Jagmeet Singh, NDP Leader

Where is the thread 'Singh and the NDP are done Like Dinner,Who's Going To Benefit From It?'

The Liberals have a communication error in India trip,the majority of people were gleefully celebrating that the Liberal party is dead and Trudeau is finished.

Now Singh is guilty of the same thing,but even worse,he's admitted he's a Sikh Seperatist and was involved with people who may or may not be terrorists.

So if the Liberals are finished because of what happened in India,why wouldn't that apply to Singh and the NDP?

Now everyone has an excuse for him,some believe this will BENEFIT him. Make up your mind. A leader and a Party is on its death bed because of some Indian shit or they are not.

Also,Trudeau wants a united India,Singh wants to seperate. Who's the moderate? Who's actually digging themselves out of the Indian disaster? Well,it isn't Singh.

People here seem to have a double standard. Another party does something,they are attacked and declared 'done like dinner' and now that the same thing has happened to the Orange team (and did so much more blatantly) everyone has an excuse,the whole thing is downplayed and instead of being 'done like dinner' , this will actually help the NDP.

Ha ha Charade You Are.

If the first place party is finished,the third place party (who can hardly surpass 20% in the polls) is what? If the Indian issue costs the Liberals a few points,what happens to the NDP? They can't afford to lose a couple of points.

Admit it. Singh fucked up big time. There was no problem echoing the right wing tabloids that Trudeau fucked up big time. What makes this any different? I'm sure someone can explain the pretzel logic at play here.

NDPP wrote:

Chrystia Freeland is also 'up to [her] neck in the ethno-nationalist politics of another country.' If Singh has to renounce Kalistan, Freeland should renounce Bandera fascism in Ukraine.

Ya actually it's a LOT more deeper than that! 

If Jag has to renounce Kalistan, then ALL European leaders in Canada have to renounce crimes of colonialism committed by ALL European and European descent countries!

But that's not how European standards work. One high standard for non western nations/peoples, much lower standard for western nations/peoples. Hypocricy never ends when it comes to the west!

alan smithee wrote:

Where is the thread 'Singh and the NDP are done Like Dinner,Who's Going To Benefit From It?'

The Liberals have a communication error in India trip,the majority of people were gleefully celebrating that the Liberal party is dead and Trudeau is finished.

Now Singh is guilty of the same thing,but even worse,he's admitted he's a Sikh Seperatist and was involved with people who may or may not be terrorists.

So if the Liberals are finished because of what happened in India,why wouldn't that apply to Singh and the NDP?

Now everyone has an excuse for him,some believe this will BENEFIT him. Make up your mind. A leader and a Party is on its death bed because of some Indian shit or they are not.

Also,Trudeau wants a united India,Singh wants to seperate. Who's the moderate? Who's actually digging themselves out of the Indian disaster? Well,it isn't Singh.

People here seem to have a double standard. Another party does something,they are attacked and declared 'done like dinner' and now that the same thing has happened to the Orange team (and did so much more blatantly) everyone has an excuse,the whole thing is downplayed and instead of being 'done like dinner' , this will actually help the NDP.

Ha ha Charade You Are.

If the first place party is finished,the third place party (who can hardly surpass 20% in the polls) is what? If the Indian issue costs the Liberals a few points,what happens to the NDP? They can't afford to lose a couple of points.

Admit it. Singh fucked up big time. There was no problem echoing the right wing tabloids that Trudeau fucked up big time. What makes this any different? I'm sure someone can explain the pretzel logic at play here.

I agree with you completely. To be fair, there are several people posting here who seem to agree as well - not everyone is burying their heads in the sand about this issue, or bizarrely claiming it will somehow help Singh and the NDP (which it will not).

WWWTT wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Chrystia Freeland is also 'up to [her] neck in the ethno-nationalist politics of another country.' If Singh has to renounce Kalistan, Freeland should renounce Bandera fascism in Ukraine.

Ya actually it's a LOT more deeper than that! 

If Jag has to renounce Kalistan, then ALL European leaders in Canada have to renounce crimes of colonialism committed by ALL European and European descent countries!

But that's not how European standards work. One high standard for non western nations/peoples, much lower standard for western nations/peoples. Hypocricy never ends when it comes to the west!

