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Pondering

Jacob Two-Two wrote:
... I remember Mulcair's comments and objections to them, but it was always clear to me what he meant. Clear as day. If people took them the wrong way they can only blame themselves.

The discussion was about pre-election co-operation and Mulcair said absolutely not. ....

The only reason there is any confusion over this point is because people like Debater have a vested interest in sowing said confusion. Sadly, the media has a lot of people like Debater in it.

 

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/how-could-the-ndp-and-liberals-tu...

“N.O.,” he told HuffPost. The NDP tried to form a coalition with the Liberals in 2008 and then the Grits “lifted their noses up on it,” Mulcair said.

The coalition experience taught Mulcair everything he needs to know about the Liberals. They’re untrustworthy and he said he’ll never work with them again, whether in a formal or informal coalition.

“The no is categorical, absolute, irrefutable and non-negotiable. It’s no. End of story. Full stop,” he said.

 

terrytowel

All I know is that when Nathan Cullen and Joyce Murray were running for the leaderships of their parties, they both advocated running joint nominations

Even Elizabeth May pipped in and joined Joyce in a few interviews to try to spread the gospel.

Both parties should have worked together to make that happen.

Pondering

terrytowel wrote:

All I know is that when Nathan Cullen and Joyce Murray were running for the leaderships of their parties, they both advocated running joint nominations.

And they both lost.

The Liberals have a very long history of being in power without forming any coalitions with a third party. To do so would be a step down. There is no reason to go there when they are running neck and neck with the Conservatives.

The NDP has never been in power federally so even a coalition with the Liberals is a step up for the NDP especially as it is looking like they won't even remain the official opposition.

That isn't a put down of the NDP it's just an acknowledgement of their comparative histories and current placements.

 

 

Debater

Jacob Two-Two wrote:

The only reason there is any confusion over this point is because people like Debater have a vested interest in sowing said confusion. Sadly, the media has a lot of people like Debater in it.

So even though Sean disagrees with you and even though the press articles also disprove what you are saying, you are still intent on maintaining your false assertions and blaming me and the press for having a "vested interest in sowing said confusion"?

Can't you see how partisan you are?  Can't you see how blinded you are by your slavish devotion to Mulcair & the NDP talking points?  Even some of the NDPers here like Sean are able to see the flaws in your reasoning.

The bottom line is that Mulcair said he was against working with the Liberals in any way.  If it's the case that inside his own head he was hoping to leave a loophole through legalese and weasel words, then that proves what I said earlier - that Mulcair is just as much a political opportunist as you accuse Trudeau of being.

An ordinary person, listening to Mulcair, would have come away with the understanding that he was against cooperation.  Why not just admit that Mulcair flip-flopped and changed his position?  It makes sense that he said what he did at the time.  He didn't want to look close to the Liberals, and they were behind in the polls anyway.

However, when the Trudeau Liberals overtook him the following year, be began to gradually change his tune, leading to his present position.

Now, as much as I dislike you, and your constant attempt to malign me, I am still open to working with you & other NDPers down the road.  I still think Mulcair is an opportunist & a flip-flopper, but I think he's correct to begin thinking about some sort of arrangement between the Liberals & the NDP.  Because let's face it, neither party is likely to win enough seats on their own to beat the Conservatives.

I don't think the Liberals can afford to believe that they are destined to return to power.  They can't afford to ignore the possibility of working with the NDP.  At this point in time the Liberals do not have sufficient support to govern on their own.  Nor does the NDP.  I think Justin Trudeau needs to open the door to cooperation with the NDP like Mulcair is doing.  It risks alienating non-Conservative voters when a leader is stubborn on this point.  And I am going to pass along my thoughts to Gerald Butts when I talk to him this week.

Sean in Ottawa

Debater-- now you say this makes Mulcair a flip-flopper? This is unusual for Mulcair and based on comments he made BEFORE he one the leadership. Will you then admit that Trudeau is a flip-flopper since he does that a lot more frequently?

