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Chris Alexander Does NOTHING To Discourage Chants of "Lock Her Up" Re: Rachel Notley @ Protest Rally
Sun, 2016-12-04 09:44
#1
Chris Alexander Does NOTHING To Discourage Chants of "Lock Her Up" Re: Rachel Notley @ Protest Rally
Sun, 2016-12-04 09:45
#2
He even smiles when the chants start. See link
Mon, 2016-12-05 11:50
#3
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/brian-gorman-ezra-levant-alberta-...
"Lock her up for what? Because you disagree with her?"
A chorus of Albertans at a political rally chanting "Lock her up" about Premier Rachel Notley initially left communications professor Brian Gorman speechless.
"We have a long and ignoble history in Canada of aping the Americans — unfortunately not always in positive ways," Gorman said Sunday, referring to similar refrains from American voters keen to see Hillary Clinton behind bars.
Mon, 2016-12-05 12:11
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This is not a surprise.
The lack of substance and irrationality of the right is part of our society as well.
Many of the dangers that exist from them in the US exist here.
There is a global mob -- it is not a Us phenomenon. People here ought to think of a stronger response sooner rather than later.
Thu, 2016-12-08 01:14
#5
A right wing perspective that I found interesting is in this article: http://looniepolitics.com/the-left-said-much-much-worse-than-lock-her-up...
It argues that various protests about Harper said much worse, often equating him with fascism.
Do I oppose chanting “lock her up” in regards to politicians? I guess, but I have to say, if you’re traumatized by the idea of people calling a politician a crook, you really need to get out more.
The only problem with the argument is that Notley has done nothing to inspire a suggestion of her being a crook, that I'm aware of. The chant seems solely because she's female. Clinton, who at least had some allegations of criminal wrong doing, inspired this chant. So Notley, being a female politician as is Clinton, stupidly inspires the same chant from a bunch of morons who don't like the policies of Notley's NDP.
That said, it is true that "fascist", which was at times directed to Harper, is an even more serious allegation than crook (the crook allegation implied by the chant "lock her up").
Thu, 2016-12-08 05:44
#6
It isn't as "personal". Rightwing politicians, especially with an authoritairan inclanation like Harper, routinely get called fascists, while leftwing politicians (in the US even mildly liberal ones) get red-baited.
The "lock her up" chant still seems to me to have a very strong whiff of misogyny.
Thu, 2016-12-08 13:51
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The "lock her up" chant still seems to me to have a very strong whiff of misogyny.
More than a whiff I think.
Mon, 2016-12-19 16:00
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Mon, 2016-12-19 21:11
#9
Notley online threats far exceed those aimed at male politicians, professor says
Women politicians get more threats than men but not proportionately -- the more left they are the more they get. Compare stories regarding threats to Christy Clark with those received by Notley. Both have received threats. Both from right wing men. Yes, Clark, a right of centre premier gets threats from men on her right side but so far we have not heard this come from those left of her and given her politics there are far more to the left of her than to the right of her. Left of centre men do not get the same level of threats as left of centre women politicians so it is not a left-right thing -- it is about women. The source of the threats are always, so far in Canada, reported as coming from men.
The greatest threat to women politicians comes from right of centre men. This fits with the right-wing's general hatred of women. These threats are not just rhetoric, as they come from men who support aggressively anti-women political positions. It would not be safe to assume that anyone knows where the boundaries of this are and we can assume that the personal safety of women politicians, particularly from the left, would be in greater danger.
In the US it has been reported that threats against Hillary Clinton came from some women; these women were also to the right.
There seems to be a strong political ideological basis to this acknowledged for misogyny in politics generally, but less acknowledged when speaking about direct threats to women politicians. Obviously, all of this is the same thing.
That said, anyone who has worked within left politics knows that misogyny is alive and well in left of centre politics as well, even if it is less politically okay to expose it in this way. I heard some horrible things directed at women with NDP/labour circles that I did not expect -- and coming from very high up people.
Tue, 2016-12-20 14:22
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montrealer58
Death threats against women (and opponents) are what are known as "Conservative social media strategy", just in case you were wondering.
Wed, 2016-12-21 14:39
#11
Death threats against women (and opponents) are what are known as "Conservative social media strategy", just in case you were wondering.
Sorry Liberals hold their own quite well when it comes to death threats.
Wed, 2016-12-21 15:50
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montrealer58
Typical Conservative. When faced with their own behaviour, they blame someone else.
Wed, 2016-12-21 16:14
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Typical Conservative. When faced with their own behaviour, they blame someone else.
It's really sad that so many Canadians are happy to extort the short comings of everyone else's political affiliation yet willfully ignore the behavior of their own.
Case in point. IFL science writes a story about meteors passing close to earth. The response from their readers? Trump is a racist and murderer! I hope the meteor hit Trumps tower while he's inside!
That's brilliant logic and not at all condoning mass murder 
And if you want to see someone blaming others check out Trudeau blaming everyone else but himself for violating his own conflict of interest rules. Conservatives, Media, internet trolls. Everyone elses fault but his.
