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If this true, it'd be wonderful, http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2015/04/orange_chinook/ 

 NDP 42.2 PC PC/Wildrose 44.4, and that rump Liberal party, 6.3. Even the Bloc has higher support A Lib shoutout in Alberat, why not!

NorthReport

Ralph Klein's daughter supports NDP
Said prentice and the PCs are useless and have fucked over the people of Alberta

Brachina

 Oh man Ralph Klien's own daughter is supporting the NDP, that's be like Jack Layton's son saying he supports Steven Harper lol. I don't think Mike Layton would like the suggestion haha. Prentice has to be shitting himself right now.

Brachina

 Eric pointed out that if the Alberta NDP wins and the Albertan habit of Dynasties continues and the NDPs majorities last 44 years, they won't be defeated till 2059. I'll be dead by then. Or a Transhuman life form.

 

 Some interesting thoughts on the NDP in Alberta history, some are suggesting that the NDP is the successor to the United Farmers Party in Alberta, which which apparently after it died some of its members went on to help create the CCF which turned into the NDP.

Brachina

 I here that Alberta has people nominated both at the provincial level and Federal level for the NDP. Not a problem, anyone who wins provincially, will be easily replaced Federally given the improved interest in NDP Alberta federal nominations.

NorthReport

Thanks to Canada's right-wing press and brain dead columnists like this author these yahoos get a huge oversose of credibility. Trudeau, Prentice and their ilk are nothing but empty paper bags, blowing smoke! 

Jim Prentice doesn’t have the chops. Who knew?

For a man often mentioned as a possible future prime minister, it’s a stunning turnabout. Because of the history this election can’t be called

 

Alberta election a stunning turnabout for Prentice

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/michael-den-tandt-alberta-elec...

So, Jim Prentice doesn’t have the chops. Who knew? And what a pity for his supporters that this should be revealed now, in such stark fashion, with Alberta’s election five days away.

The aggregate of recent surveys, as tracked by ThreeHundredEight.com, has Rachel Notley’s New Democrats bolting into the home stretch with 38.7 per cent support. Prentice’s governing Tories are ten points back at 28.7 per cent. Wildrose, led by Brian Jean, runs a close third at 25.1 per cent. These numbers, should they hold through Tuesday, could see the NDP with a comfortable minority or even a razor-thin majority. It is, in a word, odd. Revolutionary would also do.

First, the caveat, made obligatory by the 2012 election: These polls could be wrong. They were wrong last time. There could be a flinch response whereby, at the moment of truth, thousands of change-minded Albertans find their pencils twitching away from the NDP candidate and toward the Progressive Conservative. Or the fear-mongering now in full swing — bury your silverware, send the kids to Grandma’s, Notley is coming! — could stop the NDP in its tracks. Governing parties in extremis haul out the monster masks for a reason: They often work.

 

NorthReport

Scaremongering at its finest!

Everyone in the country knows the Northern Gateway  pipeline is dead - poor Jim must be last to know!  Frown

Alberta NDP leader taking pipeline cues from federal counterpart: Prentice

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/alberta-politics/Alberta+leader+taki...

 

NorthReport

Rachel Notley campaign has 'shades of Jack Layton'

Orange wave could be seen on election day in Alberta, according to polls

http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/rachel-notley-campaign-ha...

NorthReport

You have done one hell of a job Jimmy!  Laughing

 

One poll asked which election outcome people feared the most. The answer, most respondents said, is another PC majority.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/braid-as-polls-stack-up-the-etern...

NorthReport

What a dud Prentice has turned out to be! 

If pre-election polls are right, Alberta may be an NDP province after all

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alberta/if-pre-election-polls-are-ri...