This is part of the tactic to smear everyone who is criticizing this as racist.

Also he is not asked to renounce it. What he has to make clear is that he would not use his position, without the  support of his party, at least, to advocate, support or engage with it during his time as leader.

Any political leader with history related to connections with those with conflicts in other countries, if asked, needs to tell Canadians that they will not use their position to advocate for those things against the will of their country and party.

Singh can call for position changes if he wants in his party by resolution -- just like any other member can. However, he has to not use his position to advocate publicly for this without asking for the backing of his membership. This is based on the idea that we do not run dictatorships in Canada and leaders do not on their own make policy decisions of this kind (advocating the interuption of the territorial integrity of another country).

This is a big deal. Canada was a signatory to the Helsinki Final Act. This held up the emerging princiople in international law that states will not promote violations of the territorial integrity of states and the principle of non-intervention. This is frequently violated to be sure, but it is not insignificant and it is effectively a hostile act among nations. Individuals, respecting free speech can take this position. Governments do, having considered their internal politcs and presumably with the needed support. It is a challenging road to go down in a democracy without respect for that process. The fact that others do this is not an excuse for the NDP leader to do it. He also at only about 1/5 of public support simply cannot afford to.

Now of course he can do otherwise and lead his party to a resounding and unnecessary defeat.

As a Canadian he can work within his party's system getting a mandate, he can be an independent politician, he can as an individual  represent any view he likes short of incenting violence. He will pay a heavy price, along with his party, if he thinks that he can use his position as leader to advocate for the breakup of an other country Canada wants decent relations where the majority of Canadians are not in agreement with that position and he has not sought out the support of his party to do this.

It shows terrible judgement if he thinks this will not be a political issue and a disregard for the position he holds.

He is asking for the massacre to be considered a genocide and on this he is going through his party, I understand. He needs to make clear that anything with respect to Sihk politics will follow and that unless otherwise mandated by his party he will teke a position in favour of Indian territorial integrity.

Canadians will expect as well that he consider that this is a conflict that has already brought the greatest attack on Canada in history. Getting invovled in any way at all is something Canadians will be wary about.

FRom WWWTT ;

I think Jag is going to come out of this further ahead. First off, free advertising. Secondly he’s a Sikh, his opinion fucking counts! Justin is a rich privileged white person working as corporate media circus freek side show.

Excuses and downplaying and believing this will somehow HELP and not HURT the NDP.

So what was the big controversy surrounding Trudeau and his wife again that has made the Liberals done like dinner?

It's all a bunch of partisan hackery at its worst.

You could be right Alan Smithee?

Jag is Sikh and Indian Heritage, Justin is not.

WWWTT wrote:

FRom WWWTT ;

I think Jag is going to come out of this further ahead. First off, free advertising. Secondly he’s a Sikh, his opinion fucking counts! Justin is a rich privileged white person working as corporate media circus freek side show.

 

Excuses and downplaying and believing this will somehow HELP and not HURT the NDP.

So what was the big controversy surrounding Trudeau and his wife again that has made the Liberals done like dinner?

It's all a bunch of partisan hackery at its worst.

You could be right Alan Smithee?

Jag is Sikh and Indian Heritage, Justin is not.

Oh,I see....Singh can be a Seperatist and surround himself with possible terrorists but Justin can't wear Indian dress and have a pictre taken with the wrong person because he's white and Singh is Indian..Got it. It's all about race. The last refuge for an arguement without providing any real answers.

WWWTT wrote:

LOL ya basically that's it. When you're a white person growing up in privelege I don't think you really understand what it's like to come from a place where there's violence against you because of your religion and peoples and your life is in danger. That's probably part of why Jag's family came to Canada in the first place.

Let's talk about 'privilege' Singh's net worth is an estimated $4 000 000. I doubt he was raised in squalor,I'm sure his family are also millionaires. Just because you flee a country for the reasons you listed,does not mean that Jag is not a product of 'privilege'

Economic privilege is not exclusive to whites. This isn't 1910.

alan smithee wrote:

Let's talk about 'privilege' Singh's net worth is an estimated $4 000 000. I doubt he was raised in squalor

Singh attended a private high school in Beverly Hills, Michigan (not a joke).

