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Multiple injuries reported after pedestrians struck by van in Toronto
Mon, 2018-04-23 13:57
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Multiple injuries reported after pedestrians struck by van in Toronto
Mon, 2018-04-23 14:07
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Apparently the van has fled the scene.
Tue, 2018-04-24 06:24
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Mon, 2018-04-23 14:21
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Apparently driver and the van are now in police custody
Mon, 2018-04-23 14:30
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paramedics say up to 5 pedestrians
Tue, 2018-04-24 06:28
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Mon, 2018-04-23 15:13
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Police initially estimated that eight to 10 pedestrians were hit, but clarified on Twitter a short time later that it is “too early to confirm the number of pedestrians struck or their injuries.”
Mon, 2018-04-23 15:15
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It appears there are some fatalities.
Mon, 2018-04-23 15:19
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Mon, 2018-04-23 15:22
#10
The MSM are chomping at the bit, waiting for any possible reason to ascribe this to "terrorism".
Mon, 2018-04-23 15:58
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Mainsteam Media is presently reporting one dead.
Mon, 2018-04-23 16:05
#12
My thoughts are with the injured and their families.
Mon, 2018-04-23 16:16
#13
‘This is not a car accident.’ At least 3 dead as van strikes pedestrians along Yonge St. in North York, driver in custody
Police say that a white van mounted the curb and struck pedestrians walking along the sidewalk.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/04/23/van-strikes-as-many-as-10-pe...
Mon, 2018-04-23 16:28
#14
Now the Star is saying 4 dead! How sad!
Mon, 2018-04-23 16:29
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Mainsteam Media is presently reporting one dead.
Thanks, but I'll wait to hear the REAL story from Paul Craig Roberts.
Mon, 2018-04-23 16:33
#16
Global News has confirmed Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Vance is about to step into a full briefing on the incident unfolding in Toronto. A strategic advisory alert has gone out to military commanders across the country. This alert contained the standard Who What When Where Why How information but he will be receiving further details within minutes.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4161785/pedestrians-hit-white-van-toronto/
Mon, 2018-04-23 16:51
#17
9 dead, 16 others injured.
Mon, 2018-04-23 17:22
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alan smithee
Hang the motherfucker. It's shit like this that has made the US crazier than they ever have and laid back Liberal Europe is falling prey to far right Neo-Nazis and fascists. This is going to drive many Canadians insane and fuck up our political discourse for the worst.
This is the shit that gave the world President Donald Trump. Congratulations Premier Legault,Premier Ford and PM Scheer. Here's your opportunity on a silver platter.
Make an example of this bastard and hang him and deport ANYONE conspiring to committing similar acts.
Now line up and attack me. I don't care.
Mon, 2018-04-23 17:25
#19
progressive17
PC 75%
Liberal 9%
NDP 16%
Mon, 2018-04-23 17:34
#20
Make an example of this bastard and hang him and deport ANYONE conspiring to committing similar acts.
Deport them to which country?
Now line up and attack me. I don't care.
Don't think of this as an attack, Alan. But how is what you're suggesting any different from what Doug Ford will be suggesting?
Mon, 2018-04-23 17:36
#21
Hang the motherfucker. It's shit like this that has made the US crazier than they ever have and laid back Liberal Europe is falling prey to far right Neo-Nazis and fascists. This is going to drive many Canadians insane and fuck up our political discourse for the worst.
This is the shit that gave the world President Donald Trump. Congratulations Premier Legault,Premier Ford and PM Scheer. Here's your opportunity on a silver platter.
Make an example of this bastard and hang him and deport ANYONE conspiring to committing similar acts.
Now line up and attack me. I don't care.
Oh, FFS. As for the U.S., far more people have been killed by racist terrorism the last several years. 4 were just gunned down at a restaurant by a white supremacist.
Mon, 2018-04-23 17:41
#22
PC 75%
Liberal 9%
NDP 16%
Didn't you say you were leaving?
Mon, 2018-04-23 17:52
#23
Ken and others. Please lay off the personal attacks particularly at a time like this.
PC 75%
Liberal 9%
NDP 16%Didn't you say you were leaving?
