2014 Winnipeg municipal elections

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Debater

Congratulations to Brian Bowman for becoming the first aboriginal mayor of a "big Canadian city" (as the press is calling it tonight). Smile

Aristotleded24

Debater wrote:
Congratulations to Brian Bowman for becoming the first aboriginal mayor of a "big Canadian city" (as the press is calling it tonight). Smile

Uh, Bowman is not Aboriginal.

Debater

Winnipeg CTV has coverage of Bowman's victory speech:

http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=474676&binId=1.1164782&playlistP...

Cute guy, btw.

Debater

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Debater wrote:
Congratulations to Brian Bowman for becoming the first aboriginal mayor of a "big Canadian city" (as the press is calling it tonight). Smile

Uh, Bowman is not Aboriginal.

  Aboriginal Circle ‏@aboriginaltweet

Métis @BrianBowmanWpg becomes first Aboriginal mayor of a large Canadian city

https://twitter.com/aboriginaltweet/status/525113268747382785

PrairieDemocrat15

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Aristotleded24

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:
Aristotleded24, didn't Katz popularity only fall off a cliff after 2010, when the fire hall shit hit the fan?

His popularity did crater after that point, but he was still strongly disliked in the lead-up to the 2010 election, to the point that Judy and Sam were tied in the opening portion of that particular campaign. We've had detailed discussions [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/prairies/who-running-mayor-winnipeg]here,[/url] [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/prairies/winnipeg-mayor-katz-turns-down-aborigin... and [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/prairies/winnipeg-council-lefties-brace-right-ho... but essentially Katz was able to whip up fear of the NDP taking City Hall (while lying about property tax increases), and Judy was not able to withstand the pressure of being in the spotlight, and couldn't face a hostile crowd and defend herself outside of an NDP-friendly base. Essentially, what you noted about her debating and speaking abilities, she had those exact same issues in 2010. I also had a sense that people wanted change, but being unsure about what Judy offered, they reluctantly went with the devil they knew.

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:
The most shocking thing I learned tonight, however, is that RFO's main campaign guy, a U of W professor named Malcom Bird, belives Aboriginal poverty and social exclusion are not important issues for Winnipeg!

I'd like to know more information about that.

PrairieDemocrat15

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Aristotleded24

Absolutely, PD. His support was starting to fracture earlier this year. That's why you saw former Katz allies Havixbeck, Steeves, and Fielding throw their hats into the ring before Katz had announced his intentions. This was confirmed when polls came out which we've already talked about on this thread which had Katz well below everyone else. He knew he wouldn't win, so that's why he stepped aside.

That's another reason Judy failed tonight, because I get the sense her supporters wanted a rematch of 2010 and weren't prepared for how the ground had shifted in the last 4 years.

Aristotleded24

In a way, these results are a repudiation of the Katz years. Katz' 2 council allies, Havixbeck and Steeves, did very poorly and lost ground from where they had been in the campaign. Katz council allies Swandel, Nordman, and Steen are gone, the latter 2 were defeated.

From a gender perspective, Gillroy and Lukes will join council with Havixbeck leaving, which slightly increases the representation of women councillors.

PrairieDemocrat15

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PrairieDemocrat15

.icult than it already will be for Bowman to implement his plans.

Webgear

I am very happy that Robert-Falcon Ouelette did so well last night. He had a great finish.  

genstrike

I think the only good thing about the mayoral results was that Judy was creamed badly enough that it should provoke some serious soul-searching. Had it been close, then those backing Judy would have found something to blame -- RFO for stealing votes that Judy was somehow rightfully entitled to, people not inspired enough by her thoroughly uninspiring campaign to vote and volunteer for her, etc. With barely a quarter of the vote, and no way to blame it on vote-splitting, the NDP/labour machine has no one to blame but themselves for this one. Maybe it will provoke some soul searching and analysis as to why they lost. That may be a long shot though; I don't think the labour/NDP machine in Manitoba has the answers or even the willingness to ask the questions.

