I'll start it off with my forecast for the first round of voting:
1 Angus
2 Singh
3 Ashton
4 Caron
2017 NDP Leadership Race Predictions
Wed, 2017-08-30 20:47
#1
2017 NDP Leadership Race Predictions
Wed, 2017-08-30 22:25
#2
1. Angus
2. Ashton
3. Singh
4. Caron
1, 2 and 3 are all bunched up at high 20's to low 30's, Caron is far behind in the low teens. No real telling what happens after the first round, the week between the first and second round and the scramble for Caron's votes will be a blood bath.
Wed, 2017-08-30 22:56
#3
After signing over half of the new members, over 47,000, I would venture to guess the first ballot will look like this:
1. Singh
2. Angus
3. Ashton
4. Caron
How it breaks down from there, I don't know. My gut tells me Singh probably wins on the second vote. Many everyday New Democrats are different than those on Babble. Many Singh supporters like Ashton for example and vice versa. I know many who like Singh and Caron as their top choices. I spoke to three today actually. Babblers likes to TRY and put them in rigid ideological camps on the left but most see a group of candidates on the same team and are figuring out which one they like the best and which one they think can win.
Wed, 2017-08-30 23:42
#4
Since Singh's team seems to have signed up 47,000 members I think the result on the first and maybe last round will be:
1. Singh
2. Angus
3. Ashton
4. Caron
Wed, 2017-08-30 23:45
#5
1. Angus 2. Ashton 3. Singh 4. Caron 1, 2 and 3 are all bunched up at high 20's to low 30's, Caron is far behind in the low teens. No real telling what happens after the first round, the week between the first and second round and the scramble for Caron's votes will be a blood bath.
I find it hard to believe that Singh could have signed up 47,000 members and still be in 3rd place. I guess it depends on how well Singh gets his sign-ups vote-out.
Thu, 2017-08-31 00:47
#6
1. Angus 2. Ashton 3. Singh 4. Caron 1, 2 and 3 are all bunched up at high 20's to low 30's, Caron is far behind in the low teens. No real telling what happens after the first round, the week between the first and second round and the scramble for Caron's votes will be a blood bath.I find it hard to believe that Singh could have signed up 47,000 members and still be in 3rd place. I guess it depends on how well Singh gets his sign-ups vote-out.
Singh's number just don't make sense to me. As of August 2nd according to Elections Canada documents (the one data set that is free of campaign spin) Angus had more individual donors to his campaign. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-singh-fundraising-1.4230573 While these are 2 different numbers (sign ups vs donations, which are two different categories) it is fair to assume that a member who had been signed up by Singh would be as likely to donate to him, as an Angus signup would be to donate to Angus.
But if Singh indeed signed up 47000 members out of the 83000 that were signed up during the leadership race (I subtracted the 41000 pre-existing members.) That would mean Angus, Ashton and Caron would've signed up 36000 collectively (even less because that doesn't take into account people who signed up on the NDP site in support of no candidate or those who joined in support of a candidate who dropped out). Say Angus blew the other two out of the water and signed up 20000 on his own.
I find it hard to believe that Singh would more than double the amount of signups done by Angus (47000 vs 20000) yet still lose to Angus on number of individual donors. Makes no sense at all.
And now there's the accusation that Singh's numbers are inaccurate.
Thu, 2017-08-31 05:47
#7
Looking like Angus will beat Singh on the final ballot.
Sat, 2017-09-30 09:56
#8
The accusation from the Angus camp that Singh has inflated his sign-up numbers is significant, and we may hear more about it in the coming days. More bad optics for Singh, which will not play well with long-time NDP members. But even if Singh's stated numbers are correct, the analysis suggests that it is not enough for him to win on the first ballot (which was probably his only chance). And, while Alexa's endorsement of Guy Caron is a nice plus for his campaign, I don't think it's enough to lift him out of a likely distant last place.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/30/jagmeet-singhs-ndp-membership-nu...