Mon, 2018-04-23 17:57
#24
alan smithee
Make an example of this bastard and hang him and deport ANYONE conspiring to committing similar acts.Deport them to which country?
Now line up and attack me. I don't care.Don't think of this as an attack, Alan. But how is what you're suggesting any different from what Doug Ford will be suggesting?
I'm sorry. But everyone knows damn well who is going to benefit from this. And it doesn't matter about White Supremist terrorism. It's been kicked into everyone's head about terrorism. It's not terrorism if it isn't committed by an Islamist terrorist. This is election year in some provinces. Next year is a federal election. It was looking like there was a chance that Horwath would win in Ontario. Forget it now. In Québec where CAQ is already the party of La Meute,this is just going to empower both CAQ and the far right in Québec.
Trudeau is predictably going to handle trhis like Obama handled Islamic terrorism and people are going to think of him and the entire Left as weak. The already xenophobic Conserevatives are going to climb up in the polls,just wait for it. It's going to happen really fast.
Who are the victims besides these innocent people in Toronto? ALL Canadians.
Thank you you Islamic piece of shit. I hope they at least throw him in jail immediately and hopefully he'll get torn apart. Therefore we won't need to hang him.
As for conspiring. Send them back where they came from. If they are Canadian born lock them up in prison for the rest of their miserable lives.
No mercy.motherfuckers.
Mon, 2018-04-23 18:10
#25
CF recruiting centre may have been the target? Reference to post #16.
Sad day for the nation.
Mon, 2018-04-23 18:01
#26
OK, Alan. But it really seems like you're agreeing with the right wing, while complaining that this event will help get them elected.
I agree that if this turns out to be a case of "foreign" (i.e. Muslim) terrorism, it won't hurt the right any. But if you AGREE with hanging them, deporting them, sending them "back to where they came from" then what's your beef? You might just get a government you agree with this time.
Mon, 2018-04-23 18:05
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alan smithee
OK, Alan. But it really seems like you're agreeing with the right wing, while complaining that this event will help get them elected.
I agree that if this turns out to be a case of "foreign" (i.e. Muslim) terrorism, it won't hurt the right any. But if you AGREE with hanging them, deporting them, sending them "back to where they came from" then what's your beef? You might just get a government you agree with this time.
It's not that I want a right wing Canada. But whoever this POS is,he's just put that scenario into action. This is why I want this bastard hanged. At the least torn apart by fellow inmates.
It hurts me to say these things. But this is the kind of shit that gives us President Trump and PM Scheer. They are sabotaging our political discourse. We've been moviong forward. This attack is going to throw us decades backward. If only I could have 5 minutes alone with the perp. If only.
Mon, 2018-04-23 18:09
#28
CNN is reporting that the van driver is known to the police for minor issues.
Mon, 2018-04-23 18:20
#29
The guy has an Armenian name. So, not necessarily white (though literally Caucasian), but far more likely Christian than Muslim. I'd put odds on the conversation switching to "mental illness" by morning.
Mon, 2018-04-23 18:39
#30
It hurts me to say these things. But this is the kind of shit that gives us President Trump and PM Scheer.
Yes, those things that hurt you to say are the kind of shit that gives us President Trump and PM Scheer.
Ask yourself this: what would Trump or Scheer say about this that you're not also saying?
Is the "difference" that they want him hanged, deported or torn apart by fellow inmates because he (may be!) Muslim, but you want him hanged, deported or torn apart by fellow inmates because his actions might lead us to the kind of government that wants people like him hanged, deported or torn apart by fellow inmates?
Alan, seriously. You're actually AHEAD of Doug Ford on this. Even Doug Fucking Ford hasn't called for this guy's execution yet. And FWIW, we still have no idea who he is or why he did this, so deportation might be a bit premature.
Mon, 2018-04-23 19:00
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alan smithee
It hurts me to say these things. But this is the kind of shit that gives us President Trump and PM Scheer.Yes, those things that hurt you to say are the kind of shit that gives us President Trump and PM Scheer.
Ask yourself this: what would Trump or Scheer say about this that you're not also saying?
Is the "difference" that they want him hanged, deported or torn apart by fellow inmates because he (may be!) Muslim, but you want him hanged, deported or torn apart by fellow inmates because his actions might lead us to the kind of government that wants people like him hanged, deported or torn apart by fellow inmates?
