So are you saying that they haven't lost anything... they just have to open an account with a new bank?
Banning Russian media: Has it begun in the West?
Thu, 2016-10-20 19:01
#52
Thu, 2016-10-20 20:53
#53
Timebandit
Oh, it's much worse! They have to apply for a credit card and an operating line of credit, too. Poor darlings.
Thu, 2016-10-20 22:03
#54
Of course it is worth pointing out that the U.K. is unique among developed nations in allowing foreign ownership of media. In the U.S. that is limited to 25 percent, and in Russia and Canada it is 20 percent.
So Russia complaining about these allegations is kind of hypocritical. And that's without even getting into their wholesale government takeover of media.
Mon, 2016-10-24 10:54
#55
ikosmos
offguardian: West is Gunning for Russian Media Ban by Finian Cunningham, via Strategic Culture
Western governments are displaying the standards of a despot.
Unable to get their absolute way, including violating international law and going to war whenever and wherever they want, they then lash out at resistant nations like Russia, to the point where Russia is being labelled as an enemy state liable for military attack.
And when news media expose these criminal Western double standards and hypocrisies, then such media are also lambasted as enemy propaganda that must be shut off and banned.
Western decadence is truly sinking into the gutter or corruption and absurdity. That is a fate of its own making due to its own internal collapse of oligarchic mis-rule and warmongering. And the Western public increasingly know that, with or without Russian assistance.
Shooting the messenger, doesn’t alter that message.
Mon, 2016-10-24 11:16
#56
swallow
Yet again, not a word in that article provides any evidence that there are any plans for anyone to "ban" anything.
Mon, 2016-10-24 11:52
#57
ikosmos
"Western decadence is truly sinking into the gutter of corruption and absurdity. That is a fate of its own making due to its own internal collapse of oligarchic mis-rule and warmongering. And the Western public increasingly know that, with or without Russian assistance.
Shooting the messenger, doesn’t alter that message."
Mon, 2016-10-24 13:04
#58
Timebandit
Goes to show that opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one.
Claims that aren't backed up, though, that's a little beyond opinion. Nobody's been banned or seems to be getting banned imminently. Just a lot of fraught opinionating.
Mon, 2016-10-24 15:11
#59
Of course it is worth pointing out that the U.K. is unique among developed nations in allowing foreign ownership of media. In the U.S. that is limited to 25 percent, and in Russia and Canada it is 20 percent.
So Russia complaining about these allegations is kind of hypocritical. And that's without even getting into their wholesale government takeover of media.
A Russian news corporation has a problem with a UK bank and this is your comment. LMAO You seem to be very taken with the Putin conspiracy theories. I think he is the incarnation of Rasputin myself.
Mon, 2016-10-24 15:23
#60
Yes, kropotkin. If they want to spin it as interference by the government (and now by BBC) with absolutely no evidence to back it up, and if Sergei Lavrov is going to refer to it as “squeezing alternative voices out of UK media space” and say “Never do to others what you don’t want them to do to you.” it is worth pointing out that if the UK had the same foreign ownership rules as Russia RT wouldn't be there at all.
And it is you bringing up the Russian stereotypes, not me.
Mon, 2016-10-24 18:36
#61
Now its the boogeyman "they" as in if "they" want to spin it. Yes I agree that "they" are the problem whoever the fuck "they" are. Too you the "they" that is to blame is obviously Russian. We know you hate Russia and anything Russian so actually posting that little diatribe was totally unnecessary.
Mon, 2016-10-24 19:15
#62
Timebandit
Don't be ridiculous. Nobody here hates Russia itself or "everything Russian" just because they're critical of Russia's government and political leader. That's the same argument that's used to make any political criticism of Israel antisemitism.
Mon, 2016-10-24 19:28
#63
Now its the boogeyman "they" as in if "they" want to spin it. Yes I agree that "they" are the problem whoever the fuck "they" are. Too you the "they" that is to blame is obviously Russian. We know you hate Russia and anything Russian so actually posting that little diatribe was totally unnecessary.
*sigh*
No, no faceless Russian bogeyman.
If you were reading my comment it should be pretty clear "they" refers to Sergei Lavrov, whom I quoted. But I used the plural because we were just talking about the same charges being made by RT.
Did I really need to spell that out for you? And did you have something to add to the conversation, or are you just here to bait? That's two in a row now.
Mon, 2016-10-24 19:36
#64
Don't be ridiculous. Nobody here hates Russia itself or "everything Russian" just because they're critical of Russia's government and political leader. That's the same argument that's used to make any political criticism of Israel antisemitism.