There’s a huge difference between working for what you have and being born with a silver spoon in your mouth. 

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There’s a huge difference between working for what you have and being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

Would you at least agree that whether Singh worked for what he has, or was born with a silver spoon in his mouth (market value: $14) that he certainly did not have to live through any horrors in India?

I'm not suggesting he can't support sovereignty for the Sikh minority, and I'm not even criticizing him supporting that sovereignty.  But he has no memory of being discriminated against in India any more then I remember the "dirty Irish" being spat on.

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Now there could be a number of reasons why Jag got into a private high school.

Private High School$ only really have that one requirement, for the mo$t part.  But what $ay you?  What do you think that requirement i$?

Again, though, who cares?  I don't care if his parents were doctors or lawyers or whatever.  Are we really all just holding our breath for a 'sanitary engineer' to lead us all?  No problem there, if s/he actually leads us, but who the hell cares whether Singh's parents were professionals, or sorted trash for 5 rupees a day?

Toronto Life Magazine reported that Jagmeet Singh has bought a house in Alexandra Park (Spadina-Fort York) where prices can range from 1 Million + all the way to 2.5 Million.

From Toronto Life below

Jagmeet has a taste for dandy luxuries that don’t comport with the monkish minimalism of his party. He wears bespoke suits  in the slim British style (at $2,000 each and he has multiple bespoke suits)—his favourite is a brown tweed with cobalt-blue stripes, designed by a tailor in New Delhi, which he often pairs with a millennial-pink turban. He owns two Rolex watches, an Oyster Perpetual Datejust and a ­Submariner (both were gifts); a crimson BMW coupe; and six designer bicycles. “I have just an absurd number of bikes,” he says. “More than one person should have.”

His kirpan, the ceremonial Sikh dagger he wears under his jacket, is a steel design by a metal­worker outside Boston. Since joining Queen’s Park in 2011, Singh has become one of the city’s most devoted partygoers, a regular at King West nightspots and gala fund­raisers, at fashion shows and ­Raptors games.

https://torontolife.com/city/life/behind-the-scenes-with-jagmeet-singh/

alan smithee wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

There’s a huge difference between working for what you have and being born with a silver spoon in your mouth. 

 

Im a betting man so I'll bet you Singh's net worth that he comes from a privileged background.

Take a look at brookmere's comment. He went to private high school in the States. Care to prove me wrong?

I'll take that bet!

https://starsunfolded.com/jagmeet-singh/

Now there could be a number of reasons why Jag got into a private high school. 

Are you kidding me?

His father is a Psychiatrist and his mother is a Banker.

If his father had a private practice (and this bio niether confirms or denies it) we're talking a good $400 000/yr

His mother is a 'banker' . What kind of banker? Again,this bio provides no in depth information. Bankers (depending on what kind of banking she's involved with) can make a shit ton of money. Anyone familiar with politicians with banking backgrounds are quite aware that they usually,more often than not, are very wealthy. Again,the bio details her work VERY vaguely.

So I'm happy you took my bet. Can't wait to collect. I hope your bank account can accomodate it.

Actually you lost the bet. The link shows that Jags family weren’t privileged and earned their keep. Same with Jag. It helps when your parents have good jobs of course, but they earned them!

I wonder what kind of racism Justin faced growing up?

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not really sure if Jag lived through horror when he lived in India?

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest he didn't.

This comparison to Trudeau is a misdirection. First, I don't care about Trudeau -- if he destroys the Liberal party I won't shed a tear. Secondly, the policies that he is following are consistent with Liberal policy. I have never supported that party and cannot speak to whether he is freelancing or doing what he has a mandate for. I am more familiar with the NDP and I know that the NDP does not have a policy of supporting interference in the territorial integrity of other countries. We are not talking about playing dressup in India -- involvement with naitonalists wanting the breakup of a country Canada desires good relations with is a different matter. The partisans here are ignoring this.

But the truly astonishing thing is that this is coming from some New Democrats who, you would think, would have some interest in Singh being successful, wanting to avoid political damage to the NDP and wanting the party to control major policies like desiring that the second most populous country, one Canada wants to have good relations with, be broken up. ---Or any fuzziness on this issue.