The conservatives are in no way shape or form any better but they're hardly the only ones guilty of threats and intollerence.
Wed, 2016-12-21 16:58
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montrealer58
Stephen Harper lost. Get over it.
Wed, 2016-12-21 17:46
#15
Blah blah blah you're a conservative blah blah. Typical. Such an articulate and origional narrative.
Actually voted for Jeff Lehoux, now get back to facebook and start calling for the deaths of anyone who disagrees with you eh?
Wed, 2016-12-21 17:49
#16
Stephen Harper lost. Get over it.
Don't reply to trolls. They get paid by how many replies they provoke.
Wed, 2016-12-21 18:28
#17
You're a bully.
Wed, 2016-12-21 18:59
#18
Don't reply to trolls. They get paid by how many replies they provoke.
Justin Trudeau is pathologically, murderously, unforgivably Russophobic. Discuss.
And make my cheque out to Quincy Magoo.
Wed, 2016-12-21 19:16
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montrealer58
You shouldn't call people names.
Wed, 2016-12-21 20:30
#20
people should stop threatening Rachel's life. like wtf? where in anyone's world is this shit acceptable?
Wed, 2016-12-21 20:55
#21
montrealer58
Uttering death threats is a Criminal Code offence. Why doesn't the RCMP do their job and prosecute these people?
Thu, 2016-12-22 11:44
#22
people should stop threatening Rachel's life. like wtf? where in anyone's world is this shit acceptable?
Yes -- and they should also stop the false equivalencies.
It is a defining characteristic from the right, false equivalency attempts to minimize the significance of this. The technique is used by the right across a range of behaviour and statements.
Misogyny is seen across all political contexts but the degree to which the right wing happily indulge in it does not need to be ignored for people to recognize that it has to be opposed in every context. Conservatives don't really seem to want to oppose it so much as look for non-conservative examples to excuse it.
Thu, 2016-12-22 11:45
#23
Uttering death threats is a Criminal Code offence. Why doesn't the RCMP do their job and prosecute these people?
I think the last few years of headlines might give us a clue.
Fri, 2016-12-23 09:40
#24
Uttering death threats is a Criminal Code offence. Why doesn't the RCMP do their job and prosecute these people?
Threats generally need to be credible for police to press charges. RCMP lay the charges but they wouldn't prosecute them that's the crowns job.
Fri, 2016-12-23 15:24
#25
Uttering death threats is a Criminal Code offence. Why doesn't the RCMP do their job and prosecute these people?
Threats generally need to be credible for police to press charges. RCMP lay the charges but they wouldn't prosecute them that's the crowns job.
The point I was making is the RCMP have their own problems with Misogyny
Fri, 2016-12-23 15:30
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alan smithee
All due respect to any Albertans out there but stop threatening and seperate from Canada already. It would make this country 100 times better over night.
Fri, 2016-12-23 16:54
#27
All due respect to any Albertans out there but stop threatening and seperate from Canada already. It would make this country 100 times better over night.
What a disgusting post.
Fri, 2016-12-23 17:51
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montrealer58
Constitutionally, the North West Territories was granted to Canada after Confederation. Alberta was carved out of the NWT, and exists at the sole discretion of the Canadian government, unlike the other provinces which joined Confederation from 1867 to 1949. Canada would have to accede to the separation of Alberta (and SK and MB too), which would be highly unlikely. So, no, they can't legally separate.
Fri, 2016-12-23 18:09
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alan smithee
All due respect to any Albertans out there but stop threatening and seperate from Canada already. It would make this country 100 times better over night.
What a disgusting post.
Not as disgusting as Alberta. It's that province which is holding Canada back. Albertans feel Canada is holding them back. They can go it on their own, They won't be missed. And they wouldn't miss us. I'm sorry you don't like the post. Unfortunately,I don't give a shit.
Fri, 2016-12-23 18:22
#30
All due respect to any Albertans out there but stop threatening and seperate from Canada already. It would make this country 100 times better over night.
What a disgusting post.
Not as disgusting as Alberta. It's that province which is holding Canada back. Albertans feel Canada is holding them back. They can go it on their own, They won't be missed. And they wouldn't miss us. I'm sorry you don't like the post. Unfortunately,I don't give a shit.
This targets a whole province and there are a number of people from there who are here.
Alberta does not "feel" anything. It is a place of individuals some of whom hold opinions I disagree with, others do not share those opinions. We do not normally target people by geography here -- not any province, city or country. It is disgusting.
It is also objectionable here to see a person engage in a sweeping catch-all attack that suggests that you can name any group you feel like no matter how related or not the person may be to the group.
Alberta is not an association, political party, belief or religion. It is where people live. You want to criticize a point of view or behaviour -- go for it. Collective insults on a whole province is disgusting.
I don't know if this kind of comment is against the policy here but it should be. This is not freedom of expression it is a collective attack on people for living, or being employed in a certain place. If you have any respect for working people, many who went to this province becuase they needed work, you would dial that back.