So:
1. Angus
2. Singh
3. Ashton
4. Caron
Thu, 2017-08-31 15:04
#9
My bad wrong thread, too many threads with the same basic title :P
Thu, 2017-08-31 15:32
#10
If Caron's position is as weak as some here imply, I suppose it comes down to who makes the best connection with his supporters. Ashton could appeal to them by arguing that she's closest to Caron on the issues and, as a non-Ontarian, will not be subject to the same "screw Upper Canada" feeling that might hurt Angus or Singh in Quebec. As the youngest leadership candidate, she would need to show that she'd listen both to more experienced Dippers and that as a blend of anglophone and allophone, to francophones including soft sovereigntists.
Angus might argue that he is the only candidate with similar gravitas to Caron.
Singh might have the toughest time, but if he were to imply that Caron would have the say over who was chosen as Singh's "Quebec lieutenant"-btw, how do Quebecers feel about that term these days? My sense is that it might sound to subordinate and British regimental for their taste and that an update should be considered-it might help.
Thu, 2017-08-31 16:41
#11
I wonder if a divisive, "anybody but ____________" campaign will play a role in determining the final outcome. Hopefully not.
Fri, 2017-09-01 01:21
#12
I think it's either Singh wins in the first round or comes close and takes it in the second round. ETA: I also think it's possible that Ashton will come second. I think people have been under-estimating her stength, particularly among youth, who I believe would not have been as highly represented in the Mainstreet poll (and that also applies to Singh, I think). I believe she too had phone banks going with youth from what I saw on Twitter, while I don't think this was as much a focus with Angus or Caron (I'm speculating here, admittedly).
Fri, 2017-09-01 09:15
#13
Do we have any demographic breakdown on membership? Do we know how many youth have joined the party?
Fri, 2017-09-01 10:57
#14
Not that I'm aware of.
Fri, 2017-09-01 13:50
#15
I predict somebody will win the NDP leadership, on some ballot. And you can take that to the bank(but not the Bank of Canada).
Fri, 2017-09-01 14:04
#16
progressive17
Because of the low NDP membership numbers in Quebec, that means fewer (as a percentage of the whole) are likely to vote for Caron, and more are likely to vote for Singh. If he really has signed up that many NDP members, Singh probably has it in the bag.
Singh also has advantages over Ashton and Angus, because he is from a big urban centre, and they are not. So it would be more likely Singh could put together a regionalized base of support.
Singh's being from an identifiable minority is more of an advantage than a disadvantage in my view, and his standing up for the Charter of Rights will sit well with many Canadians.
First or second ballot win for Singh.
Fri, 2017-09-01 15:00
#17
blairz
Not meaning to snark but just asking are there polls folks are going by for these predictions?
Fri, 2017-09-01 15:34
#18
Not meaning to snark but just asking are there polls folks are going by for these predictions?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party_leadership_election%2...
Fri, 2017-09-01 15:43
#19
The accusation from the Angus camp that Singh has inflated his sign-up numbers is significant, and we may hear more about it in the coming days. More bad optics for Singh, which will not play well with long-time NDP members. But even if Singh's stated numbers are correct, the analysis suggests that it is not enough for him to win on the first ballot (which was probably his only chance). And, while Alexa's endorsement of Guy Caron is a nice plus for his campaign, I don't think it's enough to lift him out of a likely distant last place.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/30/jagmeet-singhs-ndp-membership-nu...
So:
1. Angus
2. Singh
3. Ashton
4. Caron
I know you're a Charlie supporter but take a step back and think about this. An accusation that the Angus campaign made and hasn't said anything else about is "significant" and "more(?!??!) bad optics for Singh"? Really?
While you hate Singh, most out there don't feel the same. Most New Democrats regardless if they're supporting him or not see a rising star and may very well rank him as their second choice after say Caron or Ashton. I know five people I spoke to recently that are supporting Guy but have Jagmeet as their second choice. He's not finished if he doesn't win on the first ballot.