This Trump still deflection of go look at Trudeau is BS. If you want to debate the issues with Trudeau, I am probably going to agree with you but apply those arguments as a way to defect attention here is not a reasonable discussion tactic.

I don't disagree that Singh suffers from Racism -- not even that his mistakes will get used by racists. But that does nto mean that we should gather around deny any issues and pretend anyone unhappy is a racist.

WWWTT wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

There’s a huge difference between working for what you have and being born with a silver spoon in your mouth. 

 

Im a betting man so I'll bet you Singh's net worth that he comes from a privileged background.

Take a look at brookmere's comment. He went to private high school in the States. Care to prove me wrong?

I'll take that bet!

https://starsunfolded.com/jagmeet-singh/

Now there could be a number of reasons why Jag got into a private high school. 

Are you kidding me?

His father is a Psychiatrist and his mother is a Banker.

If his father had a private practice (and this bio niether confirms or denies it) we're talking a good $400 000/yr

His mother is a 'banker' . What kind of banker? Again,this bio provides no in depth information. Bankers (depending on what kind of banking she's involved with) can make a shit ton of money. Anyone familiar with politicians with banking backgrounds are quite aware that they usually,more often than not, are very wealthy. Again,the bio details her work VERY vaguely.

So I'm happy you took my bet. Can't wait to collect. I hope your bank account can accomodate it.

Actually you lost the bet. The link shows that Jags family weren’t privileged and earned their keep. Same with Jag. It helps when your parents have good jobs of course, but they earned them!

I wonder what kind of racism Justin faced growing up?

Show me where in that bio that suggests that? I think you just pulled that out of your ass. His parents are wealthy,hence Singh grew up privileged. Just like Trudeau. In fact their backgrounds are almost exactly the same.

His parents are obviously well educated and have very high income careers. Racism? Gee,I never knew brown people could be wealthy. Only whites. And only whites are privileged. What a pile of bullshit. Your partisanship has your head deeply up your ass. Singh grew up privileged and this controversy will hit him and the NDP just as hard (or harder) as Trudeau and the Liberals. If you believe the Liberals are done because of Trudeau's India trip you have to believe the NDP are done because of Singh's ties with Seperatists and possible terrorists.

You've drank the kool aid and are obviously intoxicated with your support of Singh no matter what. Sort of like a Trumpist.

Give it up.

And seeing that you can't prove me wrong that Singh grew up wealthy,pony over the cash,you lost the bet.

Someone quoted above wrote:

Both the Conservatives and the Liberals have an interest in painting Jagmeet Singh as "the other", a man to be feared because he's going to import foreign disputes onto Canadian soil and undermine business relations with India.

That's probably true. But then, this same writer also calls for more media attention paid to Indian government spies operating in Canada. If that line of inquiry were pursued, it would likely also be exploited by racists, to demonize India and probably Indian-born Canadians also.

Pondering wrote:

You know I have never held Trudeau's background against him. Actions not wealth define a person. 

Singh has a much more impressive resume of accomplishments but that isn't the deciding factor either. 

Policy is. 

Well I certainly agree. Policy is all that matters. There are some policies in the works now that will benefit almost everyone (National Housing Act for example)

I don't care about backgrounds either. It seems the only sustained attack on Trudeau is that he's wealthy. Newsflash to those people...ALL our Ptime Ministers from day #1 were wealthy and privileged. Attacking Trudeau because not only is he privileged but he's white and for some reason that makes it alright to kick him around. I'm not a big Liberal supporter but if the NDP can't win and become our government,I'm perfectly fine with the Liberals. The other party is truly regressive and a REAL danger to our individual freedoms,our current rights,to the marginalized,etc,etc and there is a lot more to attack when it comes to Scheer and the Conservatives. Like I've said a million times..If you think the Liberals are bad,you ain't seen nothing yet with a Conservative government.

I'd rather  get SOME policies I want passed rather than NONE. And that's the only reason I'm defending the Liberals. The NDP does not have a chance in 2019 which is an unfortunate fact. Therefore I prefer a Liberal government over a Conservative one.

