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Tue, 2017-08-01 18:33

Rev Pesky

The story of Seth Rich receives a body blow:

http://www.businessinsider.com/rod-wheeler-seth-rich-murder-fox-news-lawsuit-2017-8

A longtime Fox News commentator has sued the network, claiming it used him to deflect attention from investigations about the Trump campaign's ties with the Russian government by publishing a "fake news" story about the death of a Democratic National Committee staffer.

Rod Wheeler, who says he has worked as a contributor for Fox News since 2002, claims in the suit that Fox News reporter Malia Zimmerman fabricated quotes from Wheeler with the "knowledge and support" of Ed Butowsky, a wealthy Dallas investor and supporter of President Donald Trump. The lawsuit, which was obtained by Business Insider, also claims that the story garnered the "full ... attention of the White House," including Trump.

The July 2016 fatal shooting of the DNC staffer, Seth Rich, remains under investigation, but it has become the target of numerous right-wing conspiracy theories. In a May 16 article that was later retracted, the quotes attributed to Wheeler suggested that Rich had communicated with WikiLeaks before his death.

In the lawsuit, Wheeler claims that Butowsky sent him a text message telling him Trump had "just read the article" and "wants the article out immediately." The lawsuit included a photo of what Wheeler says is the text message.

Given what we know about Trump and his respect for the truth, this story is perfectly credible.

Tue, 2017-08-01 18:35

#253

josh

Fox News is Fake News.

Wed, 2017-08-02 01:58

#254

NDPP

Did Hillary Scapegoat Russia To Save Her Campaign? - by Mike Whitney

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/01/did-hillary-scapegoat-russia-to-...

"There was no hack. Russia was not involved. The official narrative is bullshit. End of story."

Wed, 2017-08-02 02:09

(Reply to #254) #255

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Did Hillary Scapegoat Russia To Save Her Campaign? - by Mike Whitney

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/01/did-hillary-scapegoat-russia-to-...

"There was no hack. Russia was not involved. The official narrative is bullshit. End of story."

The story is basically a DNC invention

Spread by her enemies two months previously?

Wed, 2017-08-02 05:44

(Reply to #255) #256

josh

NDPP wrote:

Did Hillary Scapegoat Russia To Save Her Campaign? - by Mike Whitney

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/01/did-hillary-scapegoat-russia-to-...

"There was no hack. Russia was not involved. The official narrative is bullshit. End of story."

Sounds like a Trump tweet.

Wed, 2017-08-02 11:45

#257

Michael Moriarity

Here is an article written last January by Bruce Schneier. It's long, but if you want to know what a real expert thinks about this question, it's worth a read. He explains the general nature of attack attribution methods, and the trade offs government spy agencies face between revealing enough evidence to convince the public and burning technical and perhaps human resources by doing so. His general conclusion seems to be that the Russians probably did it. He provides plenty of links to the data sources he relies upon.

Bruce Schneier wrote:

The constellation of evidence attributing the attacks against the DNC, and subsequent release of information, is comprehensive. It's possible that there was more than one attack. It's possible that someone not associated with Russia leaked the information to WikiLeaks, although we have no idea where that someone else would have obtained the information. We know that the Russian actors who hacked the DNC -- both the FSB, Russia's principal security agency, and the GRU, Russia's military intelligence unit -- are also attacking other political networks around the world.

Thu, 2017-08-03 16:40

#258

josh

Mueller convenes a grand jury.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/special-counsel-mueller-impanels-washin...

Fri, 2017-08-04 01:57

#259

NDPP

Seymour Hersh Cracks 'RussiaGate' as CIA Planted Lie

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/08/68873.html

"We've noted for many months that the DNC emails were leaked by an insider , NOT HACKED BY THE RUSSIANS. Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh...said in a recent phone interview linked by WikiLeaks:

[The DC police took Seth Rich's computer, but couldn't get past his password.] So they call the FBI cyber-unit. The Feds get through [the password protection on Rich's computer) and this is what they find. This is according to the FBI report...

What the report says is that - some time in late spring or early summer - he [Rich] makes contact with WikiLeaks. That's in his computer. They [the FBI] find what he [Rich] had done was he submitted a series of documents of emails , of juicy emails - from the DNC..."

Fri, 2017-08-04 02:55

#260

JKR

Vladimir Putin is far too honest, democratic, and fair minded to ever contemplate swaying a US election to favour Russian interests. What possible benefit could Russia have in swaying an American election??? That's why the US has never interfered in foreign elections! Swaying foreign elections is only the stuff of fake news!