Fri, 2017-09-01 18:19
#20
I don't think anyone here hates Singh; I certainly don't. For that matter, I don't hate Trudeau, I simply don't share his politics. I simply find Singh's way of doing politics a bit too close to Trudeau's.
Fri, 2017-09-01 18:55
#21
Those polls are almost a month old
Not meaning to snark but just asking are there polls folks are going by for these predictions?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party_leadership_election%2...
Fri, 2017-09-01 19:14
#22
I don't think anyone here hates Singh; I certainly don't. For that matter, I don't hate Trudeau, I simply don't share his politics. I simply find Singh's way of doing politics a bit too close to Trudeau's.
Agreed. I don't hate Singh. I just don't think he's a good choice for leader, and will be ranking him last when I vote.
Fri, 2017-09-01 21:01
#23
The accusation from the Angus camp that Singh has inflated his sign-up numbers is significant, and we may hear more about it in the coming days. More bad optics for Singh, which will not play well with long-time NDP members. But even if Singh's stated numbers are correct, the analysis suggests that it is not enough for him to win on the first ballot (which was probably his only chance). And, while Alexa's endorsement of Guy Caron is a nice plus for his campaign, I don't think it's enough to lift him out of a likely distant last place.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/30/jagmeet-singhs-ndp-membership-nu...
So:
1. Angus
2. Singh
3. Ashton
4. Caron
I know you're a Charlie supporter but take a step back and think about this. An accusation that the Angus campaign made and hasn't said anything else about is "significant" and "more(?!??!) bad optics for Singh"? Really?
While you hate Singh, most out there don't feel the same. Most New Democrats regardless if they're supporting him or not see a rising star and may very well rank him as their second choice after say Caron or Ashton. I know five people I spoke to recently that are supporting Guy but have Jagmeet as their second choice. He's not finished if he doesn't win on the first ballot.
None of us "hate(s) Singh" and you know it. There are legitimate concerns here, none of which are driven by personal animus towards the man:
1) The very real fear that making Singh leader would guarantee a wipeout in Quebec, while producing nowhere near enough gains to make up for that wipeout anywhere else in the country, let alone the fact that an NDP electoral victory would be essentially mathematically impossible if a Quebec wipeout occurred;
2) Suspicion that the overwhelming support Singh receives from the party bureaucracy would mean that any chance of democratizing the way the party is run or giving rank-and-file Dippers any real say over who the party nominates and what it stands for would be thwarted, thus keeping the party in its current dead zone on policy and its current near-total disconnect with the times;
3) The sense, fair or not, that Singh is further to the right on policy than any other leadership candidate-a sense fed by the fact that Singh released his policy ideas later than any other leadership candidate while his campaign essentially said "it's enough that he has charisma"-and that he is the least likely to be sympathetic to the idea of connecting the party directly to the social movements in which most of the energy the party will need to harness if it's to win next time is now focused.
None of that is about hatred, none of it is about prejudice against Sikhs.
And can you truly say, Hunky that NONE of those particular concerns are in any way justified?
Jagmeet could easily address all of these, but to this date simply hasn't chosen to. Is there a reason that shouldn't be worrying?
Fri, 2017-09-01 21:38
#24
The accusation from the Angus camp that Singh has inflated his sign-up numbers is significant, and we may hear more about it in the coming days. More bad optics for Singh, which will not play well with long-time NDP members. But even if Singh's stated numbers are correct, the analysis suggests that it is not enough for him to win on the first ballot (which was probably his only chance). And, while Alexa's endorsement of Guy Caron is a nice plus for his campaign, I don't think it's enough to lift him out of a likely distant last place.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/08/30/jagmeet-singhs-ndp-membership-nu...