And Debater, please stop calling other people partisan, from you it is a very sorry accusation.

Is there anyone here who is partisan?

jjuares

Debater wrote:
And I am going to pass along my thoughts to Gerald Butts when I talk to him this week.

So are you name dropping or do you genuinely play a role in the Liberal Party?

nicky

I for one am more impressed with Debater having a pipeline to Gerald Butts than having one to Justin.

After all Justin doesn't have a thought in his head that Gerald didn't put there.

Pass along that thought to Gerald , Debater.

NorthReport

What's this all about?

Rival MPs question NDP MP Morin’s use of Parliamentary email for partisan purposes

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2015/04/06/rival-mps-question-ndp-mp-...

Brachina

 Petty, I guess Morin could pay back the money it cost tax payers to send that email,.the who zero dollars.

Debater

Gérard Deltell quitte la CAQ pour les conservateurs

Le député caquiste de Chauveau, Gérard Deltell, annoncera mardi qu'il quitte la CAQ pour faire le saut en politique fédérale avec le Parti conservateur aux prochaines élections, a appris Radio-Canada. Il sera candidat à l'investiture dans la circonscription fédérale de Louis-Saint-Laurent, à Québec.

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2015/04/06/003-gerard-del...

NorthReport

Will the Duffy trial deliver smoking guns — or just more smoke?

And whatever the trial’s outcome, there will be an appeal — which means the matter won’t be definitively settled before the election. Duffy may well be convicted on some counts, exculpated on others, allowing both sides to claim both victory and defeat, leaving a murky mess that resolves nothing in voters’ minds … and doesn’t even make for a decent attack ad.

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2015/04/06/will-the-duffy-trial-deliver-smoking-...

NorthReport

Future of the Senate: majority of Canadians split between abolishing, reforming the Red Chamber

Findings:

  • Almost half (45%) of Canadians polled say the Senate should be reformed
  • About as many (41%) say it should be abolished
  • The rest (14%) say the Red Chamber should be left as is
  • Despite the intense media scrutiny surrounding Duffy’s trial and the police investigations into suspended Senators Pamela Wallin and Patrick Brazeau’s housing and expense claims, fewer than one-fifth of respondents (16%) say Senate issues will be a deciding factor as they cast their ballots in this fall’s expected election


http://angusreid.org/future-of-senate/

Debater

Looks like former CBC weather forecaster Claire Martin to try politics, w/ presser tomorrow in North Vancouver w/ Green leader Elizabeth May

https://twitter.com/robshaw_vansun/status/585529611657830401

NorthReport

More goodies from Harper.

Harper announces expansion of student grant program at North Vancouver school (with video)

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Harper+announces+expansion+student+gran...

NorthReport

Canada commits nearly $250 million to help build world's largest optical telescope

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/canada-commits-250-millio...

NorthReport

Canadian taxpayers lose $3.5-billion on 2009 bailout of auto firms  Frown

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/canadian-taxpayers-los...

NorthReport

Typos in Prime Minister's Office press pass induce mockery on Twitter

Press passes for PMO event missed an apostrophe and misspelled British Columbia

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/typos-in-prime-minister-s...

wage zombie

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Harper was too arrogant to resign last summer or fall when he should have. He is bringing his party into an election where his removal will become the most significant issue of the campaign. He may win but the risk he is taking, chance of loss, is increased due to his tenure. He is now his party's biggest problem.

It is clear Harper cannot win a clean campaign. It is not clear that he can even get away with a dirty one. A win by Harper is defined as more seats than the Liberals and NDP combined. This is the case due to his actions. He has put those two parties with a gun to their heads forcing them to govern if they are able to becuase their supporters hate Harper so much that they would destroy their own parties rather than accept a deal that would keep Harper in power if it can be avoided.