In any case, Donald Trump is far too honest, restrained, and upstanding to ever contemplate receiving aid from a foreign country. What would he have to gain???

Fri, 2017-08-04 14:34

#261

josh

Federal investigators exploring whether Donald Trump's campaign colluded with Russian spies have seized on Trump and his associates' financial ties to Russia as one of the most fertile avenues for moving their probe forward, according to people familiar with the investigation.

The web of financial ties could offer a more concrete path toward potential prosecution than the broader and murkier questions of collusion in the 2016 campaign, these sources said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/mueller-investigation-russia-trump-one-year-financial-ties/

Sat, 2017-08-05 00:33

#262

NDPP

"There is scarce attention being paid to the economic agenda being advanced by Trump's Goldman Sachs intensive economic team. None of it can compete with the Trump show. The media won't take their eyes off this reality television narrative of impeachment, who's going to be voted off the island, who's going to end up indicted. It's media catnip.

Pence terrifies me...

Interview: Naomi Klein

https://nowtoronto.com/news/ecoholic/interview-naomi-klein/

Sat, 2017-08-05 00:37

#263

JKR

Who chose Pence to be his vice-president? Hillary?

Sat, 2017-08-05 01:35

#264

NDPP

On the Beach 2017 - by John Pilger

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/04/on-the-beach-2017/

"I read On The Beach for the first time the other day, finishing it as the US Congress passed a law to wage economic war on Russia, the world's second most lethal nuclear power. There was no justification for this insane vote, except the promise of plunder.

Their main aim seems to be war - real war. No provocation as extreme can suggest anything else.

Those who call themselves liberals or tendentiously 'The left' are eager participants in this manipulation, and its brainwashing, which today revert to one name: Trump.

A coup against the man in the White House is under way. This is not because he is an odious human being, but because he has consistently made clear he does not want war with Russia..."

Sat, 2017-08-05 02:08

#265

JKR

There's no problem with Trump being an odious human being?

Sat, 2017-08-05 08:24

(Reply to #265) #266

josh

NDPP wrote:

"There is scarce attention being paid to the economic agenda being advanced by Trump's Goldman Sachs intensive economic team. None of it can compete with the Trump show. The media won't take their eyes off this reality television narrative of impeachment, who's going to be voted off the island, who's going to end up indicted. It's media catnip.

Pence terrifies me...

Interview: Naomi Klein

https://nowtoronto.com/news/ecoholic/interview-naomi-klein/

Pence is horrible on policy, but so is Trump. But Pence is not a pathologically lying meglomanic, nor is there evidence that he's a crook. Nor does he surround himself with neo-Nazis and neo-confederates.

Sat, 2017-08-05 13:35

#267

Rev Pesky

From NDPP quoting John Pilger:

A coup against the man in the White House is under way. This is not because he is an odious human being, but because he has consistently made clear he does not want war with Russia..."

Trump has also 'consistently made clear' he wants a new health care plan, a wall with Mexico, and another couple of hundred billion for the Pentagon.

Anyone who bases their analysis on what Trump says is standing in quicksand. Note Trump's flip-flops on China. Note he has surrounded himself with retired military. He can't keep a single thought in his head for longer than 3 minutes.

Yes, the stance of Congress on Russia is a serious problem. Trump is not the solution.

Sun, 2017-08-06 00:03

#268

NDPP

The Strange Case of Imran Awan - by Philip Giraldi

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-strange-case-of-imra...

"Only fraud or something more? A possible cover-up that just might even be linked to what we are now calling Russiagate..."

Re: Wasserman Schultz

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/398590-scandal-violations-pakistan-ru...

"Welcome to the Twilight Zone - it would seem this is the place where Debbie Wasserman Schultz resides, works and even conspires..."

Wed, 2017-08-09 02:51

#269

NDPP

'Story of my meeting with Trump Jr has been manipulated' - Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/8jvo

"Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya told RT that the US media manipulated the story about her meeting with Donald Trump Jr, and accused investor Bill Browder - convicted in Russia for tax fraud - of running a disinformation campaign in the US..."

'I understand that the whole story surrounding my meeting with Trump Jr has been manipulated. By whom? I see only one answer to this question..."

Wed, 2017-08-09 10:59

(Reply to #269) #270

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

'Story of my meeting with Trump Jr has been manipulated' - Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/8jvo

"Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya told RT that the US media manipulated the story about her meeting with Donald Trump Jr, and accused investor Bill Browder - convicted in Russia for tax fraud - of running a disinformation campaign in the US..."