So:
1. Angus
2. Singh
3. Ashton
4. Caron
I know you're a Charlie supporter but take a step back and think about this. An accusation that the Angus campaign made and hasn't said anything else about is "significant" and "more(?!??!) bad optics for Singh"? Really?
While you hate Singh, most out there don't feel the same. Most New Democrats regardless if they're supporting him or not see a rising star and may very well rank him as their second choice after say Caron or Ashton. I know five people I spoke to recently that are supporting Guy but have Jagmeet as their second choice. He's not finished if he doesn't win on the first ballot.
None of us "hate(s) Singh" and you know it. There are legitimate concerns here, none of which are driven by personal animus towards the man:
1) The very real fear that making Singh leader would guarantee a wipeout in Quebec, while producing nowhere near enough gains to make up for that wipeout anywhere else in the country, let alone the fact that an NDP electoral victory would be essentially mathematically impossible if a Quebec wipeout occurred;
2) Suspicion that the overwhelming support Singh receives from the party bureaucracy would mean that any chance of democratizing the way the party is run or giving rank-and-file Dippers any real say over who the party nominates and what it stands for would be thwarted, thus keeping the party in its current dead zone on policy and its current near-total disconnect with the times;
3) The sense, fair or not, that Singh is further to the right on policy than any other leadership candidate-a sense fed by the fact that Singh released his policy ideas later than any other leadership candidate while his campaign essentially said "it's enough that he has charisma"-and that he is the least likely to be sympathetic to the idea of connecting the party directly to the social movements in which most of the energy the party will need to harness if it's to win next time is now focused.
None of that is about hatred, none of it is about prejudice against Sikhs.
And can you truly say, Hunky that NONE of those particular concerns are in any way justified?
Jagmeet could easily address all of these, but to this date simply hasn't chosen to. Is there a reason that shouldn't be worrying?
I agree with everything you've said, Ken Burch - they're all huge concerns. With Singh we get a continuation of the same top-down structure that's been controlling the party during the Mulcair years, and the same lack of democracy, and I can't support that. I fear Singh would be a disaster in Quebec, and would be unable to grow the party outside major urban areas. And I've previously mentioned a variety of other concerns I have about Singh, including (off the top of my head) his poor debating skills, occasionally rude behavior with other candidates, seeming arrogance, vagueness and evasiveness. His delays in deciding his viewpoints are interminable and annoying; how long will the media stand for his 4-day delays in coming up with positions before they just ignore him altogether? (I get that he wants to wait until everyone else has given their opinion before forming his own, but I don't value that in a candidate.) It is not enough that he has charisma!
And, again, none of those critiques has anything to do with hatred or prejudice.
Sorry folks -- We should be having this conversation in the Leadership thread, but it's Hunkey's fault for bringing the debate into this thread also, instead of leaving it to simple predictions of the outcome.
Fri, 2017-09-01 21:59
#25
Not meaning to snark but just asking are there polls folks are going by for these predictions?
How could the 47,000 people signed up by Singh's campaign be included in a poll? According to Singh's campaign, they signed up at least 25,000 people in Greater Toronto alone and at least another 10,000 in Greater Vancouver alone. I think the key to determining who wins will be the Singh campaign's ability to get out their vote. I think it should also be remembered that not much more than half the membership voted last time.
Fri, 2017-09-01 22:04
#26
Says R.E.Wood... the person who brought up "significant" problems and "bad optics" coming from more Angus mistruths? Right...
Fri, 2017-09-01 22:05
#27
Well, Ken... I'm pleased Singh doesn't comment on conspiracy theories that you've come up with. Cheers.
Fri, 2017-09-01 22:26
#28
Well, Ken... I'm pleased Singh doesn't comment on conspiracy theories that you've come up with. Cheers.
I didn't "come up" with any of those, and they aren't conspiracy theories. It's entirely reasonable to assume that the candidate backed by most of the party establishment is going to be the "more of the same" candidate.