On the other hand, the provincial PCs no doubt took note of Bowman's performance and may decide not to run a Steeves-esque campaign next election. I doubt that as well though; I'm not sure they have the brains or talent to do anything but run another dolt and hope that fifth time is the charm.

adma

And of course, all those the parallels btw/ Bowman vs W-L in Winnipeg and Tory vs Chow in Toronto.  (Indeed, it'd be interesting if, after everything, Chow still winds up with a higher share in Toronto than W-L managed in Winnipeg)

Aristotleded24

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:
Finally, A24, what's your take on how the new council will operate? Will the right maintain the control its had over city politics since at least 2006?

In the absence of a polarizing figure like Sam Katz or Gord Steeves, I honestly think many (if not most) votes and issues won't break down on clear left-right lines, and we may have some pleasant surprises. I already stated that Lukes will be an ally on issues of active transportation, and it was her activity on that file which helped her win. I also wouldn't classify Sharma as a hard-right councillor either, I generally have the sense that she's one who will go where the wind blows. This is also a long-shot, but ghoris mentioned that Browaty will probably take over for Bonnie Mitchellson, so a jump there would open up a by-election opportunity.

I heard Gerbasi's comments on the mayoral race, and while she was clearly disappointed that Judy didn't win, she also expressed a willingness to see how things went. I think if Bowman were to make use of her talent on EPC that would show a tremendous amount of goodwill. She would certainly be his strongest ally on the rapid transit file.

I'm also curious as to why you placed Dobson on the right end of the spectrum, given that he's run against Nordman several times before.

terrytowel

I feel bad for Judy, but people clearly wanted a 'non-politician' someone who represented change.

And with the large Aboriginal population, that community came out for Bowman. To have a chance to put an Aboriginal in the top job.

btw Judy says she is finished with politics. She plans to retire from elected office and do volunteer and community work.

genstrike

terrytowel wrote:

And with the large Aboriginal population, that community came out for Bowman. To have a chance to put an Aboriginal in the top job.

(citation needed)

terrytowel

genstrike wrote:
terrytowel wrote:

And with the large Aboriginal population, that community came out for Bowman. To have a chance to put an Aboriginal in the top job.

(citation needed)

Just speculating.

Bowman is a CONSERVATIVE!

But Judy's biggest mistake was not saying in the final days

"You can vote to stop Conservative Brian Bowman. But you can't vote Robert-Falcon Ouellette to stop him. That actually won't work"

or

"If you want to stop Conservative Brian Bowman, you cannot vote for Robert-Falcon Ouellette"

If she said that she would have won.

genstrike

terrytowel wrote:

Just speculating.

But Judy's biggest mistake was not saying in the final days

"You can vote to stop Brian Bowman. But you can't vote Robert-Falcon Ouellette to stop him. That actually won't work"

or

"If you want to stop Brian Bowman, you cannot vote for Robert-Falcon Ouellette"

As Bowman is a CONSERVATIVE!

If she said that she would have won.

First off, I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that Winnipeg's aboriginal population came out for Bowman, especially when Robert Falcon Ouellette really connected with a lot of aboriginal people in Winnipeg.

Second, even if you make the generous and unrealistic assumptions that all RFO voters (and, why not, let's throw in Sanders voters as well) had Judy as a second choice, and would have voted for another candidate, And that somehow Judy is entitled to every vote that RFO earned, even if every RFO voter changed their vote to Judy, she still would have lost by a wide margin.

Third, in the final days of the campaign when it became war that Judy didn't have it in the bag, a lot of her supporters did precisely that. Obviously they failed, because "I'm not Bowman" isn't exactly an inspiring selling point. I think some prominent New Democrat once said something about hope being better than fear?

terrytowel

If Judy advocated strategic voting against a Conservative who would gut city services, she would have won.

It worked with Kathleen Wynne.

genstrike

terrytowel wrote:

If Judy advocated strategic voting against a Conservative who would gut city services, she would have won.

It worked with Kathleen Wynne.