'I understand that the whole story surrounding my meeting with Trump Jr has been manipulated. By whom? I see only one answer to this question..."

At least this tries to have a look at both sides of it:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/12/who-is-natalia-veselnits...

Wed, 2017-08-09 11:12

#271

josh

FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump’s former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-conducted-predawn-raid-of-former-trump-campaign-chairman-manaforts-home/2017/08/09/5879fa9c-7c45-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.dd3df3221092

Wed, 2017-08-09 11:56

#272

NDPP

"In less than a year, wall to wall anti-Russian propaganda has flipped American opinion in support of a new Cold War."

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/893732497887985664

Wed, 2017-08-09 12:40

(Reply to #272) #273

josh

NDPP wrote:

"In less than a year, wall to wall anti-Russian propaganda has flipped American opinion in support of a new Cold War."

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/893732497887985664

Gee, I wonder why.

Thu, 2017-08-10 03:14

#274

NDPP

Watchdog To File Complaint Over Democrats Collusion With Ukraine in US Election

https://sptnkne.ws/ffWa

"A US watchdog will file a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission alleging that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) violated election rules by colluding with Ukrainian government officials to compile information on then candidate Donald Trump, US media reported..."

Thu, 2017-08-10 05:30

#275

josh

The "watchdog" is a far right, dark money, group.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/04/new-nonprofit-tied-to-stealthy-...

Thu, 2017-08-10 11:46

#276

NDPP

DNC Fraud Lawsuit Exposes Anti-Democratic Views in Democratic Party

http://www.truthdig.com/articles/dnc-fraud-lawsuit-exposes-anti-democrat...

"...Meanwhile, along with most Democrats in Congress, the DNC remains eager to heap blame on Russia for the defeat of Hillary Clinton. That's been a nifty way to deflect attention from what cried out for scrutiny after November's election - the reality that Clinton's close ties with Wall Street and big bankers made it unconvincing to pitch her as an ally of working people..."

Thu, 2017-08-10 11:46

(Reply to #276) #277

bekayne

josh wrote:

The "watchdog" is a far right, dark money, group.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/04/new-nonprofit-tied-to-stealthy-...

Just a fine bunch of progressives.

The executive director of FACT and the sole paid employee listed on its most recent tax filing is Matt Whitaker, a former U.S. Attorney from Iowa who we here at Right Wing Watch remember from his unsuccessful run for his home state’s Republican Senate nomination in 2014 (it ultimately went to now-Sen. Joni Ernst). When asked at a debate what criteria he would use to determine whether to support or attempt to block President Obama’s federal judicial nominees, Whitaker said that he would ask if nominees are “people of faith” and “have a biblical view of justice.”

“As long as they have that worldview, then they’ll be a good judge,” he said. “And if they have a secular worldview, where this is all we have here on earth, then I’m going to be very concerned about how they judge.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/leader-of-anti-garland-group-once-dem...

Thu, 2017-08-10 11:59

#278

NDPP

And the Clinton Foundation...?

Thu, 2017-08-10 12:39

(Reply to #278) #279

josh

NDPP wrote:

And the Clinton Foundation...?

Sorry Donnie, she's dead and gone.

Fri, 2017-08-11 04:41

#280

NorthReport

Why this person was given even 5 seconds of airtime boggles the mind

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/jeffrey-lord-cnn-trump-twitter-1.4243071

Sat, 2017-08-12 23:11

#281

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/FWYPmHJ3WeU

"Proof that 'Russia hacked DNC server' is bullsh*t posted by The Nation magazine..."

Sun, 2017-08-13 00:20

(Reply to #281) #282

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/FWYPmHJ3WeU

"Proof that 'Russia hacked DNC server' is bullsh*t posted by The Nation magazine..."

First you posted the original article. Then you posted reactions to that article. Then you posted reactions to reactions to that article...

Sun, 2017-08-13 00:24

(Reply to #282) #283

JKR

bekayne wrote:

NDPP wrote:

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/FWYPmHJ3WeU

"Proof that 'Russia hacked DNC server' is bullsh*t posted by The Nation magazine..."

First you posted the original article. Then you posted reactions to that article. Then you posted reactions to reactions to that article...

It would be interesting to see how people would react if it is proven that Trump colluded with the Russians during the 2016 election! I think a few heads around here might explode!

Sun, 2017-08-13 00:33

#284

NDPP

The De-Putin-Nazification Of America

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/11/the-de-putin-nazification-of-ame...