Sat, 2017-09-02 00:02
#29
How could the 47,000 people signed up by Singh's campaign be included in a poll? According to Singh's campaign, they signed up at least 25,000 people in Greater Toronto alone and at least another 10,000 in Greater Vancouver alone. I think the key to determining who wins will be the Singh campaign's ability to get out their vote. I think it should also be remembered that not much more than half the membership voted last time.
Too bad for Singh that Greater Toronto and Greater Vancouver can't determine a national election.
Sat, 2017-09-02 00:53
#30
progressive17
The important thing is to find out who's the tall poppy and ruthlessly chop them down. Otherwise, we wouldn't be Canadians, eh? The plot thickens.
Sat, 2017-09-02 07:43
#31
Too bad for Singh that Greater Toronto and Greater Vancouver can't determine a national electionIn fact they do, given the two parties that have historically won have also have substantial bases elsewhere. If the NDP dominated GT and GV, and held on to its support in Quebec and elsewhere, that would be enough to win.
However I think the bigger question is - just because Singh has signed up relatively large numbers of members in these two metros does it mean the NDP would make big gains in them with him as leader. It could just mean that he's effective in getting signups from his own ethnic group, who can certainly carry a few ridings in each metro but not much beyond that.
Sat, 2017-09-02 08:45
#32
Without quoting them, in the desire to conserve space, well said Ken Burch and R.E. Wood.
Sun, 2017-09-03 03:47
#33
The important thing is to find out who's the tall poppy and ruthlessly chop them down. Otherwise, we wouldn't be Canadians, eh?
wait...what?
Sat, 2017-09-09 16:14
#34
I'm going to modify my prediction:
Ballot / 1st / 2nd / 3rd / 4th
1st / Singh / Caron & Angus tied / Ashton
2nd / Singh / Caron / Angus
3rd / Singh / Caron
4th / Caron wins
Mon, 2017-09-11 11:50
#35
I'll also modify my predictions slightly.
I think with all the momentum Caron currently has he'll get significantly more than my previous prediction of low teens. I think he can easily hit 20% gaining primarily from Singh, I think it'll be from Singh because in every leadership race (and general election for that matter) there is a good chunk of voters who want to back a winner, that cohort is likely to be in Singh's camp currently (maybe some in Angus' camp, but based on media coverage not as much as Singh, no one is predicting an Ashton win, so there are likely to be few in her camp who support her primarily because they want to back a winner.) The fact that Singh and Angus were laudatory towards Caron during the debate makes me more convinced that this is the case, they want to be well placed to regain the supporters they lost to Caron in future rounds.
My prediction rankings remain the same however:
1. Angus
2. Ashton
3. Singh
4. Caron
Mon, 2017-09-11 14:43
#36
I'll also modify my predictions slightly. I think with all the momentum Caron currently has he'll get significantly more than my previous prediction of low teens. I think he can easily hit 20% gaining primarily from Singh, I think it'll be from Singh because in every leadership race (and general election for that matter) there is a good chunk of voters who want to back a winner, that cohort is likely to be in Singh's camp currently (maybe some in Angus' camp, but based on media coverage not as much as Singh, no one is predicting an Ashton win, so there are likely to be few in her camp who support her primarily because they want to back a winner.) The fact that Singh and Angus were laudatory towards Caron during the debate makes me more convinced that this is the case, they want to be well placed to regain the supporters they lost to Caron in future rounds.My prediction rankings remain the same however: 1. Angus 2. Ashton 3. Singh 4. Caron
After signing up 47,000 members Singh will be in 3rd place?