Alan, seriously. You're actually AHEAD of Doug Ford on this. Even Doug Fucking Ford hasn't called for this guy's execution yet. And FWIW, we still have no idea who he is or why he did this, so deportation might be a bit premature.
It's so predictable. Ford WILL call on his execution. The Conservatives will call on his exection. And the BOTH of them will USE this to EXPLOIT their actual agenda which is economically and socially conservative.
The difference between my outrage and theirs is they have an agenda. I don't. This prick is handing them support and eventual power.
The Left will take the high road as they always will. And all it will accomplish is making it easy to paint the left as weak and as pro-terrorism. You think I'm kidding? It's predictable .It can be seen from a thousand miles away.
I'm just not mercyful to merciless cretins. They (he) does not deserve mercy. Don't deserve a benefit of a doubt. Don't deserve justice. He pretty much forfeited any rights the second he crossed into that sidewalk. Her forfeited mercy. He forfeited humanity.
Does this mean I all of a sudden support people like Ford,Scheer or Trump? Absolutely not. But I see exactly what's going to happen. This will be used to benefit themselves and push their real agenda down our throats.
This is why I am incensed. Not to mention the needless mass murder of unsuspecting,innocent people.
I cannot for the life of me try to 'understand' or 'empathize' with this motherfucker. It's not going to happen.
But it doesn't make me support the far right. Quite the contrary. I'm blaming this bastard for empowering the far right which he has done. You may not have heard it yet but wait until tomorrow. Trust me.
Mon, 2018-04-23 19:02
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alan smithee
The guy has an Armenian name. So, not necessarily white (though literally Caucasian), but far more likely Christian than Muslim. I'd put odds on the conversation switching to "mental illness" by morning.
That all may be true. But it's not going to stop the far right from rearing their ugly heads.
Mon, 2018-04-23 19:19
#33
The Left will take the high road as they always will. And all it will accomplish is making it easy to paint the left as weak and as pro-terrorism.
So you disagree with the Left?
They (he) does not deserve mercy. Don't deserve a benefit of a doubt. Don't deserve justice. He pretty much forfeited any rights the second he crossed into that sidewalk. Her forfeited mercy. He forfeited humanity.
So you agree with the Right?
But it doesn't make me support the far right.
No, it just makes you parrot the things you expect the Right to say, and reject the things you expect the Left to say.
You don't support them, other than totally agreeing with them.
But it's not going to stop the far right from rearing their ugly heads.
They haven't reared anything yet, that I've seen. But you're already talking about the driver being hanged, deported or beaten, so what's their rush?
Mon, 2018-04-23 19:54
#34
Sorry to hear about this and the lives lost.
I’m not posting any opinions or much other than condolences for say a few days out of respect and because I still need more info. But I’ll keep checking this thread for new info.
Mon, 2018-04-23 20:20
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Mon, 2018-04-23 20:55
#36
progressive17
Ken and others. Please lay off the personal attacks particularly at a time like this.
PC 75%
Liberal 9%
NDP 16%Didn't you say you were leaving?
In this instance, my hypocrisy sprang from sheer grief. Grief at what happened, and grief at the instantaneous emotional reactions before all the facts were known.
Tue, 2018-04-24 06:29
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Mon, 2018-04-23 21:06
#38
There are ten people dead. It seems pretty clear the attack was deliberate.
And you are yukking it up?
Unbelievable.
Mon, 2018-04-23 21:24
#39
Now line up and attack me. I don't care.
No. But you are wrong.
One of the amazing things about this event is how hard he tried to get himself killed by the cops, but the one who just happened to be dealing with him refused (also remarkable).
It is also good, because if he had succeeded we likely would not know why he did this.
Tue, 2018-04-24 06:33
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Mon, 2018-04-23 21:32
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alan smithee
The Left will take the high road as they always will. And all it will accomplish is making it easy to paint the left as weak and as pro-terrorism.So you disagree with the Left?
They (he) does not deserve mercy. Don't deserve a benefit of a doubt. Don't deserve justice. He pretty much forfeited any rights the second he crossed into that sidewalk. Her forfeited mercy. He forfeited humanity.So you agree with the Right?
