Libya – Tripoli and Tobruk. And according to given information we can also expect her speech on local television soon.
Originally published at in4s.net, translated by Mario Andrijasevic exclusively for SouthFront
US Prepares Troop Deployment To Libya Amid Fight For Oil Fields
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/05/21/liby-m21.html
"Five years after a US-NATO war shattered Libya, Washington is preparing to send troops into the oil-rich North African nation for a 'long-term mission', the Pentagon's trop uniformed commander said Thursday.
As in Iraq and Syria, Washington is justifying this new intervention in the name of combating a force that it itself spawned. Libya's ISIS fighters came from the Islamist militias that the CIA and other Islamist militias that the CIA and other Western intelligence agencies supported and armed in the bid to oust Gaddafi in 2011.
Many of them were then sent to Syria, along with large stockpiles of Libyan weapons that were shipped to that country as part of an operation run out of the secret CIA station in Benghazi..."
Baird 'Impressed' With Libyan Rebels - CTV June 27, 2011
"Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird says he was 'very impressed' with rebel leaders he met with in Benghazi, Libya as part of a secret visit to the North African country. 'I was incredibly, incredibly moved by the courage and determination,' Baird said..."
International Policy on Libya: Arm *Someone* and Hope For the Best
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/05/international-policy-on-libya-arm-s...
"The decision on Monday in Vienna to provide 'arms' to a Libyan government that exists in name only, the GNA, has taken the international community's stance from the sublime to the completely ridiculous.
It's a 'Potemkin Village' lie of epic proportions. But wait, the best I save till last. Their military component is an assortment of militias of varying shades of extremist mainly from Tripoli, Sabratha, Zuwaia and importantly Misrata.
Not forgetting in addition the forces that represent the coalition between the LIFG (read for them an Al Qaeda affiliate) which has aligned itself squarely with the Muslim Brotherhood, best described as the Sinn Fein political wing to IRA terrorists of the 70s.
So, as in Syria, the Americans are going to give 'arms' to the 'good' guys but not the 'bad' ones. Good luck with that one!"
More Messy Meddling in Libya
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/05/more-messy-meddling-in-libya.html
"So the ludicrous decision by the Americans, Brits and Italians in Vienna on Monday the 16th May to arm Islamist militias under 'Libya Dawn' which importantly include the Misratan militias, seems to be proceeding with some help from Western armies but no one is admitting it. [JTF2?]A question I have aked before but must ask again. Why is the international community persisting in this charade? This travesty is going to blow up literally in Western faces.America and Britain are blindsided by their love affair with the Muslim Brotherhood and their adherents in Libya's West and specifically in and around Tripoli. This error in judgment will cost the West and particularly the EU dearly in so many ways."
Sources in Libya, and among those who have fled to neighboring countries, as well as Europe, have noted that elements of the former Gaddafi government have been working closely with the Sisi government in Egypt. While it is difficult to confirm independently, such a move is entirely plausible considering the common jihadi enemy both face in Libya which shares a long, porous border with Egypt. Assuming that the collaboration is true, it presents yet another reason why the US and its proxies, to say nothing of the terror groups inside Libya, would greatly fear Saif’s freedom. With the backing of an assertive Egypt, the all-important tribal councils, and elements of the disparate factions on the ground, Saif would instantly become the single most powerful man in Libya.
And for those in the West, it is incumbent on everyone to vigorously and publicly defend Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, and to redouble efforts to back him. Saif represents a chance for Libya to be rebuilt, for the country to be pulled from the morass of chaos manufactured by the US and its NATO partners. Saif is the hope of the Libyan people who have suffered unspeakable horrors these last five years. Even those who have no love lost for Gaddafi understand the importance of reconstituting a single, united Libya under a single, united government. Only Saif al-Islam Gaddafi can do that now. And that’s why freedom for Saif might one day mean freedom for Libya.
Eric Draitser is an independent geopolitical analyst based in New York City, he is the founder of StopImperialism.org and OP-ed columnist for RT, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
http://journal-neo.org/2016/07/14/freedom-for-saif-al-islam-gaddafi-freedom-for-libya/
Western intervention or escalation
The sentiment for many Libyans is that a Western military presence can only exacerbate existing tensions. As the situation worsened, many Libyans realized the only way out would be to concentrate efforts in a common policy to root out terrorist forces coming from the outside and rallying behind one consensual leadership. The first proved popular; the second however more problematic, yet with the emergence of the Greens once again as a formidable force, many previously hostile to the old order, have been coming round, seeing it as the only credible alternative.
