Drug Policy

I'm not at all surprised, but that won't convince the Cons.

We've been having a serious problem here in Montréal with very dangerous street drugs, as you may have read.

I hate what overuse does to people but prohibition is not and has not ever worked. The violence is part of prohbition like Al Capone. Legalization and regulation is better than unsafe and jail.

http://montrealsimon.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-con-clown-rona-ambrose-and-...

Doug Woodard wrote:

UK - The burning conservative case for legalising cannabis:

http://gu.com/p/4b3hh/sbl

 

Finally a piece from an established media outlet laying out the same plan I've been pushing for 30 years.

Too bad we live in a totalitarian state. As long as Mussolini remains PM,the WORSE marijauna policy will become. We're going backward. And your typical Canadian is blissfully ignorant to the fascistic state of Canada.

Iran to legalize cannabis and opium.

It's pathetic when a theocracy is more progressive than so-called 'democratic ' Canada.

Hell,for years the Iranian state paid for sex change assignment. I believe now they changed that to a system like our University loans and grants program.

I'm very skeptical when anyone,over 70 years after the fact,can find something new about Hitler.

Latest thing said about him (apart from allegedly having bad gas and a micro penis) is that he was doing methamphetamine. It raises questions. I've been involved with 'drug culture' for a long time and as I understand it,meth first hit the streets in the late 60's as 'crank' and even that was not what is sold today as meth.

When people come up with new 'information' pertaining to Hitler,it just comes across as a smear. He's long dead. Move on,already.

People like to overlook the fact that he was a Christian,anti-union,anti-communist right wing ideologue, Come to think of it,he'd fit in just fine with today's Conservatives (worldwide)

He used socialism but was not a socialist in the sense of social justice. The Nazis were socialist by party brand exclusively. They and Hitler were totalitarians and authoritarians (sorry for the redundancy)

In any case soldiers,including American and Canadian soldiers,were quite possibly using amphetamine. It's a drug made for killing machines.

But meth? I think you'd have to be on meth to believe that.

BTW,thanks for the link,Magoo.

Doug Woodard wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I'm very skeptical when anyone,over 70 years after the fact,can find something new about Hitler.

Latest thing said about him (apart from allegedly having bad gas and a micro penis) is that he was doing methamphetamine. It raises questions. I've been involved with 'drug culture' for a long time and as I understand it,meth first hit the streets in the late 60's as 'crank' and even that was not what is sold today as meth.

When people come up with new 'information' pertaining to Hitler,it just comes across as a smear. He's long dead. Move on,already.

Hitler's drug problems, his doctor's involvement, and the use of drugs by the German armed forces are things that have long been known in a vaguer, more disconnected way. I think that a systematic expansion of this knowledge has usefulness in increasing our understanding of history.

OK. I'm not totally informed about Hitler's drug use. But methamphetamine did NOT exist in the 1930's and 40's. Heroin,cocaine,quaaludes and amphetamine existed.

I believe LSD was discovered in 1943 but clearly,the Nazis were not tripping. As an aside,LSD was used experimentally by the US military in the 50's. Their findings were the soldiers could not or would not make them capable of combat.

So if 5 years from now someone 'discovers' Hitler was a crackhead. It would be obvious hyperbole and just another smear against him to 'dehumanize' him. And people have been doing it for years.

What I don't get is that Hitler doesn't need to be shamed or dehumanized. He accomplished that himself.

I don't think it's a stretch to tie the Nazis with amphetamine. Amphetamine is still used to this day by militaries.

But no one was smoking or injecting methamphetamine. Especially smoking something since the Nazis and Hitler in particular were very anti-smoking.Plus,that drug didn't exist back then.

mark_alfred wrote:

was sold in tablet form under the brand name Pervitin.

Yes a strong amphetimine. Not meth.

alan smithee wrote:

I'm very skeptical when anyone,over 70 years after the fact,can find something new about Hitler.

Latest thing said about him (apart from allegedly having bad gas and a micro penis) is that he was doing methamphetamine. It raises questions. I've been involved with 'drug culture' for a long time and as I understand it,meth first hit the streets in the late 60's as 'crank' and even that was not what is sold today as meth.