Sun, 2017-08-13 15:31

#285

Rev Pesky

Bannon going to get the old heave-ho?

Trump suspects Bannon behind WH leaks

President Trump reportedly suspects that his chief strategist Stephen Bannon is behind some White House leaks about fellow staffers, according to a new report by Axios.

...According to the report, Trump has been "irritated" with Bannon following a series of Breitbart reports targeting McMaster. Bannon was formerly the executive chairman of Breitbart.

No surprise there. The infighting in the White House continues apace.

Mon, 2017-08-14 01:43

#286

NDPP

Former Mueller Deputy on Trump: 'Government is Going To Kill This Guy'

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/346171-former-mueller-deputy-on-trump-...

"Mudd, who served as deputy director to former FBI Director Robert Mueller, said Trump's defense of Russian President Vladimir Putin has compelled federal employees 'at Langley, Foggy Bottom, CIA and State,' to try to take Trump down..."

Mon, 2017-08-14 02:26

#287

JKR

Maybe if Trump's taken down in the US he can just move his business empire to Russia and develop hotels and casinos in Moscow with the help of his good buddy Putin and other Russian oligarchs? He would fit in well with Russia's dominant class of billionaire oligarchs. ;)

Mon, 2017-08-14 08:30

(Reply to #287) #288

josh

NDPP wrote:

Former Mueller Deputy on Trump: 'Government is Going To Kill This Guy'

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/346171-former-mueller-deputy-on-trump-...

"Mudd, who served as deputy director to former FBI Director Robert Mueller, said Trump's defense of Russian President Vladimir Putin has compelled federal employees 'at Langley, Foggy Bottom, CIA and State,' to try to take Trump down..."

Yes, they will leak when they preceive a threat to their own departments, and more importantly to the nation due to a law violating president. That's what happened in Watergate. It was right then, and its right now.

Sat, 2017-08-19 01:42

#289

NDPP

Russia-Gate's Evidentiary Void - by Robert Parry

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/18/russia-gates-evidentiary-void/

"A cyber-warfare expert sees no technical evidence linking Russia to the Democratic email releases, but the NYT presses ahead..."

Sat, 2017-08-19 02:11

#290

JKR

Trump supporters are evidently trying furiously to sway public opinion before the legal investigations can present their findings. I think it is very premature to pre-judge the findings of the various legal investigations. I think Trump supporters are nervous because they know that since the new Trump presidency have been such a horror show, negative findings by the investigators could end Trump's presidency.

I think at this point people should be patient and allow the evidence to speak for itself when the legal investigations show us if Trump has acted illegally. In any case, Trump supporters sure seem to be sweating bullets. I guess they are frightened Americans will "lock him up."

Sat, 2017-08-19 16:06

#291

Sean in Ottawa

It may be that by running ahead of the evidence the argument against Trump could be damaged if it turned out that the Wikileaks was not sourced in Russia. We know that the FBI claims knowledge of Russian interference, but do they ahve evidence of this particular issue.

Perhaps they do, and I agree we should wait. However, the issue ought not to be decided just on one aspect.

In any case waiting for the evidence is probably not going to be that time-consuming given the pace of events.

In context is the pivot we are seeing from the Trump Administration. It seems they may try to back away from the populist version of Trump and his more overt racism and instead focus on the nasty policies that have wider support in the GOP. We should not consider it an advantage that the GOP and the President come together to choose the objectionable course that they can agree on to pursue. The White House and the GOP recognize there is a lot of screwing of the people and the environment that they can agree on and will want to focus on that.

Mon, 2017-08-21 00:58

#292

NDPP

"CNN concedes Mueller probe will yield next to nothing supporting the grand 'Russiagate' collusion narrative."

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/899448717882777600

As Russia Gate Story Stalls, Cue Trump Neo Nazi Scandal

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47640.htm

"The enthusiasm for whipping up the new anti-Trump campaign seems due in large part because the Russia-gate story has failed to gain any traction. The imminent death of the Russiagate 'scandal' is giving way to the next orchestrated campaign to oust Trump in the form of allegations that the president is a 'Neo Nazi sympathizer.'

The Russiagate theme has failed in its soft-coup objective."

Mon, 2017-08-21 01:29

(Reply to #292) #293

JKR

NDPP wrote:

"CNN concedes Mueller probe will yield next to nothing supporting the grand 'Russiagate' collusion narrative."