These attacks on Sirte will only slow down the process and derail an already fragile road map to national unity. But who benefits from a rudderless Libya?
Gaddafi’s Ghosts: Return of the Libyan Jamahiriya
.....may the authorities and political institutions of Canada, their controlled media that supported the pillage and destruction of Libya, one day rot in prison for their crimes against humanity!!
David Cameron is blamed for the rise of ISIS as a damning report says his 'ill-conceived' war on Colonel Gaddafi 'made the world more dangerous'
David Cameron's 'ill-conceived' military intervention in Libya fuelled the migrant crisis and spurred the growth of ISIS, MPs warn today.
In a devastating verdict, the Commons foreign affairs committee savages the former prime minister's judgment in rushing to war in 2011, saying the intervention was based on 'erroneous assumptions'.
The cross-party committee accuses Mr Cameron of ignoring military chiefs and a lack of reliable intelligence to pursue an 'opportunistic policy of regime change' in Libya.
And it says he gave little thought to how Libya would fare following the removal of dictator Colonel Gaddafi, setting the scene for the country's descent into chaos.
It claims the bungled military action in Libya paved the way for a major new terror training base for ISIS fanatics.
'Various tribes, independent militias and ISIL took advantage of the absence of central government to seize control of portions of Libyan territory,' the report states.
'ISIL has used its presence in Libya to train terrorists.'
The committee says Mr Cameron's Libyan adventure 'was not informed by accurate intelligence', with ministers underestimating the threat that the country could become an Islamist stronghold.
....now let`s recall, the NDP`s unanimous endorsement of Canada`s invasion of Libya...where are the authoriities in Canada ready to challenge our disgraceful and criminal intervention.....
may I finalize with this rough quote from Muammar Gaddafi....*my dream before I die is to see the reforestation of Libya from one end to the other* so his 4 billion dollar deep acquifer irrigation project...one of the first infrastructures to be destroyed what with the help of Canada`s military craft....
Of course all the Western media ridiculed Gaddafi when he insisted that the people in revolt in Bengazi were Islamic terrorists from other countires.
Muammar Gaddafi, Another Majority World Martyr
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Muammar-Gaddafi-Another-Majorit...
"After the West's destructive neocolonial campaign of 2011, no one can take seriously Western political and intellectual leaders or the foreign news coverage of Western media of almost any variety.
This year's fifth anniversary of Muammar Gaddafi's murder is a reminder full of implicit rebuke for just about everyone involved in Libya's destruction..."
We will never forget that the destruction of Libya, including a vicious and intensive air-campaign, was led by a Canadian NATO general, Charles Bouchard, now CEO of Lockheed Martin Canada, and wildly cheerled by faux progressives and the NDP, many who now repeat their outrageous and disgusting collaboration with imperialism in support of 'regime change' and the dismemberment of Syria. Shame!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auction...
This straight out barbarism.
“The men on the pick-up were brought to a square, or parking lot, where a kind of slave trade was happening. There were locals – he described them as Arabs – buying sub-Saharan migrants,” said Livia Manante, an IOM officer based in Niger who helps people wanting to return home.
Trafficked people passing through Libya have previously reported violence, extortion and slave labour. But the new testimony from the International Organization for Migration suggests that the trade in human beings has become so normalised that people are being traded in public.
But, at least, thanks to the efforts and courage of our bombers, our proxies were victorious and evil Gaddafi is gone..
http://www.ndp.ca/news/statement-nycole-turmel-death-muammar-gaddafi
West Eyes Recolonization of Africa By Endless War
"Removing Gaddafi was just the first step..."
Saif Al Islam Gaddafi: Memorandum On Libya
http://www.voltairenet.org/article198534.html
"This memorandum aimed to pinpoint some of the facts that the Libyan people were subjected to during the past six years, where the most horrendous crimes were conducted against its people..."
Thanks Canada, for helping to make it happen...
(see also #148)
Should NATO Answer For Libya's Slave Trade? (and vid)
"CNN revealed that African migrants are being sold at slave auctions in Libya for as little as $400. As the UN weighs sactions, professor and author Horace Campbell says NATO powers who tore Libya apart should own up to their responsibility."
As should the 'R2P' Canadian 'progressives' who cheered them on...