When people come up with new 'information' pertaining to Hitler,it just comes across as a smear. He's long dead. Move on,already.

I heard that Hitler was a vegetarian using methamphetamine at least 15 years ago.

Wikipedia will tell you that methamphetamine was discoverd in 1893.  That sounds about what I might have guessed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

Quote:

During World War II, methamphetamine was sold in tablet form under the brand name Pervitin, produced by the Berlin-based Temmler pharmaceutical company. It was used extensively by all branches of the combined Wehrmacht armed forces of the Third Reich, and was popular with Luftwaffe pilots in particular, for its performance-enhancing stimulant effects and to induce extended wakefulness.[134][135] Pervitin became colloquially known among the German troops as "Stuka-Tablets" (Stuka-Tabletten) and "Herman-Göring-Pills" (Hermann-Göring-Pillen).

I have also heard that Japanese Kamikaze pilots were taking meth, but there doesn't seem to be much online corroboration of that.  Although methamphetamine was first synthesized in Japan so it seems feasible enough.

alan smithee wrote:

BTW,there is a drug native to Columbia that when inhaled causes the person to become a zombie who can't resist suggestion and will empty their bank accounts and forget about the entire act.

It's called scopolamine and is way more commonly used in medicine than you make it sound. If you've ever used a motion sickness patch, you've used it. Nor is it a magic bullet for turning someone into a zombie -- it reduces inhibition and affects your memory, but so does alcohol. It does, however, check all the boxes for a media-driven moral drug panic. See what foreign product will steal your children from you next!

In large doses a lack of free will, Amnesia can occur, leaving the victim powerless to recall events or identify perpetrators.

I don't recall saying anything about 'blowing it in one's face' I did say inhale.

Nevertheless,

Usual dose is 1mg when used medically. So I'm gonna go on a limb and say shower all the rebels and jihadists (like there's a difference) , large doses of scopolamine absorded through the skin would render helpless. Or for maximum effect,pollute their drinking water with it.

alan smithee wrote:

In large doses a lack of free will, Amnesia can occur, leaving the victim powerless to recall events or identify perpetrators.

The same's true of the stuff they gave me for my dental surgery. In that case, an anesthesiologist was monitoring my breathing, though. Amateur mass drugging is a little trickier.

alan smithee wrote:

So I'm gonna go on a limb and say shower all the rebels and jihadists (like there's a difference) , large doses of scopolamine absorded through the skin would render helpless. Or for maximum effect,pollute their drinking water with it.

Do you have a method of targeting chemical weapons superior to all their previous users? If not, how is this tactic any different than "bomb their territory into oblivion"? Because it leaves the furniture intact?

MDMA lollipops via air drop, all over the middle east.

My better plan is MDMA lollipop air drop.

Drugging the water supply is some ridiculous hippie fantasy that would never actually be feasible, for piles of various reasons.

All you'd need to do is:

1.  go to Google Maps and type in "the water supply".  The red pin on the map will tell you where to go

2.  the water supply is probably just some big open, unguarded thing, so driving up there to dump some chemicals shouldn't be a problem

3.  dump them in!  As a basic recipe, a half milligram per litre of water should suffice, so maybe... I don't know, 50 kilograms??

4.  as a courtesy, perhaps send an anonymous e-mail to local hospitals advising them to be on the lookout for scopolamine overdoses (Did we do the math right?  Maybe it was only supposed to be FIVE kilograms!??)

5.  airdrop bags of pretzels and salty nuts.  This only works if everyone pretty much drinks a litre of water immediately

6.  wait an hour or so until the locals are all good and suggestible, then air-drop the Bibles and democracy pamphlets!

7.  it's got a half-life of about five hours, so soaking those Bibles and pamphlets in more scopolamine might not be the worst idea

8.  likewise, more pretzels and peanuts

i don't want to sign up. what does this mean preventing a cannabis lobby?

Next month I'll report what the current policy of marijuana possession is in Canada.