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/899448717882777600

As Russia Gate Story Stalls, Cue Trump Neo Nazi Scandal

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47640.htm

"The enthusiasm for whipping up the new anti-Trump campaign seems due in large part because the Russia-gate story has failed to gain any traction. The imminent death of the Russiagate 'scandal' is giving way to the next orchestrated campaign to oust Trump in the form of allegations that the president is a 'Neo Nazi sympathizer.'

The Russiagate theme has failed in its soft-coup objective."

Another possibility is that Trump has brought his misfortune upon himself and that he is just suffering the natural consequences of his actions. So if there is a "conspiracy" against Trump it is being led by Trump himself. No one is forcing him to be an idiot.

Mon, 2017-08-21 01:54

(Reply to #293) #294

SeekingAPolitic...

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

It may be that by running ahead of the evidence the argument against Trump could be damaged if it turned out that the Wikileaks was not sourced in Russia. We know that the FBI claims knowledge of Russian interference, but do they ahve evidence of this particular issue.

Perhaps they do, and I agree we should wait. However, the issue ought not to be decided just on one aspect.

In any case waiting for the evidence is probably not going to be that time-consuming given the pace of events.

In context is the pivot we are seeing from the Trump Administration. It seems they may try to back away from the populist version of Trump and his more overt racism and instead focus on the nasty policies that have wider support in the GOP. We should not consider it an advantage that the GOP and the President come together to choose the objectionable course that they can agree on to pursue. The White House and the GOP recognize there is a lot of screwing of the people and the environment that they can agree on and will want to focus on that.

I totally agree with your last paragraph.

Step by step the white house has been moving closer to traditional REP administration. I reminder pouring scron on impeachment because of RussiaGate. I still think RussiaGate is nothing of substance, but I think that chances of impeachment are growing now. I think that REP party has trapped trump in a vice and every so slightly tightening vice to convince trump should move to traditional REP values and drop populism.

Trump knows his administration on the edge of obilivon, most dems would vote impeachment but it all depends what REP will do. This is the vice I spoke of, if trump does not play ball he can removed and Pence a traditional REP can take his place.

Some time monday will have a major presser and will represent a new stragety on Ahganistan. I think if he doubles down on the conflict sending more troops than I think theory is strengthen. But if he folds and calls for draw down of troops my theory is weaken.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/politics/james-mattis-donald-trump-afghani...

Mon, 2017-08-21 04:03

#295

Rev Pesky

From JKR:

So if there is a "conspiracy" against Trump it is being led by Trump himself. No one is forcing him to be an idiot.

I couldn't have put it better myself. Forget Clinton, forget the 'deep state', forget the conspiracies. Trump is in trouble because he's an incompetent asshole. His world view ends at the tip of his nose.

He could have started off at his inauguration by acknowledging the majority of people who did not vote for him. But no. All along he has ignored the majority of citizens...when he wasn't attacking them.

He could have done what he promised, that is, improve the Affordable Care Act to include more people, with cheaper premiums. He could have done many things, but his ignorance and hubris wouldn't allow him to.

He,and only he, is the author of his misfortunes. All the bafflegab about Clinton and Russia and deep state is exactly that, bafflegab. And deflection. The plain and simple truth is Donald Trump is just too stupid to be president of the USA.

Mon, 2017-08-21 07:29

(Reply to #295) #296

JKR

Rev Pesky wrote:

From JKR:

So if there is a "conspiracy" against Trump it is being led by Trump himself. No one is forcing him to be an idiot.

I couldn't have put it better myself. Forget Clinton, forget the 'deep state', forget the conspiracies. Trump is in trouble because he's an incompetent asshole. His world view ends at the tip of his nose.

He could have started off at his inauguration by acknowledging the majority of people who did not vote for him. But no. All along he has ignored the majority of citizens...when he wasn't attacking them.

He could have done what he promised, that is, improve the Affordable Care Act to include more people, with cheaper premiums. He could have done many things, but his ignorance and hubris wouldn't allow him to.

He,and only he, is the author of his misfortunes. All the bafflegab about Clinton and Russia and deep state is exactly that, bafflegab. And deflection. The plain and simple truth is Donald Trump is just too stupid to be president of the USA.

And too selfish. Everything he does seems to be based on immediately gratifying his childish ego and immediately increasing his personal wealth. He is obviously emotionally unfit for any public office, let alone the presidency. He simply does not care about anyone beyond himself, including his family and political ideology. For almost all of his life he was a Democrat but that could not gain him the presidency so in his 50's he became a Republican so now he has no coherent ideology except personal short-term selfishness. That's probably the reason he is a racist as naturally he thinks his personal genotype is superior to all others.