But it doesn't make me support the far right.No, it just makes you parrot the things you expect the Right to say, and reject the things you expect the Left to say.
You don't support them, other than totally agreeing with them.
But it's not going to stop the far right from rearing their ugly heads.They haven't reared anything yet, that I've seen. But you're already talking about the driver being hanged, deported or beaten, so what's their rush?
No.
No.
I realize I'm taling a right wing narrative but I have seen what happened in Europe. What if this is just the beginning of many more attacks wiping out more and more people? You see the by-product from these attacks. A rise in Neo-Nazism,White Nationalsim and Fascism. You see some of their political parties making waves in elections.
This is precisely what I don't want happening here. But the fucking idiot who did this will be a lightning rod to what can and probably will happen here. I'm pissed beyond words. I'm sad beyond words and I'm worried beyond words.
I in no way support them. I am hoping that this piece of garbage is punished severely. I've been given time to settle down a bit. I want to see very harsh punishment. That's all.
If this 'person' is beaten,for example,I wouldn't share a tear,I'd believe he was asking for it.
I don't know if he's one of many people who were fighting in Syria and was given the permission to re-enter the country. Maybe,maybe not. If in the case of yes,he (along with everyone else that left Canada to fight in Syria), should have never been allowed to re-enter this country. None of them. Rebels fighting in Syria are all some form or another of ISIS. It's why funding of the rebels by one faction funded by CIA and other faction funded by the Pentagon was a MASSIVE scandal most people don't know because lamestream media wasn't reporting this. How could any rebel fighting there possibly lose their radical ideology and leave it behind them in Syria? Seriously. How?
The details of this attack has all the hallmarks of recent attacks in Germany all carried out by 'lone wolves' yet somehow these 'lone wolves' continue and continue by means of the same M.O. I don't believe in coincidence,sorry
All I was pointing out,rather graphically,is that this attack can and probably will enpower the far right and have a frightened populace find solace behind far right parties. And it's all this BASTARD'S FAULT.
Do you see where I'm coming from without the hyperbole?
Mon, 2018-04-23 22:20
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progressive17
Let us say he was a white van driver, who had to make more deliveries than he could, and was being paid by the delivery, not by the hour. Perhaps also, he may have been suffering from PTSD from unimaginable events in his home country. Maybe he just gave up. Death at home or slavery here. Just kill. Not for any ideological reason, but just kill. All these people walking around living off of my hard work, and they don't care about me. They sold me milk and honey and gave me slavery. Jail would be better than this. Death would be better than this. Just an extreme of Ford Nation, I would think.
Ours is not to reason why. Ours is just to do or die.
Mon, 2018-04-23 22:52
#43
Concerning possible motive CBC interviewed someone from was it Buzz Feed who suggested a possible similarity with a person named Elliot Rodger
Mon, 2018-04-23 23:26
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Tue, 2018-04-24 00:02
#45
alan smithee
The Left will take the high road as they always will. And all it will accomplish is making it easy to paint the left as weak and as pro-terrorism.So you disagree with the Left?
They (he) does not deserve mercy. Don't deserve a benefit of a doubt. Don't deserve justice. He pretty much forfeited any rights the second he crossed into that sidewalk. Her forfeited mercy. He forfeited humanity.So you agree with the Right?
But it doesn't make me support the far right.No, it just makes you parrot the things you expect the Right to say, and reject the things you expect the Left to say.
You don't support them, other than totally agreeing with them.
But it's not going to stop the far right from rearing their ugly heads.They haven't reared anything yet, that I've seen. But you're already talking about the driver being hanged, deported or beaten, so what's their rush?
No.
No.
I realize I'm taling a right wing narrative but I have seen what happened in Europe. What if this is just the beginning of many more attacks wiping out more and more people? You see the by-product from these attacks. A rise in Neo-Nazism,White Nationalsim and Fascism. You see some of their political parties making waves in elections.
This is precisely what I don't want happening here. But the fucking idiot who did this will be a lightning rod to what can and probably will happen here. I'm pissed beyond words. I'm sad beyond words and I'm worried beyond words.