I think that these claims of persecution would find a better home amongst Men's Rights Associations.
They, too, can't seem to catch an even break. All of the advantages they enjoy mean nyet, if someone somewhere has a down on them. Why won't the left just line up behind them??
Must be "androphobia" (or, "Russophobia").
Mon, 2016-10-24 23:39
#65
Don't be ridiculous. Nobody here hates Russia itself or "everything Russian" just because they're critical of Russia's government and political leader. That's the same argument that's used to make any political criticism of Israel antisemitism.
Actually that is the very point we disagree on. Some people's posts here display an extreme bias against Russia. There is inherent bias by posters on both sides of the Russia threads and instead of acknowledging that you instead of do a shout down on behalf of one of the biased sides. So don't be ridiculous you are wrong why don't you just admit it.
Tue, 2016-10-25 00:09
#66
Timebandit
Because I do good deeds, am rarely wrong, wear sensible shoes and am kind to animals. ;)
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, k. What I do see is some valid criticism of the Russian government, its leader and their boosters. I don't think those are equivalent to Russia. And I'm not sure how else you would expect people to react to some of the blatantly bizarro-world assertions we've seen here lately.
Wed, 2016-10-26 14:36
#67
ikosmos
Now its the boogeyman "they" as in if "they" want to spin it. Yes I agree that "they" are the problem whoever the fuck "they" are. Too you the "they" that is to blame is obviously Russian. We know you hate Russia and anything Russian so actually posting that little diatribe was totally unnecessary.
The most amusing part of the lack of genuine debate is that in both the thread on Russophobia [now in its 2nd thread] and in the thread on the new McCarthyism, some babblers post rich, new examples of both and, sail on, blissfully unaware [it seems] that they're providing evidence of exactly what it is that I've been claiming in these threads.
I sometimes don't know whether to criticize this practice or smile silently.
Wed, 2016-10-26 16:10
#68
Newsflash ikosmos. You just did. In fact it is pretty much the one note you keep banging on.
Sat, 2016-10-29 23:43
#69
ikosmos
Russian Foreign Ministry ‘concerned’ over situation with RT's UK accounts
Moscow is still "deeply concerned by the abnormal situation" regarding RT's bank accounts in the UK, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement released on Saturday. The National Westminster Bank (NatWest) still plans to close RT's UK branch accounts, which will "create problems" for the channel's further broadcasting "under normal conditions," the ministry said. Russia's diplomats have addressed the British side on the issue at an international meeting, but claims that the UK government has nothing to do with the bank's decision have again been offered. "Considering that over 70 percent of shares of the Royal Bank of Scotland, of which NatWest is part, belong to the government, [such statements] are, to say the least, doubtful," the comment said. Calling such actions an attempt "to force a popular broadcaster with an alternative point of view out of the British media space," the ministry called on the UK government to stay true to the declared principles of freedom of speech and assist in resolving the situation.
Mon, 2016-10-31 14:42
#70
ikosmos
British government presses forward with closing RT UK bank account.
Now it's "LOW RATINGS" says the UK representative at the OSCE and, furthermore, it has nothing to do with the 70% [UK Government] shareholder in the bank, anyway!
When pressed by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs the British representatives at the OSCE Permanent Council tried to justify the shutting down of RT UK based on “low ratings”…something that every viewer of RT knows is not only out of the question, but a flat out lie, given the popularity of the channel.We only wish the UK government and its crony bank would grow a pair, and just admit that they are trying to shut down RT’s operations in the UK because the United States and VP Joe Biden gave then the order to do so.
If the UK government would admit to this, then at least we could respect their honesty, even though the world would openly despise their censorship and lack of sovereignty.
Round up the usual Russian suspects! Because freedom!
Mon, 2016-10-31 16:27
#71
You mean "the russian ministry of foreign affairs" said.
Or more accurately, "the Duran" said.
No names, of course.
Why a bank should close any account over "low ratings" is news to me. And if this was some big conspiracy you'd think they'd just let them wither and die.
Are you sure this isn't just some made up story, just like that fake poster thing?
Mon, 2016-10-31 16:57
#72
ikosmos
Are you sure this isn't just some made up story, just like that fake poster thing?
BBC: NatWest to close Russian channel's UK bank accounts
Guardian: RT accounts to close "Nothing to do with us, " says fleeing UK bureaucrat
Mon, 2016-10-31 17:01
#73
The silver lining is that if they apply for a new chequing account at another bank, they might get a free toaster.