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

While not conceding that the Alberta electoiin meant anything for the NDP Federally, or the other parties, the CBC experts tonight on Canada's most watched news panel conceded the lesson to Canadians is that it is OK to vote NDP, even in Alberta. Chantal Heibert made the point that this was important, especially in Ontario. Given how the Liberals keep saying the NDP can't wn, especially in Ontario, this could be a harbinger of change about to occur. The Liberals can't be happy with what is going on and what it may mean Federally. Despite any protestations that LPC partisans on this board may raise to the contrarty, Alberata could be a real harbinger of things to come. Again, this is not good news for the Liberal. If this indeed means good things for the NDP at the expense of Le Dauphin and his mindless shills, I ,for one, couldn't be happier!

NorthReport

NDPers outside of Alberta - please go over to Alberta and help them win on E-Day (next Tuesday).

Glenl

NorthReport wrote:

NDPers outside of Alberta - please go over to Alberta and help them win on E-Day (next Tuesday).

I'm not sure that would be helpful.

NorthReport

Why would you say that?

Glenl wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

NDPers outside of Alberta - please go over to Alberta and help them win on E-Day (next Tuesday).

I'm not sure that would be helpful.

quizzical

NorthReport wrote:
NDPers outside of Alberta - please go over to Alberta and help them win on E-Day (next Tuesday).

 

we were already over there chatting up  a storm with Albertans,  have spent the last year in Grande Prairie, off and on, talking with everyone every chance on how the PCs need to be gone. the highway situation in Grande Prairie over the winter where people died daily, really brought it home how fkd over they are.

grande prairie is orange these days!!!!!

voice of the damned

I'm not 100% against outsider involvement in election campaigns, but you really have to be careful about how you approach it. It's one thing for an Albertan to say to another Albertan "We sure have a crappy government in this province." It's another thing for a Vancouverite who just got off the bus an hour ago to say "You sure have a crappy government in this province."

Brachina

 Are you kidding NDP activists move from province to Province all the time when elections happen. I wouldn't be surprised if more then a few Albertan NDPers have helped out on campaigns in other provinces. 

 Look at Rebecca Blakie, she ran for the NDP in Manitoba, worked for the NDP in Quebec for years and so on.  Its common and its never been a big deal.

voice of the damned

Well, like I say, I'm not against inter-provincial work by activists, and I agree, it happens all the time. I'm just saying that it has to be approached with caution, especially in a campaign where the ruling party is trying to portray your party as the tool of outside forces. NEXT...

adma

Brachina wrote:

 Oh man Ralph Klien's own daughter is supporting the NDP, that's be like Jack Layton's son saying he supports Steven Harper lol. I don't think Mike Layton would like the suggestion haha. Prentice has to be shitting himself right now.

But keep in mind that Klein was more of a populist than anything, and in fact carried the Liberal label while in charge of Calgary.

voice of the damned

That said, if you're not working in some sort of front-line position where you might have to engage voters in debate about the issues, you likely won't encounter too many problems.

NorthReport

You can vote or you can look in the mirror. Just sayin'  Laughing

https://twitter.com/Marty_Chan?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fcalgaryhera...

6079_Smith_W

Well considering the Sask Party victory in Saskatchewan was bankrolled in Alberta....

I don't see the problem with that National Post article. The author is right about the last election, and the fact that there is only one poll that matters. Anyone assuming that the election is already wonand there is no more work to do is sadly mistaken. If anything opponents of the Conservatives should thank them for the reminder. Besides, who is to say it isn't being written with an eye to the Wildrose Party 's fortunes.

I was thinking though, wouldn't this be a perfect time for all true progressives to take a stand to demonstrate how hollow the electoral system is by rejecting the whole thing and refusing to cast a vote.

 

NorthReport

So one of the few times progressives have an opportunity for majority government and they shouldn't vote. Brilliant!  

6079_Smith_W

Hey... if there is no difference between any of them after all, and it is all run by the same people, then it should be the same in this case as in any other.

If anything this is a bigger brass ring to distract progressives from the real work. It is even more important this time to refuse to legitimize their so-called "democracy".

Relax, NR. I'm just yanking chains.