If Harper had resigned Trudeau could have allowed the next conservative leader a chance but if it is Harper, Trudeau would be inclined personally to defeat him even if his policies might not be different. Trudeau's supporters and even MPs would split badly if the Liberals picked Harper over the hated NDP. The NDP would not want to support a Trudeau government if the NDP came in third but they would be forced to just as the Liberals would be forced to accepting Mulcair as PM should the NDP get more seats than they and the combination exceed 170. there will not be enough time for the Conservatives to wipe the stain of Harper in the period between the election and the crafting of a government.

Is there a chance that if Harper wins a plurality but not a majority, he could work out a deal with the Liberals to vote through a throne speech on the condition that he resigns?

wage zombie

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I do expect the Cons to sit in first place and a more even split between the NDP and the Liberals with them getting a total over 170 seats.

I would be delighted if the Liberals kept Harper in power in this circumstance as it would be the end of their party probably in less than a year but I do not hold out ope of that. Either way Harper is gone in less than a year or this year. The Liberals either work with the NDP or go over a cliff.

Debater wrote:

1.  The Liberals were written off after the 2011 Election (as the NDP once was), so I think we should refrain from making predictions like "it would be the end of their party probably in less than a year".  This is total supposition and is at odds with historical trends.

2.  Why would you be "delighted" if there was no more Liberal Party?  As has been explained many times, until the day when the NDP can win over centrist voters (blue liberals/red tories), the Liberals perform a valuable role that the NDP cannot.  The Conservatives know that the Liberals are a bigger threat than the NDP.  When the Liberal Party does badly, it helps the Conservatives.  As Gerry Nicholls says, Harper believes that if it's just the Conservatives vs. the NDP, the Conservatives will win nearly every time.

You are ignoring context.  Perhaps it is arguable that in a FPTP system with just the Cons vs the NDP, the Cons would have an advantage more often than not.  But, after 11 years of Harper (assuming in this scenario he is kept in power via Liberals enabling his minority government), I think the advantage would go to NDP in a two-way race.

In this hypothetical scenario, an NDP win would then mean FPTP out the window and a healthy multi-party system.

NorthReport
Brachina

 Yes I hate the Senate.

Pondering

Isn't it due to the Senate that we don't have an abortion law?

Debater

Elizabeth May Gains Trudeau's Support To Include Greens In 2015 Election Debate

04/08/2015 9:15 pm EDT

OTTAWA — Green party Leader Elizabeth May has scored Justin Trudeau’s support to be in the leaders’ debate, but it is still unclear whether that will land her a spot on stage.

The Liberal leader spoke with May on Wednesday and said the Grits plan to argue for her participation in this year’s federal election debates, she told The Huffington Post Canada.

“It makes me happy,” she said. “He said he had two reasons: One was that he thinks we need to make sure that the environment gets discussed and debated adequately in the debates and for that he thinks I should be there.

The other [reason], which I really like, is that his daughter will be watching her dad in the debate, and he doesn’t want her to think it’s a boys-only thing to be in public life,” May said.

“He wants her to see there is a place at the table for women leaders.”

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/04/08/green-party-leaders-debate-eliza...

Brachina

 Of course he supports her having a spot at the debates, he's hoping she'll take his! :-) 

Debater

Such foolish comments! Laughing

Trudeau has no intention of missing the Leaders Debate.  No major party leader has done that in modern history.

As Elizabeth May said, Justin is looking forward to his daughter watching him in the debate.

Debater

Victoriaville Mayor Alain Rayes to run for Conservatives in Richmond-Arthabaska

Apr 9 2015

VICTORIAVILLE, Que. - The federal Tories have landed themselves another high-profile candidate in Quebec.

A Conservative source tells The Canadian Press that Victoriaville Mayor Alain Rayes will announce his candidacy on Monday.

Rayes has been mayor of the central Quebec municipality since 2009 and will seek nomination in Richmond-Arthabaska.

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http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/04/09/quebec-mayor-alain-rayes-to-...

nicky

Debater said," Justin is looking forward to his daughter watching him in the debate."