Mon, 2016-10-31 17:22
#74
What part of those articles am I supposed to be reading , ikosmos? This?
Clark said the Kremlin used RT not for straight propaganda purposes but “information warfare”.
“The clue is in the strapline: ‘Question more’. They are trying to sow confusion and to create a climate of intellectual pessimism and nihilism by mixing the genre of news and outright fabrication.”
He added: “The channel is designed to undermine rational debate. It’s a multi-layered thing and just one instrument they use.”
Or this?
Often, questioning more meant wallowing in conspiracy theory, giving airtime to 9/11 “truthers” and other basement bloggers.
Both those stories are two weeks old. Nothing I found to substantiate your blogger's claim that some OSCE rep said this was all about bad ratings.
(edit)
and @ Magoo
and another opportunity to show how they are being persecuted by the capitalist lackeys of western Imperialism.
Mon, 2016-10-31 17:30
#75
The struggle is real, Smith.
Никто меня не любит, все ненавидят меня, думаю, я пойду едят червей.
Sat, 2016-11-05 14:30
#76
ikosmos
Independent journalist Haneul Na'avi has an idea for RT UK ...
Independent Economic Researcher Ian Pye profoundly observed a weakness in Britain’s plan of attack. He stated.
“A large Chinese bank with a firm presence in London should take up NatWest’s slack. Much, much harder politically to sanction China.”
RT simply has to visit 81 King Williams Street to open accounts with the Industrial and Commerce Bank of China (ICBC)—the largest bank in the world with a market capitalisation of $198 billion according to Forbes Magazine—and end the mindlessness of this state-sanctioned dispute.
The PRA recently awarded the ICBC a UK banking licence in September 2014, which allows it to operate freely within the country.
Michele Chen of London’s Squire Sanders law firm highlighted:
“…another significance of ICBC now having branch license is that Chinese banks are increasingly learning how to operate in a global environment, satisfying UK laws and regulations whilst providing a diverse range of products to customers.”
Those “diverse range of products” include sanction-free international banking for RT employees via Unionpay, backed by the Chinese Yuan. Also, as the ICBC is also state-owned, Russia and China can negotiate any contentious terms and conditions, such as excess capital controls on remittances, in order to facilitate the process, bypassing future punitive measures.
Russia Today must realise that it is waging an information war and will be treated as such by the UK authorities. There are material interests at stake for both countries, and indignation alone will do nothing more than frustrate the matter.
It must consider its options with ICBC or even the Bank of China to circumvent NatWest’s schizophrenic banking policies, and then embarrass them by continuing operations in the UK without the threat of sanctions. RT can even file a corporate lawsuit against NatWest if desired.
ha ha ha ha. Choke on it, Russophobes.
Sat, 2016-11-05 14:46
#77
In other words, whatever the truth of whose account is being closed, and why (which is not public) it is in no way an attempt to shut down media in the UK because there are one or two other options if someone wants to switch banks.
So like all other question titles, the answer to yours is "No, banning Russian media has not begun in the west".
Thanks for confirming that, ikosmos.
Sat, 2016-11-05 15:19
#78
Timebandit
Right, so it's possible to switch banks and carry on. What's the problem, then? Looks like business as usual.
Sat, 2016-11-05 17:31
#79
Independent Economic Researcher Ian Pye profoundly observed a weakness in Britain’s plan of attack. He stated.“A large Chinese bank with a firm presence in London should take up NatWest’s slack. Much, much harder politically to sanction China.”
Seems he might have also stumbled on a weakness in Russia's plan of aggrievance.
Thu, 2016-11-17 21:38
#80
ikosmos
Jim Jatras, former US diplomat:" It is not appropriate at all. I read the transcript. I thought it was interesting that Kirby faulted RT for being state-supported and then he immediately turned to the BBC. I guess there is very much a double standard on the substance of Aleppo. Here we have a Russian-supported Syrian offensive against Al-Qaeda in Aleppo, which is strikingly similar to what is going on with the US support for the Iraqi offensive against ISIS in Mosul. There are all sorts of understanding in the case of Mosul. You have an offensive against a populated area held by a vicious terrorist group, no understanding of that situation when it comes to Aleppo, just unsupported accusations and not even identifying the sources of accusation. It is hard to believe that this is being done in good faith."RT: What was it about the questions posed by RT’s correspondent that prompted the spokesperson's reaction?
