Bernie Sanders for President

I think that US politics are skewed so badly that no agenda is really important anymore. For example, they have Trump's crazed agenda being extremely popular, as well as Cruz's. And then we have the Dem side of it.

As opposed to an agenda being the deciding factor, it appears to me that personality will win the day. Bernie comes across as a nice guy while Hilary comes across as grating on the nerves, and that's not just my perception. I'm wondering if any of the women here will find it the same with Hillary?

Then there is Rubio, who in my opinion will go all the way. Strictly becasue his agenda is close enough to being acceptable to the right but mostly because his good looks make it acceptable enough.

Having said that, I have nothing but scorn for their entire system and the fact that even Bernie is not going to be antiwar enough to change anything in their foreign policy to benefit the rest of the world. He's just the best of a lot of bad choices.

jjuares wrote:

monty1 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

monty1

Please give it a break, it's not all about you, and kindly consider others and please take your personal beefs elsewhere, as they don't relate in any way to the topic of the thread.

You're right about it being disruptive and thank you. It was a reaction to another personal attack but I've sought advice to prevent it from continuing.

Maybe a little self reflection would also be useful, Monty.

That's pretty much what I've been doing. By asking for direction to try to understand if my behaviour is outside the limits of forum rules. As it is at the moment, I feel that the problem is nothing more than politics and that's especially true with you. If you want to continue your charges publicly then you can do so. I think that some people are now taking exception to the disruption on the board. Contact me via p.m. if you choose.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

monty1 wrote:

I'm as thick skinned as the next guy but as long as a few individuals continue to keep it up then I'm going to keep fighting against it. It's petty and I've already had one of my chief adversaries admit openly that it wasn't because of some imagined bad beharious by me. Albeit, a slip of the tongue/fingers. Patheric really. Ask kropotkin.

I agree you are pathetic. There we agree on something. Maybe the reason why you are getting so much blow back is because you are a blowhard that tries to use other people in their posts to bolster unsupportable ideas. You tried it with NDPP and now you are trying it with me. Please do not ever try to use my name to bolster anything you say in a post. I find it deeply offensive to be used by someone like you. In less than a month you have insulted countless of this board's long term posters and acted like a jerk by claiming some sort of victory every time someone comes close to agreeing with anything you say. Why are you here did you get run off all the other boards you used to post at. Were most of the people on those sites mean to you as well? Did you spend half your time whining at how unfair every ones is to you?

Lookit, the two of you are never going to agree so I suggest you not engage each other. No one wants to be a captive audience to your spats - the disruption of threads is quite annoying.

NorthReport wrote:

Sanders holding rally in NH to be on CNN live soon.

That Q poll out today has definitely shaken up the D establishment if the DNC Chair Shultz's interview on CNN is any indication.

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Sanders has nailed it about political corruption and the need to reform the political system

Clinton spending more on polling than six GOP candidates combined

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-spending-more-polling-six-gop-candida...

The Democrat party continues it's very visible bias against Sanders and for Clinton. Everybody should have seen that in the debate last night. But if Sanders pulls close to even with Clinton then will the party be able to continue that? Or even want to continue that. They would then be at risk of being outside the system. 

But if the party plays fair and drops the bias toward Clinton then it's going to catch fire and Bernie will get to the nomination. And of course, with the party playing fair, there then becomes an opening for Elizabeth Warren to stick her neck out. Isn't it patently obvious that she's a Bernie supporter who is at risk of being on the losing side if she backs Bernie? She must know that she couldn't turn the tide for Bernie herself if the party stays biased toward Clinton.

alan smithee wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Sanders on SNL tomorrow?

It'll be Larry David doing a bland and unflattering impression.

Well, in general, the political impressions on SNL are unflattering. That's kinda the point.

NorthReport wrote:

Make no mistake the Democratic establishment is in crisis, and definitely do not get it! It shows how out of touch the elites are with the real issues facing the electorate.

And many thought the Republican establishment were the only ones in crisis.

When Bernie met Hillary

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/05/when-bernie-met-hillary...

Not yet. They will know when they are in crisis and that will be when they show us they are going to drop their pro-Clinton bias. Then they will have clear sailing and will have dropped off the ball and chiain of the big money on Wall street. The real agenda of the good guys within the Dem party all along.

Pondering wrote:

monty1 wrote:

As opposed to an agenda being the deciding factor, it appears to me that personality will win the day. Bernie comes across as a nice guy while Hilary comes across as grating on the nerves, and that's not just my perception. I'm wondering if any of the women here will find it the same with Hillary?