Justin should be more concerned about adults watching him debate. 

Debater

Yeah, very cute, Nicky!  You always manage to play word games with every post.

I was obviously referring to what Elizabeth May said in the article above about how Justin wants his daughter to see a woman leader in the debates so it's not just an Old Boy's Club.

That's why I asked whether Mulcair agrees with Trudeau & May on the significance of having a woman leader in the debates.  Women voters will be paying attention to Mulcair's decision, I'm sure.

Rokossovsky

We know that Trudeau is just trying to game his failure to support a debate on Women's issues -- "I have to do something 'feminist' now to cover for the fact that I don't think women's issues are worthy of debate."

Trudeau's slithering around issues is tawdry, and patently obvious.

The self-referential nature of his "centerist" positioning on everything is emblematic of his moral rudderlessness: "Since I have taken a position against a debate on women's issues, I will take up the 'center' against the position I have already taken up by juxtoposing my anti-Feminist position on the "women's issue" debate, by taking up a pro-Feminist position on including May in the debate, and thus I will be at the at the "center" of the political paradigm I alone define."

Trudeau, is 'centerist' only in that his position is central to his ego.

Debater

What a bunch of baloney.

Trudeau hasn't failed to "support a debate on Women's issues".  That debate participation hasn't been decided yet.

So far Mulcair has "failed" to support Elizabeth May's inclusion in the main Leaders Debate. So now Mulcair is "slithering around" by agreeing to be in a debate which fewer people will watch and hoping people don't notice his lack of support for Elizabeth May in the Leaders Debate, which more people watch and which is more important.  Mulciar doesn't want May in the regular Leaders Debate, and it is patently obvious.

Rokossovsky

The "debate" participation hasn't been decided in either case, my friend, but he has offered an opinion in support of May being in the leaders debate, and not supported a debate on "women's issues" in total.

His position on this is much the same as his position on C-51, against it in theory, in favour in action. Likewise, his position on commitments of the CAF in the Middle East, opposed to a mission extension, no commitment to withdraw if elected.

Debater

As I just demonstrated above, two can play at this game of posturing around the debates.

Why don't we wait and see what the leaders decide about the debates?

We also don't know what the all-powerful "Broadast Consortium" has decided yet.

So we're operating in the dark.

Debater

Anyway, getting back to another topic I posted above, it's interesting that the Conservatives have announced 2 star candidates in Québec within the past week.

They have a CAQ MNA running in Louis-Saint-Laurent, which means the NDP will have to work hard to keep that seat, and now they have a Mayor running in Richmond-Arthabaska to try and pick up the seat of a retiring BQ MP.

This shows that Harper, as always, remains a formidable strategist.  He knows he may lose seats in other parts of the country like the Maritimes and the GTA, so he is making moves to pick up new seats in Québec to replace losses elsewhere.

The NDP & the Liberals aren't going to have the field to themselves in Québec as much as they had hoped.

Rokossovsky

Mulcair hasn't done any posturing.

He said that he would be at the leaders debate if Harper was there, and that he would welcome a debate on Women's Issues. Two pretty plain statements.

Trudeau, however, has promoted including May in the leader's debate on feminist grounds, but will not state if he will be willing to be in a debate solely on women's issues. What gives?

NorthReport

It's going to be a wide ride in the Alberta election. So would Prentice be a better federal leader than Harper. I doubt it.

 

Alberta premier tried to ‘undermine’ Harper and ‘get him to quit so he could take over,’ Wildrose leader says

Both Jim Prentice and Brian Jean — rivals now in the provincial election campaign — were elected as members of Harper’s federal Conservative caucus in 2004

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/alberta-premi...

Brachina

 Oh this should be fun, Harper and Trudeau are likely dreading this election for different reasons, and I have no doubt that Mulcair is rooting for Racheal.

Brachina

 Oh this should be fun, Harper and Trudeau are likely dreading this election for different reasons, and I have no doubt that Mulcair is rooting for Racheal.