No, she wouldn't have. The Ontario election is not the Winnipeg election. Even if you add the votes of everyone but Steeves and Bowman together and put them in Judy's column (which is, of course, extremely optimistic to say the least) that's still over 10,000 votes short of Bowman's total. The idea that she could have somehow peeled away more RFO voters from RFO than the number of people who actually voted for RFO is just plain wrong.

Not to mention that her suppprters actually did what you are suggesting. In the days leading up to the election, I saw a lot of Judy supporters trying desperately to convince RFO voters to vote strategically for Judy. It didn't work because RFO ran a much more inspiring (if sometimes naive) campaign than Judy, and "vote for me because I'm not Bowman" is literally the least inspiring campaign strategy possible.

Finally, a negative campaign could have easily backfired given Bowman's nice guy outsider image and the perception of Judy as a career politician.

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Maybe it was the Metro cover wrap that put Bowman over the edge.Smile

Debater

terrytowel wrote:

btw Judy says she is finished with politics. She plans to retire from elected office and do volunteer and community work.

So Judy has already announced that she is leaving politics for good?

It's possible that she wouldn't even necessarily win back Winnipeg North if she were to run against Kevin Lamoureux.  It would be a close contest, but there would be no guarantees.  Things have changed in the nearly 5 years that have passed since she held the riding.

Aristotleded24

genstrike wrote:
Finally, a negative campaign could have easily backfired given Bowman's nice guy outsider image and the perception of Judy as a career politician.

I think that flyer that she put out about Bowman may have backfired for that same reason.

ghoris

It probably did. Winnipeg voters have historically had no hesitation in voting for relative political neophytes for Mayor. Of the seven Mayors elected since Unicity, only two were sitting Councillors (Robert Steen and Glen Murray)' and three had never previously held elected office prior to being elected Mayor (Susan Thompson, Sam Katz and Brian Bowman).

terrytowel

genstrike wrote:

No, she wouldn't have. The Ontario election is not the Winnipeg election. Even if you add the votes of everyone but Steeves and Bowman together and put them in Judy's column (which is, of course, extremely optimistic to say the least) that's still over 10,000 votes short of Bowman's total. The idea that she could have somehow peeled away more RFO voters from RFO than the number of people who actually voted for RFO is just plain wrong.

Not to mention that her suppprters actually did what you are suggesting. In the days leading up to the election, I saw a lot of Judy supporters trying desperately to convince RFO voters to vote strategically for Judy. It didn't work because RFO ran a much more inspiring (if sometimes naive) campaign than Judy, and "vote for me because I'm not Bowman" is literally the least inspiring campaign strategy possible.

Then why is it working for John Tory who is saying

"If you want to stop Ford, you cannot vote for Olivia Chow"

And now he is ahead by 14 points!

genstrike wrote:

Finally, a negative campaign could have easily backfired given Bowman's nice guy outsider image and the perception of Judy as a career politician.

I can see on that point because no matter what Olivia is doing (even going negative) nothing is working.

 

terrytowel

Debater wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

btw Judy says she is finished with politics. She plans to retire from elected office and do volunteer and community work.

So Judy has already announced that she is leaving politics for good?

It's possible that she wouldn't even necessarily win back Winnipeg North if she were to run against Kevin Lamoureux.  It would be a close contest, but there would be no guarantees.  Things have changed in the nearly 5 years that have passed since she held the riding.

Judy has no interest in being an MP, it is a been there done that.

genstrike

terrytowel wrote:

genstrike wrote:

No, she wouldn't have. The Ontario election is not the Winnipeg election. Even if you add the votes of everyone but Steeves and Bowman together and put them in Judy's column (which is, of course, extremely optimistic to say the least) that's still over 10,000 votes short of Bowman's total. The idea that she could have somehow peeled away more RFO voters from RFO than the number of people who actually voted for RFO is just plain wrong.