Jatras: JJ: I think there are a couple of things. One is I think he knows that the factual basis of these accusations is weak. That is not what is important here for the Obama administration. It is to throw the accusation, stir up a dust cloud because what they really want to do is - and let’s be brutally honest about it - they want to protect Al-Qaeda and the other terrorists in Aleppo. Because it is the only leverage they have on the failed policy. So, they will make accusations of hitting civilians, hospitals, war crimes and so-forth as a diversion. It is really sad to see a US government agency descend to this level.
The Obama terrorist regime. Good riddance!
Thu, 2016-11-17 22:09
#81
ikosmos
Still more ...
'No way': US military bar RT’s video agency from media event in letter likely revealing too much
An extraordinary email was received by a producer for RT’s video agency Ruptly following a request to attend one of the Pentagon's media events. Their “No way” was phrased in such a way that, one suspects, the US military official just hit the wrong "reply" button. ...First a polite reply from an army rep arrived, saying that all questions "regarding the ammunition" should be sent to Lieutenant Colonel Peters. The email also provided information on some of NATO's planned operations in Europe.
The Public Affairs Officer's email followed and, probably by mistake, revealed that military intelligence staff of his army unit (G-2) "would deservedly kill" him if he allows Ruptly to be present at one of the military's media events in Europe.
"No way are we going to support this. From an OPSEC [Operations Security] perspective, our G-2 would kill me - deservedly so," a US military command public affairs officer, Lieutenant Colonel Donald Peters, wrote in an email.
Round up the usual Russian suspects!
Thu, 2016-11-17 22:13
#82
ikosmos
More from the brutal, barbarous Obama regime ...
'Chilling': US State Dept. brushes off RT over Syrian humanitarian reports
It is very important for RT and others to highlight at every opportunity the appalling brutality that is taking place in Syria as a result of terrorists, Daniel Kawczynski, British Member of Parliament for the Conservative Party, told RT.During Wednesday’s State Department briefing, spokesman John Kirby accused Russia and the Syrian regime of bombing "five hospitals and at least one mobile clinic in Syria."
An RT reporter asked Kirby, in the spirit of fair reporting and transparency, to specify the details of the alleged incidents, including their location.
Kirby simply reiterated the accusations, adding he will no longer treat RT the same as other media outlets.
Obama regime spokesperson: "When I hear the word "Russia", I reach for my sidearm ..."
That's pretty well what it's coming to in the citadels of Western imperialism.
This is why I and a small number of fellow conservative colleagues are absolutely determined to now ramp up the scrutiny and pressure our own government when it comes to the way in which Anglo-Russian relations are conducted. I have used the word in the past – hysteria - and I have been condemned for that. But the anti-Russian hysteria that is pervading through political circles here in London and Washington has quite frankly played a huge role in the increased tension that exists not only in terms of bilateral relations, but in terms of them spilling over into media wars and each side trying to accuse the other of atrocities and inappropriate behavior.
So, if Russian media asks difficult questions, then the Obama State Department will simply ignore their questions ....
[more to follow]
eta - you gotta like the reply of Maria Zakharova, Russian FM spokesperson, who basically said that if the American pig-dogs (my expression) want to play dirty, then there are some American reporters in Moscow, in the very room she was speaking at that moment, and they can be corraled into some sort of pig-pen for American journalists. "That can be arranged," she said, or words to that effect.
Basically, we will give you the same shit, assholes. Come get some. I love it.
Thu, 2016-11-17 22:26
#83
ikosmos
follow up to the State Department mayhem with idiot in chief, John Kirby...
While both diplomats regarded the talks, which touched on Syria, Yemen and Ukraine, as “productive” and “constructive,” Lavrov also alluded to the allegations made by US State Department that Russian jets were behind the reported bombings of 5 hospitals in Aleppo and Idlib. The Russian Defense Ministry repeatedly said that Russian jets have not been flying sorties in Aleppo during the last 30 days, while targets in Idlib and Homs, said to be terrorist arms factories and warehouses, are carefully selected.
Lavrov also commented on the incident at Wednesday’s State Department briefing, in which spokesman John Kirby dismissed RT’s Gayane Chichakyan request to provide details on the allegedly bombed hospitals on the grounds that RT was a “state-owned outlet,” saying it was “unacceptable.” However, Lavrov said he did not want to discuss the conduct of Kirby, who was not in Lima.
“We believe it is unacceptable, not reflecting the American proclaimed values and I hope that this was not the position of the State Department and this is certainly not the position of the Secretary of State ... We are not going to start every day by condemning Mr. John Kirby but I believe he must be disciplined by his own superiors for what he is doing and how he is doing his job," Lavrov said.