I in no way support them. I am hoping that this piece of garbage is punished severely. I've been given time to settle down a bit. I want to see very harsh punishment. That's all.
If this 'person' is beaten,for example,I wouldn't share a tear,I'd believe he was asking for it.
I don't know if he's one of many people who were fighting in Syria and was given the permission to re-enter the country. Maybe,maybe not. If in the case of yes,he (along with everyone else that left Canada to fight in Syria), should have never been allowed to re-enter this country. None of them. Rebels fighting in Syria are all some form or another of ISIS. It's why funding of the rebels by one faction funded by CIA and other faction funded by the Pentagon was a MASSIVE scandal most people don't know because lamestream media wasn't reporting this. How could any rebel fighting there possibly lose their radical ideology and leave it behind them in Syria? Seriously. How?
The details of this attack has all the hallmarks of recent attacks in Germany all carried out by 'lone wolves' yet somehow these 'lone wolves' continue and continue by means of the same M.O. I don't believe in coincidence,sorry
All I was pointing out,rather graphically,is that this attack can and probably will enpower the far right and have a frightened populace find solace behind far right parties. And it's all this BASTARD'S FAULT.
Do you see where I'm coming from without the hyperbole?
ETA ; If it tuirns out to only be a deranged madman of no specific religion what happened todat was still an act of terror. Meanwhile in the States the Waffle House shooting. The gunman was a deranged madman. he's a deranged right wing douche. He consdered himself a 'sovereign citizen' which I'm guessing is a small movement shaping up in the US. It was also an act of terror. Same with all the other mass shootings involving white supremacists MAGA nutjobs or underground right wing political groups.
Most commit suicide rather than face the music. In the case of the Parkland shooter,he too should pay a heavy price and it looks like he's going to because Florida has a death penalty.
Should today's maniac and all the gunmen I listed be sentenced to death. My knee jerk reaction says yes but my logic tells me that a life sentence without a chance of parol would be a bigger punishment.
I hope today's gunman is given life consequently for the 9 dead. Never to see the light of day,or the very least,never know what freedom feels like again. I suppose that would be best.
As for what other inmates will think of this person can only be speculating. But I certainly wouldn't cry if the rest of his days are a living hell.
It comes down to sympathy and morality. Sadly,2 things I lack for inmdividuals such as this fuck. My knee jerk reaction was immoral,my lack or non-existant sympathy is not immoral. It's the feeling most feel about this and all other mass murder terror attacks.
You can call me right wing or immoral with my initial reaction. But my non-existant sympathy and seething hatred for this terrorist is neither of those things.
And I'm just afraid that this will gain capital for the very worst political parties in Canada. Especially if a copy cat situation arises.
It's fear,concern and anger. That's how I describe how I really feel.
Tue, 2018-04-24 00:06
#46
progressive17
Grief and sympathy are the emotions I feel.
Tue, 2018-04-24 00:29
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Tue, 2018-04-24 00:46
#48
alan smithee
Not impressed with this.
And therein lies the problem. Trudeau MUST come out and call this what it is..a terror attack. There's no sugar coating to this one. Christ,everybody knows this was a terrorist attack. Stop with the political correctness. Stop with the 'only Muslim attacks' are terrorism. Just stop it.
Call it out FFS.
Tue, 2018-04-24 00:51
#49
alan smithee
Oh fuck,here we go. OF COURSE he's mentally ill. Everyone who commits acts like this are. But it doesn't change the fact that this was text book terrorism.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/10-dead-after-van-strikes-pedestrians-in-t...
Tue, 2018-04-24 00:56
#50
Mainsteam Media is presently reporting one dead.Thanks, but I'll wait to hear the REAL story from Paul Craig Roberts.
The crisis actor cop knew his fellow crisis actor didn't really have a gun so he could arrest him.
Tue, 2018-04-24 00:58
#51
Not impressed with this.
And therein lies the problem. Trudeau MUST come out and call this what it is..a terror attack. There's no sugar coating to this one. Christ,everybody knows this was a terrorist attack. Stop with the political correctness. Stop with the 'only Muslim attacks' are terrorism. Just stop it.
Call it out FFS.
DiManno's column was implying that this was Muslim terrorism.