Not to mention that her suppprters actually did what you are suggesting. In the days leading up to the election, I saw a lot of Judy supporters trying desperately to convince RFO voters to vote strategically for Judy. It didn't work because RFO ran a much more inspiring (if sometimes naive) campaign than Judy, and "vote for me because I'm not Bowman" is literally the least inspiring campaign strategy possible.

Then why is it working for John Tory who is saying

"If you want to stop Ford, you cannot vote for Olivia Chow"

And now he is ahead by 14 points!

Because Judy Wascylycia-Leis is not John Tory, Brian Bowman is not Doug Ford, and Toronto is not Winnipeg?

Stockholm

I suppose we can speculate that if Steeves (who i regard as kind of the Winnipeg equivalent of the Fords) had held on to second place in the last polls the election would have polarized into a Judy vs. Steeves contest and i suspect that Steeves "vote universe" was much smaller than Bowman's. Judy could have won against someone polarizing and hard-right like Steeves...but it was harder against a new face who had no record and who was harder to depict as a dangerous rightwing...in any case since Winnipeg has had a rightwing mayor for virtually its entire history - people don't know things can ever be better!

PrairieDemocrat15

Aristotleded24 wrote:

I'm also curious as to why you placed Dobson on the right end of the spectrum, given that he's run against Nordman several times before.

I answered this earler, but I'll repeat. I assumed he's on the right end of things becuase he represents a ward that tends to elect right-leaning councillors. I now admit that was an unfair assumption. However, just becuase he ran against Nordman doesn't necessarily mean he is a lefty. Gilroy and Bellamy both ran against Smith, and I wouldn't call either of them conservative.

I'll reserve judgment of Dobson and do hope he will be a decent councillor. There's not much info on him, but from what I can tell he was a transit worker for his local school division. We'll see, I guess.

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jas

The Analyst wrote:

Analysis of how RFO mobilized disenfrancised communities and map of distribution of support for candidates.

Interesting. It also looks to me like a map of what complacency does for JWL. As much as I would have supported her, there's no excuse for languishing through two elections in a row. I can only assume she really didn't want it that much.

 

ETA conspiracy theory: She was actually paid off both times to make waste of the left vote?? [/ct]

Aristotleded24

[url=http://enmasse.ca/?p=169]This is what happened in Manitoba's 2 big cities on the 22nd[/url]

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/rookie-councilllor-takes-tour-of-... councillor-elect reaches out:[/url]

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Lukes has been setting up ward tours with her fellow councillors-elect across the city.

She said it's her way of getting a better grasp of issues outside her own ward. 

"I want to get to know our councillors better, the people I am going to working with the next four years," she said. "It's all fresh in their minds, what they have heard from the people. And hopefully by meeting them they are going to share that with me and I am going to have a better understanding of the city from their perspective."

ghoris

Apparently the new EPC members will be unveiled by Mayor Bowman at tomorrow's swearing-in ceremony. Which I guess means the councillors have already decided amongst themselves who should be appointed. I presumed that would happen at the organizational meeting of council on November 12. I wonder if they had some sort of formal secret ballot or if Bowman informally polled each councillor one-on-one?

From what I gather, most people are betting on Jeff Browaty, Jenny Gerbasi and Brian Mayes to make the cut. Of the rookies, Janice Lukes and Cindy Gilroy seem to be the most likely candidates. Then there's the wild cards like Matt Allard, Mike Pagtakhan, John Orlikow and Russ "Wild Card" Wyatt.

 

PrairieDemocrat15

.th be on it.

Aristotleded24

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:
ghoris wrote:

Apparently the new EPC members will be unveiled by Mayor Bowman at tomorrow's swearing-in ceremony. Which I guess means the councillors have already decided amongst themselves who should be appointed. I presumed that would happen at the organizational meeting of council on November 12. I wonder if they had some sort of formal secret ballot or if Bowman informally polled each councillor one-on-one?

Sounds like backroom "old-school politics" to me. It seems Bowman is just having private conversations with councillors before he selects "his" EPC. If that's the case, its a far cry from his election pledge of having council elect the EPC.