If Russian FM, Sergei Lavrov - arguably one of the greatest diplomats in the world - feels free to throw this lout to the curb, then his days are probably numbered. To paraphrase the late John McLaughlin,
BUH BYE!
Wed, 2016-11-23 01:46
#84
ikosmos
Russian media is noting a number of bellicose actions by the NATO regimes, reminiscent of Cold War actions, directed against them ...
EU Resolution Against Russian Media Is 'Worryingly Reminiscent of Cold War'
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201611231047735328-eu-anti-russian-media-resolution-cold-war/
See also
EU Seeks to Make European Citizens Aware of 'Sneaky' Russian Propaganda
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201611211047683889-eu-sneaky-russian-propaganda/
... but perhaps this last one really takes the cake ...
Authors of Report on RT & Sputnik 'Propaganda' Refuse to Talk to 'Propagandists'
The British analytical HJS center that published a report on third-party propaganda has refused to give any comments to RT which it accused of spreading lies. The situation is especially awkward given the fact that representatives of both companies share the same office building in London and see each other every day on their way to work.
Accuse others of virulent propaganda and then shun any reply. Very "democratic". lol.
Problem is, what happens when your own MPs say that this frothing political rabidism is a lot of BS?
According to British MP and member of the Scottish National Party Paul Monaghan, the report is an attempt to prevent people from expressing an alternative opinion, a move that does not correspond to EU's democratic principles.
Round up the usual Russian suspects! Because freedom! Or something.
Wed, 2016-11-23 02:05
#85
ikosmos
Supplemental: the EU resolution lumps together the Russian state with ... ISIS and the terrorists (that the barbarous Western regimes are secretly funding). Charming. Why it's just like that shit speech by lame duck President Barak Obama from the rostrum of the UN [Russia, ISIS and the Ebola virus were identified by this neo liberal clown as the 3 key dangers in the world today. No, I'm not kidding.]
‘Ridiculous & insane hysteria’: Russia placed alongside ISIS in new EU resolution debated by MEPs
How long can this cultivation of foaming, frothing, barking, howling, screeching, shouting hatred continue?
A long time, apparently. Because there's nothing so swell as a good, two-minute hate in the Orwellian Western regimes.
The EU Parliament is debating a resolution that aims to establish measures “to tackle Russian and ISIS propaganda.” In the latest wake of anti-Russia sentiment, the British parliament will also hear a report denouncing public figures with alleged Russia links.
On Wednesday, MEPs in Strasbourg will vote on a non-legislative resolution which calls for the EU to “respond to information warfare by Russia and Islamist terrorists with more positive messaging, awareness raising, and education in information literacy.” ...
“It comes to being ridiculous when the same report includes a threat coming from ISIL and from Russia, it demonstrates that people have lost their mind and sense of reality,” French MEP Jean-Luc Schaffhaueser told RT, adding that the situation is now at a point where he doesn't know "whether to cry or to laugh".
The EU "desperately needs an enemy, be it Russia or any other," that it can blame for any of its own failures, the MEP said. "No one [in the parliament] wants to admit that EU ideology has led to the current situation, the bloc's economic, social and political fiasco," Schaffhaueser added.
and this, finally ...
During the debate, Spanish MEP Javier Couso Permuy denounced the report as an “insult to the intelligence of Europeans.”
“This report is insane. It fosters hysteria against Russia and neo-McCarthyism in Europe. It's a caricature of Russia,” Permuy said. “This is a dangerous report. It's headed at confrontation and it's an assault on freedom of information. To put terrorist groups like Daesh, which disseminates live videos of torture and murders, on the same footing as a member state of the Security Council and other multilateral organisations which we have a grievance with, is an insult to the intelligence of Europeans.”
Round up the usual Russian suspects! There's a Russian under your bed!
Thu, 2016-11-24 14:39
#86
bagkitty
The silver lining is that if they apply for a new chequing account at another bank, they might get a free toaster.
Not so fast Magoo... BIG GAY(tm) has determined that since 11 June 2013 (the date of passage of the legislation "for the Purpose of Protecting Children from Information Advocating for a Denial of Traditional Family Values" [commonly referred to as the "gay propaganda law"]) Russia is no longer eligible to receive free kitchenware for opening a new account. This is spelled out clearly in appendix R to the most current copy of the BIG GAY AGENDA. In fact, BIG GAY is looking into inflicting hurricane damage on Russia to voice our displeasure at the 2013 legislation, and as soon as we can figure out how to relocate Russia so that its borders are closer to the warm maritime environment that current technology demands for the generation of hurricanes we will strongly encourage the World Meteorological Organization to move the names Ivan, Natasha, Svetlana and Vladimir to the top of the list for names to be applied to the hurricanes (and typhoons) whose projected path will cross the relocated Russia.