Brachina

 Oh this should be fun, Harper and Trudeau are likely dreading this election for different reasons, and I have no doubt that Mulcair is rooting for Racheal.

Aristotleded24

wage zombie wrote:
Is there a chance that if Harper wins a plurality but not a majority, he could work out a deal with the Liberals to vote through a throne speech on the condition that he resigns?

All the Liberals would have to do is abstain from the Throne Speech in that scenario and it passes. I think in such a scenario that the Liberals would be in the weakest position of any of the parties, and would do what they could to avoid rocking the boat, just the way the Liberals abstained from votes of confidence under Dion.

We cannot count on the Liberals to help the NDP defeat Harper. The only way to ensure the defeat of the Harper agenda is to ensure that the Conservatives and Liberals do not have a majority of seats between them.

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

The Liberal-Conservative party will do whatever it can to serve the interests of the rich. It currently has two heads, the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party, but if their combined vote goes under 55%, there will be calls for a merger.

Evidence does not show that the Liberals will do anything to change anything. The Liberals will prop up Harper, and have been in collusion with Harper since the days of Paul Martin. The only chance for change is an NDP majority government.

NorthReport

Harper always manages to get out of town or country whenever there is bad news. He is doing it once again for the Duffy trial, and he away during the Vancouver oil spill as well.

NorthReport

Mulcair needs to hold some press conferences at the entrance to the Seante as this Senate stink has the potential to seriously damage both the Liberals and the Conservatives.

Brachina

 I worry it could help Trudeau, but changing the channel from Mulcair's substance vs. Trudeau lack of it, and Trudeau may gain support from the Tories.(and yes I see that as a bad thing, not because I support Harper, but because it would just encourage those fools who think Trudeau is they're salvation from rightwing politics).

Pondering

Brachina wrote:

 I worry it could help Trudeau, but changing the channel from Mulcair's substance vs. Trudeau lack of it, and Trudeau may gain support from the Tories.(and yes I see that as a bad thing, not because I support Harper, but because it would just encourage those fools who think Trudeau is they're salvation from rightwing politics).

It seems to me as though it is some NDP supporters who portray the NDP as Canada's salvation. I doubt many people consider Trudeau a salvation from right wing politics or anything else.

NorthReport

Forget Duffy, Canadians need to wake up to Harper’s true incompetence

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2015/04/12/forget-duffy-canadians-need-to-wake-u...

NorthReport

Craig Oliver on CTV's Question Period today made a point of saying he was never close to Mike Duffy. I think I have heard him say that before but he made it very clear today. 

NorthReport

This is just another trough for the rich pigs in our society. As if they don't already have enough. No wonder we can't get rid of child poverty. Parasites! Frown

Outrage spurs calls for reform, abolition of Senate but easier said than done

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/04/13/outrage-spurs-calls-for-refo...

NorthReport

And once Liberals go on trial as well who knows what the voting public will think. Maybe voters will think a pox on both the Liberal and Conservative houses and push Mulcair over the top.

Duffy criminal trial a no-win situation for Conservatives, but too early to say if it will stick

And in an interview with CTV’s Power Play host Don Martin on April 8, Mr. Nanos said Auditor General Michael Ferguson’s audit report of all Senators’ expenses is going to further deteriorate the reputation of the Senate in the minds of Canadians.

“All the Senators, the investigation by the auditor general into Senate expenses is just the summer of cynicism is on its way. Of course, how about spring first, by the time we get to the summer, I think people are going to be ugly,” Mr. Nanos said.


http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2015/04/13/duffy-criminal-trial-a-no-...

NorthReport

Anyway Mulcair and the NDP looking good right now with 25% support in the latest poll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_42nd_Canadian_feder...

NorthReport

Mike Duffy consumes Stephen Harper with cold Camembert and crackers

 

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DEA4081

 

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2015/04/14/mike-duffy-consumes-stephen-...

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