Tue, 2017-09-12 16:44
#37
There are legitimate concerns here, none of which are driven by personal animus towards the man:1) The very real fear that making Singh leader would guarantee a wipeout in Quebec, while producing nowhere near enough gains to make up for that wipeout anywhere else in the country, let alone the fact that an NDP electoral victory would be essentially mathematically impossible if a Quebec wipeout occurred;
2) Suspicion that the overwhelming support Singh receives from the party bureaucracy would mean that any chance of democratizing the way the party is run or giving rank-and-file Dippers any real say over who the party nominates and what it stands for would be thwarted, thus keeping the party in its current dead zone on policy and its current near-total disconnect with the times;
3) The sense, fair or not, that Singh is further to the right on policy than any other leadership candidate-a sense fed by the fact that Singh released his policy ideas later than any other leadership candidate while his campaign essentially said "it's enough that he has charisma"-and that he is the least likely to be sympathetic to the idea of connecting the party directly to the social movements in which most of the energy the party will need to harness if it's to win next time is now focused.
None of that is about hatred, none of it is about prejudice against Sikhs.
And can you truly say, Hunky that NONE of those particular concerns are in any way justified?
Jagmeet could easily address all of these, but to this date simply hasn't chosen to. Is there a reason that shouldn't be worrying?
I'll add this:
4) His refusal to *absolutely* commit to running federally in the next election regardless of the outcome (which by definition rules him out for standing again provincially next year) is a challenge. (Not to mention claiming that he knows that he will win is very arrogant, and thank you so much Niki for calling that out) It says a great deal about his commitment to the party. He is currently very well positioned within the Ontario NDP. Is he prepared to risk all of that to challenge a sitting MP for the greater benefit of the federal party?
Tue, 2017-09-12 17:03
#38
4) His refusal to *absolutely* commit to running federally in the next election regardless of the outcome (which by definition rules him out for standing again provincially next year) is a challenge. (Not to mention claiming that he knows that he will win is very arrogant, and thank you so much Niki for calling that out) It says a great deal about his commitment to the party. He is currently very well positioned within the Ontario NDP. Is he prepared to risk all of that to challenge a sitting MP for the greater benefit of the federal party?
That's just idiotic. Both the provincial and federal wings of the NDP are part of the same family. Treating one as not part of the NDP is stupid beyond belief.
Tue, 2017-09-12 17:15
#39
After the latest polling numbers and seeing how far Ashton is behind, I'm revising my rankings.
1. Angus
2. Singh
3. Ashton
4. Caron
Angus probably has to wait to the 3rd round to win.
Tue, 2017-09-12 17:35
#40
4) His refusal to *absolutely* commit to running federally in the next election regardless of the outcome (which by definition rules him out for standing again provincially next year) is a challenge. (Not to mention claiming that he knows that he will win is very arrogant, and thank you so much Niki for calling that out) It says a great deal about his commitment to the party. He is currently very well positioned within the Ontario NDP. Is he prepared to risk all of that to challenge a sitting MP for the greater benefit of the federal party?
As an NDP member in Hamilton, I just don't see the sense of this argument. If Singh does not win the federal leadership, why is it better for me that he run (and quite possibly lose) as a federal MP in 2019, than that he run provincially in 2018 and help the ONDP get closer to government in Ontario. In the best case, he could be a minister in a Horwath government. Why should I want him to promise that he won't do any of those things?
Tue, 2017-09-12 18:28
#41
First ballot:
1. Angus
2. Singh
3. Ashton
4. Caron
Final ballot:
1. Singh
2. Angus
Wed, 2017-09-13 12:40
#42
I'm going to go ahead and pick against the spread. I think the first ballot looks like this:
1. Singh
2. Angus
3. Caron
4. Ashton
People will be surprised to see Ashton go out first, as she has built up a lot of support particularly from the left of the party, but I have gotten the impression that she has lost a bit of momentum lately, and she was the first off the ballot in 2012 so it's possible her support base is more limited than it appears.
I don't think this goes more than two ballots and I think Singh wins on the second. For sake of argument, though, if Caron and Angus were close enough and a disproportionate share of Ashton's votes go to Caron, I could see Caron pipping Angus on the second and beating Singh in the third. That sort of drama is much more likely in a delegated convention, though.