NorthReport

Debates are valuable, and we should have more of them

If there has been a defining moment in the current Alberta election, it was the math comment. Premier Jim Prentice was attacking NDP leader Rachel Notley’s plan to increase corporate taxes. He first suggested that the NDP wanted to increase the tax rate from 10 to 20 percent. Notley corrected him – her party’s policy is for an increase to 12 percent. Prentice’s reply was “I know that math is hard.” Apparently, it is for some people. But as is often the case when a man is condescending to a woman about arithmetic, the man was wrong.

Prentice quickly corrected himself and his math, but the damage was done. In one sentence, he appeared arrogant and even sexist. Notley smartly moved on, knowing that the viewing audience and the Twitterati had surely registered the moment.

Will any of this matter for the election? The answer is probably yes, but less than we think. The same can be said for debates generally.

 

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/loewen-debates-are-valuable-and-w...

Glenl

NorthReport wrote:

Why would you say that?

Glenl wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

NDPers outside of Alberta - please go over to Alberta and help them win on E-Day (next Tuesday).

I'm not sure that would be helpful.

I don't believe what's happening here is ideological. Ms Notkey has shown herself to be the most trustworthy, ethical, competent option and it's taking root with Albertans. If by outsiders you mean volunteer/workers to help behind the scenes that's fine, otherwise it won't be helpful.

NorthReport

Stephen Harper’s political children? They’re all grown up.

The prime minister’s political tree is bearing fruit: The post-Harper generation of Conservative leaders is already here.

 

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/stephen-harpers-political-childre...

NorthReport

but Premier Jim Prentice was among friends Thursday night at the Edmonton Leader’s Dinner.

That much we can safely assume with up to sixteen-hundred of them paying $500 a head to hear the premier 

http://www.inews880.com/2015/05/01/prentice/

 

NorthReport

A vote for the NDP is a vote for change; a vote for the Wildrose Party is a vote for the same old Tory dynasty

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djclimenhaga/2015/05/vote-ndp-vote-chang...

NorthReport

Vote NDP: Daughter of Former Premier Ralph Klein

http://www.660news.com/2015/04/30/vote-ndp-daughter-of-former-premier-ra...

NorthReport

Gordon Dirks gay-straight alliance claims provoke Twitter backlash

Calgary PC candidate says as education minister he made sure students can have GSAs

http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/gordon-dirks-gay-straight...

NorthReport

Calgary-McCall PC door-knocking turns ugly for northeast couple

Residents say one of PC candidate Jagdeep Sahota’s campaign volunteers became abusive when asked to leave

http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/calgary-mccall-pc-door-kn...

NorthReport

"Say my staff member makes $12 an hour and someone else makes $1,200 an hour, they're taxed at the same rate. That's just ridiculous."

http://www.100milefreepress.net/national/302139731.html

DLivings

The big lesson for all of us from this campaign is that Leadership Matters! 

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

"Say my staff member makes $12 an hour and someone else makes $1,200 an hour, they're taxed at the same rate. That's just ridiculous."

http://www.100milefreepress.net/national/302139731.html

It would be great to see Alberta's right-wing 10% flat tax replaced. The NDP's progressive plan would raise personal income tax for incomes over $125,000. It would raise it to 12% on taxable income over $125,000 to $150,000; to 13% on taxable income over $150,000 to $200,000; to 14% on taxable income over $200,000 to $300,000; and to 15% on taxable income over $300,000. It would be better if it also reduced rates for incomes under $40,000. The rate for incomes under $40,000 in BC and Ontario is 5%. The NDP's policy would also be good for the rest of Canada as it would reduce the pressure on other provinces to maintain lower personal tax rates on higher incomes in order to maintain their competitiveness with Alberta.

I think the NDP's plan to raise the corporate tax to 12% on big businesses is also very good. It would match the rate in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Quebec, and New Brunswick. The rate in BC is 11%. The rate in Ontario is 11.5%. It's 14% in Newfoundland and 16% in Nova Scotia and PEI.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

http://www.albertacanada.com/business/overview/competitive-corporate-tax...

NorthReport
NorthReport
NorthReport

Rachel Notley videos reveal why her NDP campaign has caught fire in Alberta


http://www.straight.com/blogra/443051/rachel-notley-videos-reveal-why-he...