Fri, 2016-11-25 06:13
#87
At least in the U.S., the sooner the better.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/-Russian-propaganda-effort-he...
Fri, 2016-11-25 11:28
#88
Neo-Nazi Spencer's wife is a pro-Putin propagandist.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/neo-nazi-richard-spencers-wife-is-a-russ...
Fri, 2016-11-25 12:51
#89
'RT Gives Voice to Western Dissidents'
"Jill Stein on EU's 'anti-propaganda' resolution"
CrossTalk: Fake News
Sat, 2016-11-26 03:23
#90
'Journalistic Garbage': Greenwald & Others Slam Wapo For 'Insane' Russian Propaganda Story
https://www.rt.com/usa/368214-greenwald-washington-post-russia/
"Glenn Greenwald along with other journalists has unleashed a torrent of criticism at the Washington Post over a piece about Russia leading a 'fake news' campaign during the US election, calling it a 'disgusting' smear and 'supremely shitty' garbage."
Sat, 2016-11-26 12:22
#91
swallow
The WaPo story should be debated on its factual accuracy lack of accuracy, not on which team's colours you wear.
Sat, 2016-11-26 13:24
#92
Sat, 2016-11-26 13:32
#93
ikosmos
The willingness of the US puppets in the EU to lump together those with whom they have political disagreements (Russia and its President) and cannibalistic terrorists just shows the absurd depths to which this pathological Russophobia, now in the highest European political institutions, has plunged to.
To create confusion among people between mass murdering, head-chopping terrorists and independent, soveign states is a special sort of political monstrosity. And the Western regimes are drenched in this sordid crap.
Sat, 2016-11-26 13:39
#94
Regardless of this propaganda story, truly independent experts have made a compelling case that the Russians hacked the DNC with the intention of getting information to defeat Clinton and elect Trump. For that reason, Putin and Co. are dead to me and at least 64 million Americans who voted for Clinton.
Sat, 2016-11-26 14:11
#95
ikosmos
What a shame "We came, we say, HE DIED!" Clinton lost. Just think of the delicious wars she won't get to start, the millions she won't be able to kill, the Tuesday drone assassinations she won't get to arrange, the whistle-blowers she won't get to imprison, the coup d'etat's she won't get to sponsor, the neo-cons she won't get to hire to fill all the offices of state, the Saudi royals she won't get to thank ...
Really chokes me up.
Sat, 2016-11-26 14:29
#96
I notice you don't deny it. Fascist Putin and fascist Trump. Perfect together.
Sat, 2016-11-26 16:14
#97
ikosmos
The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a good story about what happens when fake claims are repeated for too long. You should read it.
Sat, 2016-11-26 16:39
#98
The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a good story about what happens when fake claims are repeated for too long. You should read it.
Rather ironic. But it probably escaped you.
Sat, 2016-11-26 22:00
#99
Timebandit
The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a good story about what happens when fake claims are repeated for too long. You should read it.
Said the propagandist, smashing another irony meter.
Sun, 2016-11-27 00:34
#100
The Boy Who Cried Wolf is a good story about what happens when fake claims are repeated for too long. You should read it.
I think you really need to remind people of this in the thread about the imminent U.S. attack on Russia. They just aren't taking it seriously enough. .
Mon, 2016-11-28 13:15
#101
ikosmos
Getting back to realilty, and reporting on the foaming Russophobia and its evolution into newer, more virulent strains, we see steps that can only be called preparation for Russian media bans.
This now takes the form of a "list", that includes left-wing, anti-war, social justice, non Russophobic sites - in short, any site that dares to criticize the brutal Empire emanating from Washington - with the typical McCarthyite smear and slimy tactics: if you are involved in these sites, you are a Kremlin agent; if you read them, then you're a "useful Putin idiot", and so on.
This is a predictable escalation. But there is some very excellent media coverage of this. Josh's link upthread (not yet deleted) is a start. Peter Lavelle of RT did what looks like a good expose on Monday's Crosstalk show. And so on. This escalation is meeting powerful resistance, the stinky McCarthyite animal droppings don't seem to be sticking, and the neo cons and their "useful idiots" (lol) are apoplectic with rage ...