Wed, 2017-09-13 15:52
#43
I'm going to go ahead and pick against the spread. I think the first ballot looks like this:
1. Singh
2. Angus
3. Caron
4. Ashton
People will be surprised to see Ashton go out first, as she has built up a lot of support particularly from the left of the party, but I have gotten the impression that she has lost a bit of momentum lately, and she was the first off the ballot in 2012 so it's possible her support base is more limited than it appears.
I don't think this goes more than two ballots and I think Singh wins on the second. For sake of argument, though, if Caron and Angus were close enough and a disproportionate share of Ashton's votes go to Caron, I could see Caron pipping Angus on the second and beating Singh in the third. That sort of drama is much more likely in a delegated convention, though.
If speaking French is important for a large number of people then if either Ashton or Caron fall off early the other has a substantial opportunity to pick up. Ashton's French is fairly good. So if Ashton falls off and some of her support is due to her also speaking French, then you have to expect Caron to get a boost and visa versa. If the candidates are close this could help decide the result. I suspect that those who support Singh or Angus have decided that French is not essential while that may not be true of Ashton.
It is possible that this is the only path for Caron (having Ashton drop off first). Caron needs to avoid last place, have Ashton be last and have the race close enough that she has enough supporters to go his way to make a difference so that he can get to second and miss last place in the second round. Then in a battle for first against Angus or Singh he would have to prevail.
Put another way, the number of votes for Ashton and Caron together are votes who may have a French ability considered a priority whereas if Angus and Singh take well over half, then Caron cannot win. I will be looking at this split in the first to predict how the rest may go.
Apart from this, Caron deserves more support in my opinion.
Wed, 2017-09-13 15:54
#44
First ballot:
1. Angus
2. Singh
3. Ashton
4. Caron
Final ballot:
1. Singh
2. Angus
If no person who speaks French can even make the run-off, this will send a difficult message for the party. The two who have French are Caron and Ashton.
Wed, 2017-09-13 16:15
#45
I have Ashton and Caron a very close 1-2 as my own preferences and I do think French is important (it's one of the (several) things that disqualifies Angus for me). I think Singh's French is adequate, although maybe it only sounds that way with Angus talking beside him.
Wed, 2017-09-13 20:47
#46
What a huge disadvantage the NDP will be at if their new leader, as opposed to planning for the next election, has to spend a lot of time take French language lessons.
Wed, 2017-09-13 22:23
#47
!!
Wed, 2017-09-13 21:30
#48
What a huge disadvantage the NDP will be at if their new leader, as opposed to planning for the next election, has to spend a lot of time take French language lessons.
I agree -- so the only thing to do would be to put one of the two Frnech Speaking Candidates in the first position to make sure they are not eliminated
Thu, 2017-09-14 09:56
#49
Sean, you're almost convincing me to put Caron first on ballot #1. (Also - see the article I've posted in the Leadership thread about MP Nantel.)
Thu, 2017-09-14 16:35
#50
Sean, you're almost convincing me to put Caron first on ballot #1. (Also - see the article I've posted in the Leadership thread about MP Nantel.)
Thanks -- I did read the article and I think it was very good for him. I am very fearful of what will happen to the NDP without a leader that can address most of the party's MPs and their constituents in their own language -- effectively.
For me this is a big issue and while not the only issue a big one.
Caron, though has also been the most impressive for me in terms of content as much as I also appreciate Ashton. I appreciate Angus due to his passion and dedication to First Peoples.
Thu, 2017-09-14 19:14
#51
What a huge disadvantage the NDP will be at if their new leader, as opposed to planning for the next election, has to spend a lot of time take French language lessons.
What if they have to spend a whole lot of their time taking care of a newborn baby??
I'm pretty sure that accomplished and effective people can do more than one thing at a time. If you just don't like Singh or Angus, feel free to say. But why pretend that they'll have to be spending more time on something else than on solving the world's problems?