NorthReport

Debater's and Prentice's, you know the usual right-wingers fear mongering, is what Notley is talking about here. 

NDP Leader Rachel Notley condemns the Tories’ politics of fear

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Leader+Rachel+Notley+condemns+Tories+poli...

 

NorthReport

Alberta, throw PC bums out

It should come as no surprise that the Alberta Progressive Conservatives are on the verge of being kicked out of office. Much like the federal Liberals by 2006, the Alberta Tories are suffering from the arrogance that comes from too much time in office. We know that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Albertans will cast their ballots on Tuesday and, according to a consensus of polls, they will not be voting PC. It is possible that now, after more than 43 years in power, the PC dynasty in Alberta may finally, finally come to an end.

The PCs do not deserve to win. They are a party so deeply entitled, so terribly dishonest, and so incredibly arrogant, it is more surprising that they continue to win than the possibility they might lose.


http://www.torontosun.com/2015/05/01/alberta-throw-pc-bums-out

NorthReport

Yes!

When are people going to learn there is nothing free about a free enterprise government

Prentice assails NDP, while Notley and Jean vow to reform political financing rules

 

NorthReport

Edmonton business leaders support PC government; NDP dismiss them as ‘PC donors’

http://globalnews.ca/news/1973934/edmonton-business-leaders-support-pc-g...

6079_Smith_W

At this point I hope there are enough troops on the ground to make things happen on election day, because the fact is that the PCs will have a definite advantage in that department.

And this:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/elections/alberta-votes/calgary-mccall-door-knock...

 

NorthReport

This wasn’t the election campaign anyone was expecting

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Graham+Thomson+This+wasn+election+campaig...

NorthReport

3 more days till E-Day

Remember the people here who condone floor-crossing. It is hanging Prentice and may well hang the federal Liberals as well.

Jim Prentice undone when trust became key factor in Alberta election

This was, after all, the leader who, untainted by association with the Redford and prior regimes, was supposed to represent a change from the arrogant and cynical ways of a government that had grown too accustomed to power. Yet here he was slyly arranging the decapitation of what was often said to be the most effective opposition the province had seen in many years. Moreover, it seems to have led him on to other, too-clever calculations: the budget that, with the Wildrose seemingly out of the way, punted on serious reform of spending; and of course, the election call, a year ahead of the date mandated by law.

Add it up, and trust became the key factor in this election. We’ve seen this quite a bit lately in our politics: in Nova Scotia, where the NDP’s Darrell Dexter, having promised neither to cut spending, raise taxes, nor run a deficit, did all three, and was turfed from office; in Manitoba, where another NDP government is in similar straits, for similar reasons; in B.C., where Gordon Campbell was forced out after the HST double-cross. People are fed up with being lied to, fed up with politicians taking them for fools, fed up altogether with too-clever-by-half.

Sure, the Alberta economy is hurting. Sure, rapid population growth is changing Alberta’s demographics. And yes, a lot can still happen in the last 72 hours: even if the polls are a correct snapshot of popular sentiment now, many voters remain undecided, and many more may change their minds — perhaps in response to those same polls, as Albertans reckon with the reality of an NDP government. Turnout, local candidates, the weather: all these, as we have seen, can combine to confound predictions.

But when people decide, deep down, they just can’t trust you, Jack, you dead.


http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-coyne-jim-prentice-undo...

NorthReport

Mr. Prentice doesn't want you to think about his budget

http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=15604

NorthReport

The nutbars are becoming unhinged  Laughing

If we get an Alberta NDP government, only the Tories are to blame  

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/05/01/gunter-if-we-get-an-alberta-ndp-go...

NorthReport

Where is Preston Manning hiding?  

NorthReport

If fear and loathing fail, the Alberta PC party is over

http://www.troymedia.com/2015/05/01/if-fear-and-loathing-fails-alberta-p...

NorthReport

If fear and loathing fails, the Alberta PC party is over

http://www.troymedia.com/2015/05/01/if-fear-and-loathing-fails-alberta-p...

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