If you want to attack beliefs or hypocrisy, fill your boots. People, for where they live, no.
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Fri, 2016-12-23 19:12
#31
Death threats against women (and opponents) are what are known as "Conservative social media strategy", just in case you were wondering.
Sorry Liberals hold their own quite well when it comes to death threats.
I'll bite...who did Justin threaten to kill?
Fri, 2016-12-23 19:27
#32
Is Notley even formally accused of any bona fide criminal wrongdoing?
I get that Clinton was, in some people's minds, accused of some kind of crime having to do with mail servers or something, and while I don't really agree that she needs to be making licence plates, at least someone tried.
If Notley isn't accused of anything then the only reason I can imagine for why she, too, needs to be caged for the safety of the people is that she's also a woman. Which is just beyond disgusting.
That said, weren't there some progressive babblers insisting that Clinton should die in jail because of that server? I'm pretty sure I remember that, back when it looked like she might win.
Fri, 2016-12-23 19:27
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Misfit
Dick Collver was the leader of the Saskatchewan PC party in the 70s before Grant Devine took over. He was a western Canadian separatist who felt that the province should join the United States. Anyway, these people are not limited to Alberta. They are all over.
Fri, 2016-12-23 21:32
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Dick Collver was the leader of the Saskatchewan PC party in the 70s before Grant Devine took over. He was a western Canadian separatist who felt that the province should join the United States. Anyway, these people are not limited to Alberta. They are all over.
and political and constitutional opinions in Alberta are not limited to separatists
Fri, 2016-12-23 21:33
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Edzell
We do not normally target people by geography here -- not any province, city or country. It is disgusting.But by smithee's own admission he doesn't give a shit, so there's no point trying for an intelligent discussion with him.
Stony ground
Fri, 2016-12-23 21:33
#36
Is Notley even formally accused of any bona fide criminal wrongdoing?
I get that Clinton was, in some people's minds, accused of some kind of crime having to do with mail servers or something, and while I don't really agree that she needs to be making licence plates, at least someone tried.
If Notley isn't accused of anything then the only reason I can imagine for why she, too, needs to be caged for the safety of the people is that she's also a woman. Which is just beyond disgusting.
That said, weren't there some progressive babblers insisting that Clinton should die in jail because of that server? I'm pretty sure I remember that, back when it looked like she might win.
You are right on all counts here
Fri, 2016-12-23 21:38
#37
We do not normally target people by geography here -- not any province, city or country. It is disgusting.But by smithee's own admission he doesn't give a shit, so there's no point trying for an intelligent discussion with him.Stony ground
I guess.
Smithee has made good, intelligent contributions in the past so it is more difficult to give up on him than some troll who got here yesterday.
It would have been nice to see a realization on this. Too bad.
The other point is when a group is attacked I think it is reasonable for some to stand up and say this is not what we all think of them. There are people from Alberta here and I don't think they deserve the big tar brush. Tough enough being in a minority without being branded as having the same views as a majority. In this case seperation is not a majority desire in Alberta anyway -- just a right wing fringe desire.
Fri, 2016-12-23 21:55
#38
Edzell
I guess smithee's mini-rant could have been more appropriate if it was in response to an actual Albertan ranting about seperatism. As an out-of nowhere put-down of "Alberta" it comes across as fudamentally tribal or just plain bad-tempered.
Fri, 2016-12-23 22:13
#39
I would like to see the West Coast secede and join together with Oregon and Washington to form Cascadia. That would produce a nice sized country with about 15 million people. Alberta can secede if it wants to just as any area of the country can. Frankly I am extremely tired of listening to Centre of The Universe media in central Canada talking about Western Canada when they mean Alberta and Sask.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)#/media/File:Flag_of_Cascadia.svg
Sat, 2016-12-24 00:30
#40
All due respect to any Albertans out there but stop threatening and seperate from Canada already. It would make this country 100 times better over night.
What a disgusting post.
Not as disgusting as Alberta. It's that province which is holding Canada back. Albertans feel Canada is holding them back. They can go it on their own, They won't be missed. And they wouldn't miss us. I'm sorry you don't like the post. Unfortunately,I don't give a shit.
Of course. And Scots are cheap, Italians are shifty, Germans like war, Spanish are emotional, the English are snobs, and what did Trump say about Mexicans? I believe we should all get to use stereotypes to denounce people. Now don't get me started on my experiences with people from Lotus Land.
Sat, 2016-12-24 23:50
#41
All due respect to any Albertans out there but stop threatening and seperate from Canada already. It would make this country 100 times better over night.
What a disgusting post.
Not as disgusting as Alberta. It's that province which is holding Canada back. Albertans feel Canada is holding them back. They can go it on their own, They won't be missed. And they wouldn't miss us. I'm sorry you don't like the post. Unfortunately,I don't give a shit.
How is Alberta holding Canada back? Are they putting a gun to the rest of the country's head and forcing them to elect right-wing governments? Even if every single voter in Alberta supported conservative parties, that wouldn't have fuck-all influence outside of Alberta, unless other Canadians voted for those parties as well.