It was the Filmon government that gave discretion for the mayor to appoint his or her EPC, so even if Bowman follows through on his promise, the only way to stop the next mayor from stacking the EPC with loyal followers is a change in legislation. That model that Filmon introduced has to go. It was this system that produced 2 of the worst mayors the City ever elected (Thompson and Katz). What's also striking is that of the 3 mayors who were elected under this system (Thompson, Murray, Katz) when each mayor left, the voters gave a strong reputiation of the outgoing mayor's administrations the next chance they had in the general election. I think the structure giving the mayor near dictatorial powers made voters hungry for a change.

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/Legislation-requires-appointment-... your new EPC:[/url]

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Councillor Jeff Browaty - (North Kildonan) Chair of Protection and Community Services

Councillor Janice Lukes - (St. Norbert) Acting Deputy Mayor, Chair of Infrastructure Renewal and Public Works

Councillor Brian Mayes - (St. Vital) Chair of Downtown Development, Heritage and Riverbank Management

Councillor Marty Morantz - (Charleswood-Tuxedo) Chair of Finance

Councillor John Orlikow - (River Heights-Fort Garry) Chair of Property and Development

Councillor Mike Pagtakhan - (Point Douglas) Deputy Mayor

I'm disappointed to see Pagtakhan as Deputy Mayor, I have never seen him as a leadership type. While I respect his abilities, I also have to question the appointment of Brian Mayes as Downtown Development. Wouldn't one of the councillors representing downtown wards (i.e. Gerbasi, Gillroy) have been a better fit?

On the bright side, Orlikow is on, and I think he'll do a good job.

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/from-the-cbc-archives-greg-seling... trip down memory lane[/url]

*Sigh,* if only our progressive politicians today could be as open and forthright and honest as the WIN group was portrayed in that clip. Frown

Unionist

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/judy-wasylycia-leis-asks-supporte... Wasylycia-Leis asks supporters for $20K[/url]

No comment.

 

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/mr-happys-smile-turn... Bowman's honeymoon over?[/url]

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Sanders made a crack about the delegation of too much authority to the public service, evoking the old adage of absolute power corrupting absolutely. That's when the happy-go-lucky Bowman stopped smiling.

"I trust that you are not implying or in any way shape or form inferring that any individual is 'corrupt,' " Bowman told Sanders. "I am sure you are well aware of the laws of defamation and would not be opening yourself up to that sort of legal action."

With all due respect to Winnipeg's privacy lawyer of a mayor, it's impossible to defame "the administration" or any other group of people in Canada. Sanders, another lawyer, came nowhere near the defamation bar.

Far more significantly, Winnipeg's newly elected mayor wasted only weeks before he resorted to something Katz never did -- using libel chill to try to silence a committee delegate.

Sure, Sanders can be annoying. But so could the late Nick Ternette, another activist who displayed a passionate commitment to his city. Bowman must develop a thick enough skin to tolerate well-intentioned criticism, even when it's harsh.

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-councillors-vote-against... has lost his first vote as mayor:[/url]

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Winnipeg city council has voted 10-6 against a cost-cutting measure, proposed by Mayor Brian Bowman, that would end severance payments for council members who retire or get voted out of office.

The vote came following hours of lively discussion on Wednesday, with councillors speaking passionately on both sides of the debate.

Council did vote in favour of reducing salary top-ups for the mayor, committee chairs and speakers, as well as trimming the expenses they can take from their ward allowances.

I can't believe Bowman actually said this:

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Bowman said no one has cushy careers to go back to after leaving politics. He insisted that severance payments are a "political payout" of sorts.