As for the privilege arguement,without naming names,there are some here who believe only whites are or can be economically privileged. That was true a 100 years ago ,but it's certainly not true now. Living in Montreal (and probably much more in Vancouver) it's rich (privileged) Chinese buying up a lot of our real estate. And China is a so called 'Communist' country. So go figure.

And lastly,some times I have to call bullshit when I smell it. Everyone here ripped apart Trudeau and the |Liberals over that India trip. Now Singh is in a controversy for the same thing but more blatant.

If Canadians don't care about Singh's short comings,I'm pretty sure people will look past Trudeau's.

And that is my point.

Constantly tearing apart Trudeau over his 'privileged' life gets tiring really quick. Name me ONE PM who wasn't.

So all I'm doing is calling out bullshit.

But I'm with you. Instead of attacking people for things deemed not a big deal for Singh,why don't we talk policy. It looks like the Liberals have kept their promise about cannabis and I'm pretty sure they will follow through with a National Housing Act because even the provinces want that.

It's about policy. It's also about not always getting everything you want. That's the nature of politics. But if you can get at least some of them,be happy.

We sure as hell know that we won't get ANY policy we want under a Con government. Those who don't know that are the problem.

alan smithee wrote:

Pondering wrote:

You know I have never held Trudeau's background against him. Actions not wealth define a person. 

Singh has a much more impressive resume of accomplishments but that isn't the deciding factor either. 

Policy is. 

Well I certainly agree. Policy is all that matters. There are some policies in the works now that will benefit almost everyone (National Housing Act for example)

I don't care about backgrounds either. It seems the only sustained attack on Trudeau is that he's wealthy. Newsflash to those people...ALL our Ptime Ministers from day #1 were wealthy and privileged. Attacking Trudeau because not only is he privileged but he's white and for some reason that makes it alright to kick him around. I'm not a big Liberal supporter but if the NDP can't win and become our government,I'm perfectly fine with the Liberals. The other party is truly regressive and a REAL danger to our individual freedoms,our current rights,to the marginalized,etc,etc and there is a lot more to attack when it comes to Scheer and the Conservatives. Like I've said a million times..If you think the Liberals are bad,you ain't seen nothing yet with a Conservative government.

I'd rather  get SOME policies I want passed rather than NONE. And that's the only reason I'm defending the Liberals. The NDP does not have a chance in 2019 which is an unfortunate fact. Therefore I prefer a Liberal government over a Conservative one.

As for the privilege arguement,without naming names,there are some here who believe only whites are or can be economically privileged. That was true a 100 years ago ,but it's certainly not true now. Living in Montreal (and probably much more in Vancouver) it's rich (privileged) Chinese buying up a lot of our real estate. And China is a so called 'Communist' country. So go figure.

And lastly,some times I have to call bullshit when I smell it. Everyone here ripped apart Trudeau and the |Liberals over that India trip. Now Singh is in a controversy for the same thing but more blatant.

If Canadians don't care about Singh's short comings,I'm pretty sure people will look past Trudeau's.

And that is my point.

Constantly tearing apart Trudeau over his 'privileged' life gets tiring really quick. Name me ONE PM who wasn't.

So all I'm doing is calling out bullshit.

But I'm with you. Instead of attacking people for things deemed not a big deal for Singh,why don't we talk policy. It looks like the Liberals have kept their promise about cannabis and I'm pretty sure they will follow through with a National Housing Act because even the provinces want that.

It's about policy. It's also about not always getting everything you want. That's the nature of politics. But if you can get at least some of them,be happy.

We sure as hell know that we won't get ANY policy we want under a Con government. Those who don't know that are the problem.

ahh I see where you’re coming from. 

I stated privileged and not necessarily rich or wealthy. 

Justin got elected on his name and that alone. Perfect example of privilege. 

As far as comparable wealth between Jag and Justin, if Justin ever falls on hard times, he can use his celebrity and go on tour doing speeches making 50K a night. 

WWWTT wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Pondering wrote:

You know I have never held Trudeau's background against him. Actions not wealth define a person. 

Singh has a much more impressive resume of accomplishments but that isn't the deciding factor either. 

Policy is. 