Yes but it isn't just personality. It's underlying messages. Obama was perceived to have "stolen" the leadership from Hillary. Her time had come, she paid her dues, first woman president. When she lost to Obama the word was she would just have to wait out the 8 years tops then it would be her turn, she would still be young enough. We would have had the first "black" president and she was next up. She banked on her femaleness as being progressive enough. She sought to prove she had the balls of an old white man but with charm.

Now along comes Bernie, 74, white, yet politically Hillary is the old white man.

An interesting question arises. If it wasn't for Obama and all the racist hate against him, then the current situation may not have come to exist in that country. Something for you to consider and I'll try to expand on that a little later. But for now, consider that the birth of the extremist crazies who are the tea party was a direct reaction to Obama hate. And without the tea party then extremists such as Trump and Cruz wouldn't have found a place in the hearts of Americans. Now consider that Bernie is the left's answer to pulling away from the establishment.

monty1 wrote:

An interesting question arises. If it wasn't for Obama and all the racist hate against him, then the current situation may not have come to exist in that country. Something for you to consider and I'll try to expand on that a little later. But for now, consider that the birth of the extremist crazies who are the tea party was a direct reaction to Obama hate. And without the tea party then extremists such as Trump and Cruz wouldn't have found a place in the hearts of Americans. Now consider that Bernie is the left's answer to pulling away from the establishment.

While it is no doubt correct that much of the right wing hatred of Obama is due to racism, it is not clear that any other Democratic president would have been treated any better. After all, the pattern was set back in the Clinton administration, when the Republicans impeached the president for getting a blow job and lying about it. The right wing media also claimed that the Clintons were guilty of murder, and numerous other actual crimes, none of which ever proved real enough to pursue.

I agree with Charlie Pierce's oft stated theory that the Republican party ate the political equivalent of monkey brains when movement conservatism took over in the late 70s. Since then, the party has suffered from a slowly progressing prion disease, which reached its mad-cow peak with the birth of the Tea Party. The current Republican clown car is the inevitable result of the prion disease.

NorthReport wrote:

The biggest problem for Sanders is probably the superdelegates, which at 712, amount to approximately one third of the 2,382 delegates required to win the nomination. Is the fix already in for Hillary? 

If Sanders were to win the primaries convincingly (highly unlikely) they wouldn't block him. Other than that they will go to Clinton by a large margin.

MegB wrote:

Personal attack Kropotkin.

Lookit, the two of you are never going to agree so I suggest you not engage each other. No one wants to be a captive audience to your spats - the disruption of threads is quite annoying.

As always you are absolutely right.

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmk3VhMTbQ]Bernie Sanders is one scary dude[/url]

Bernie Sanders: The Trans Pacific Partnership is a 'Disastrous' Deal for the Middle Class

https://t.co/YECSBMLtSQ

"Remind us why Canada signed this again..?"

NorthReport wrote:

Bernie Sanders has completely erased Hillary Clinton's lead in the Democratic primary

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-and-hillary-clintons-tied-...

If true and not biased media then we will see very shortly because MSNBC is going to have to change it's stripes. They have been extremely outward ly biased toward Clinton. So much so that it make me embarrassed for them to even call themselves a media outlet and not campaign heaadquarters for Clinton. Now, if true, they're going to have to at least sort of surreptiously drift to middle ground.

Good on the screeching Rachel Maddow who has been the biggest cheer leader for Clinton. I would love to see her knocked off her perch as the star performer on that gong show.

takeitslowly wrote:

i heard from another ndp voter that trudeau is like bernie sanders, i am so tired of it. canadians are so stupid and ignorant. its hopeless

That is a ridiculous statement. Unless Bernie gets elected and then begins to do the bidding of corporations rather than the people who voted for him I don't see how anyone could make such a comparison.  Bernie has a long history of fighting the fight and walking the walk. Trudeau is a pretty face elected as leader of the Liberals to run from the left so he can front for our home grown oligarchy. He is very much like his Liberal clone in BC Christy Clark.

NorthReport wrote:

Josh or anyone What is criteria to vote in democratic primaries How long does one have to be a member etc

It is my understanding that each state has its own process and the actual rules vary. Some states do not even require a membership in the party conducting the primary.

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States with an open presidential primary

• Alabama
• Arkansas
• Georgia
• Hawaii (Open primary for state, local, and congressional races; closed caucus system for presidential races.)
• Illinois
• Indiana
• Massachusetts (All races' primaries open for "unenrolled"/unaffiliated voters only)
• Michigan
• Minnesota
• Mississippi
• Missouri
• North Carolina
• North Dakota
• South Carolina
• Tennessee
• Texas
• Vermont
• Virginia
• Wisconsin[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_primaries_in_the_United_States