Aristotleded24

I know it's early days, but is it possible that Bowman's coalition is starting to show cracks? Consider his [url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/chipman-fires-shot-at-mayor-29088... with Mark Chipman,[/url] and now the proposed budget apparently [url=http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/poor-to-bear-brunt-of-city-cuts-2... recreational facilities in lower income areas.[/url] Not to mention that he is going full speed ahead on the rapid transit detour (without even figuring out how he was going to pay for it) even though it's apparently going to cost more to go down the hydro corridor than previously estimated (ironic, since we were told as a City that the detour would be less costly than running the corridor where the actual transit traffic is). Plus, after Morantz rightly asked police officials tough questions about their budget, Bowman held a press conference with Chief Clunis to say that relations between the city and police were all fine and dandy.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he was elected even though I didn't vote for him, but now? He seems to be more about projecting a happy image of everything, rather than making tough choices as Mayor (unless those choices are tough on people without much money, which seems to be SOP with politicians across the spectrum these days). Plus, he (along with Falcon-Ouelette, for that matter) seem to have made it through the campaign without much scrutiny. Maybe I'll vote for someone different in 2018.

Any other thoughts from our Winnipeg contingent?

rhubarb

Given Mark Chipman's endorsement of Bowman, I would not have voted for him but I am finding it interesting to see how quickly that support has disappeared with Chipman taking the, "I'm so hurt,how could you question my integrity stance?" and the media full out supporting this view.  Is this the same Mark Chipman of True North who betrayed the IATSE workers when the new arena was built?  I think so.  It seems to me that back room deals have been the order of the day in Winnipeg since who knows when, perhaps those involved thought Bowman was just a fresh face to paste on the ongoing corruption and perhaps he is not quite willing to go along with it which would explain why he is being attacked on this front. 

 

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/minor-increase-to-business-tax-wi... Ross Eadie and Jason Schreyer call on city to increase business taxes:[/url]

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Coun. Ross Eadie said Wednesday he would like to lessen the property tax burden shouldered by Winnipeg homeowners by raising the business tax by about 0.1 per cent.

Eadie said the business property values are dropping while home values are shooting up, and by raising the business tax the city could generate approximately $1.4 million.

“Business is not hurting in terms of taxation,” said Eadie.

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/brandon-braces-for-44-hike-in-wat...'t Rick Chrest elected specifically on a platform to end the high-tax era of the former mayor Decter-Hirst?[/url]

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Residents of Brandon, Man. are bracing for a possible rate increase of 44 per cent over the next half decade, pending approval from the Public Utilities Board.

"It's certainly not a matter of wanting to charge more," Brandon Mayor Rick Chrest told CBC's Radio Noon.

Following a utility rate study, the rate increase is needed to compensate for capital expenses to keep up with increasingly stringent standards in both water and sewage utilities, Chrest said. He added that initially the utilities board wanted the increase to happen over three years, but council wanted a more gradual increase.

Aristotleded24

With the PCs headed for election tomorrow, is there any chance that Pallister's hard-right government cracks Bowman's coalition, and could this pave the way for a challenger to a mayor who has, thus far, avoided any major public gaffes?

Aristotleded24

There has been a major development that needs to be talked about in Winnipeg politics, and that is the growth fee. Essentially developers would pay for new suburban development. Despite [url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/epc-growth-fees-1.3811653]backlash from the developer community,[/url] Bowman and his EPC have approved it, and it will probably be approved by council as well. There is also [url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/growth-fees-winnipeg-probe-poll-1... public support for the idea as well.[/url]

What does this mean? If this goes through, I think Bowman's re-election in 2 years is assured. True the proposals were watered down, and there is the aspect that fees will eventually be applied to infill developments. What Bowman has done is accepted the principle that developers should pay their fair share. There is long-standing resentment among citizens that the city is controlled by special interest, particularly developers who profit by building McMansions at the edges of the city at everyone else's expense. This vote will be perceived as having taken on these special interests. It wouldn't even surprise me if the left doesn't even contest the Mayor's chair in a serious way, especially if Bowman faces a hard-right pro-developer challenger, then strategic voting, blah blah blah blah. I think the best strategy for the left in 2 years anyways should be to take a solid majority of council seats and advocate for progressive policies that way, although the structure of the EPC still prevents council from effectively challenging the Mayor.

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