Mon, 2017-08-21 19:13

(Reply to #296) #297

SeekingAPolitic...

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

It may be that by running ahead of the evidence the argument against Trump could be damaged if it turned out that the Wikileaks was not sourced in Russia. We know that the FBI claims knowledge of Russian interference, but do they ahve evidence of this particular issue.

Perhaps they do, and I agree we should wait. However, the issue ought not to be decided just on one aspect.

In any case waiting for the evidence is probably not going to be that time-consuming given the pace of events.

In context is the pivot we are seeing from the Trump Administration. It seems they may try to back away from the populist version of Trump and his more overt racism and instead focus on the nasty policies that have wider support in the GOP. We should not consider it an advantage that the GOP and the President come together to choose the objectionable course that they can agree on to pursue. The White House and the GOP recognize there is a lot of screwing of the people and the environment that they can agree on and will want to focus on that.

I totally agree with your last paragraph.

Step by step the white house has been moving closer to traditional REP administration. I reminder pouring scron on impeachment because of RussiaGate. I still think RussiaGate is nothing of substance, but I think that chances of impeachment are growing now. I think that REP party has trapped trump in a vice and every so slightly tightening vice to convince trump should move to traditional REP values and drop populism.

Trump knows his administration on the edge of obilivon, most dems would vote impeachment but it all depends what REP will do. This is the vice I spoke of, if trump does not play ball he can removed and Pence a traditional REP can take his place.

Some time monday will have a major presser and will represent a new stragety on Ahganistan. I think if he doubles down on the conflict sending more troops than I think theory is strengthen. But if he folds and calls for draw down of troops my theory is weaken.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/politics/james-mattis-donald-trump-afghani...

According to FoxNews reporter leak on twitter.

4,000 more troops are heading to Afhagstan.

But not offical. Trump speaks to Aghan issue in less 2 hours.

Mon, 2017-08-21 21:27

#298

SeekingAPolitic...

Trump starts with American exceptationlism, follows by nationalism and a call to patriotism. He studied afghanstan in depth-- serourisly Trump come on. Rationalizing more troops. Pakistan is has own up to problems. We will in the end win. Trump claims he will defeat all terristorists in the region. No time table for withdrawl, american troops in Afgahstion until certain conditions are met. Will not say how many troops are going afhanistan >> says too match info for the terristist enemies. Stragety round up, make the taliban come to the table to negoiate.

Mon, 2017-08-21 21:45

#299

SeekingAPolitic...

Trump says he will break the will of terrorists. But before the speech the CNN reporter in Afghan capitial mentioned the current leader of the Taliban son carried a sucidide attack in the country. I suggest that breaking the will of a man who sends his own son to carry out suicide attack if going take more than Trumps tough talk.

MSNBC--This is trumps war now.

Tue, 2017-08-22 00:29

(Reply to #299) #300

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

"CNN concedes Mueller probe will yield next to nothing supporting the grand 'Russiagate' collusion narrative."

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/899448717882777600

As Russia Gate Story Stalls, Cue Trump Neo Nazi Scandal

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47640.htm

"The enthusiasm for whipping up the new anti-Trump campaign seems due in large part because the Russia-gate story has failed to gain any traction. The imminent death of the Russiagate 'scandal' is giving way to the next orchestrated campaign to oust Trump in the form of allegations that the president is a 'Neo Nazi sympathizer.'

The Russiagate theme has failed in its soft-coup objective."

It is only fair that we acknowledge that this "CNN concedes" thing is utter rot.

The source is a tweet from Max Blumenthal who does not work for CNN but another media outlet.

But, taken out of context, the meanings change. The original article merely points out the difficulty of finding evidence n such investigations and really works to attempt to provide a more realistic expectation. I think Blumenthal's conclusion is really not the best one. The article is making good arguments for lowering the bar with respect to what to expect rather than saying that something significant will not be found.

But more than anything else this is not a CNN position. It is an article written by a legal analyst under the note saying:

"Michael Zeldin, a CNN legal analyst, has served as a federal prosecutor in the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice and was a special counsel to then-Assistant Attorney General Robert Mueller. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his own."

Blumenthal ought to know that articles in the same outlet can contradict each other as they offer different points of view.

Tue, 2017-08-22 00:33

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Sean in Ottawa

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

I suggest that breaking the will of a man who sends his own son to carry out suicide attack if going take more than Trumps tough talk.

You make a powerful point. And this is the context that is often forgotten.

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