Well I certainly agree. Policy is all that matters. There are some policies in the works now that will benefit almost everyone (National Housing Act for example)

I don't care about backgrounds either. It seems the only sustained attack on Trudeau is that he's wealthy. Newsflash to those people...ALL our Ptime Ministers from day #1 were wealthy and privileged. Attacking Trudeau because not only is he privileged but he's white and for some reason that makes it alright to kick him around. I'm not a big Liberal supporter but if the NDP can't win and become our government,I'm perfectly fine with the Liberals. The other party is truly regressive and a REAL danger to our individual freedoms,our current rights,to the marginalized,etc,etc and there is a lot more to attack when it comes to Scheer and the Conservatives. Like I've said a million times..If you think the Liberals are bad,you ain't seen nothing yet with a Conservative government.

I'd rather  get SOME policies I want passed rather than NONE. And that's the only reason I'm defending the Liberals. The NDP does not have a chance in 2019 which is an unfortunate fact. Therefore I prefer a Liberal government over a Conservative one.

As for the privilege arguement,without naming names,there are some here who believe only whites are or can be economically privileged. That was true a 100 years ago ,but it's certainly not true now. Living in Montreal (and probably much more in Vancouver) it's rich (privileged) Chinese buying up a lot of our real estate. And China is a so called 'Communist' country. So go figure.

And lastly,some times I have to call bullshit when I smell it. Everyone here ripped apart Trudeau and the |Liberals over that India trip. Now Singh is in a controversy for the same thing but more blatant.

If Canadians don't care about Singh's short comings,I'm pretty sure people will look past Trudeau's.

And that is my point.

Constantly tearing apart Trudeau over his 'privileged' life gets tiring really quick. Name me ONE PM who wasn't.

So all I'm doing is calling out bullshit.

But I'm with you. Instead of attacking people for things deemed not a big deal for Singh,why don't we talk policy. It looks like the Liberals have kept their promise about cannabis and I'm pretty sure they will follow through with a National Housing Act because even the provinces want that.

It's about policy. It's also about not always getting everything you want. That's the nature of politics. But if you can get at least some of them,be happy.

We sure as hell know that we won't get ANY policy we want under a Con government. Those who don't know that are the problem.

ahh I see where you’re coming from. 

I stated privileged and not necessarily rich or wealthy. 

Justin got elected on his name and that alone. Perfect example of privilege. 

As far as comparable wealth between Jag and Justin, if Justin ever falls on hard times, he can use his celebrity and go on tour doing speeches making 50K a night. 

Oh..I see...Singh won't be dong the same as he campaigns...He's going to run without a penny he won't be having cocktail parties for $500 a plate to shore up money for the campaign.

By the way this is Canada not the US..Ex PM's don't get paid for appearances after their time in office. NONE. You think Mulroney has been running around making $50K for speeches and appearancers since he's been out of politics? Or Chretien? Or Martin? Even Harper doesn't.

To be fair,most of them end up with a high end position at a corporation,though.

Trudeau was elected on his platform. It just so happens his name is Trudeau.

So stop the horseshit,already, OK?

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By the way this is Canada not the US..Ex PM's don't get paid for appearances after their time in office. NONE. You think Mulroney has been running around making $50K for speeches and appearancers since he's been out of politics? Or Chretien? Or Martin? Even Harper doesn't.

What is your source for saying this? Mulroney, Chretien, and Harper are all registered with speakers bureaus. Is that only for American gigs?

voice of the damned wrote:

Smithee wrote:

By the way this is Canada not the US..Ex PM's don't get paid for appearances after their time in office. NONE. You think Mulroney has been running around making $50K for speeches and appearancers since he's been out of politics? Or Chretien? Or Martin? Even Harper doesn't.

What is your source for saying this? Mulroney, Chretien, and Harper are all registered with speakers bureaus. Is that only for American gigs?

Joe Clark is registered with a speakers bureau that apparently gets him Canadian gigs. He does this free of charge? 

https://tinyurl.com/y8hk5zc7a

Pondering wrote:

Thank-you NR

P.S. The good news is the mainstream media is losing it's influence because they are making themselves irrelevant. 

Was that a Donald Trump tweet?