Jeremy Corbyn 3

Sat, 2018-02-24 17:07

Ken Burch

Ben Bradley, the Tory MP who slandered Corbyn by falsely accusing him of being a spy for the Communist bloc, has been forced to publicly apologise, publicly admit the charge is untrue, and pay damages(which will be paid in the form of a donation to a charity in the MP's own constituency:

Labour said Bradley would tweet the following apology: “On 19 February 2018 I made a seriously defamatory statement on my Twitter account, ‘Ben Bradley MP (bbradleymp)’, about Jeremy Corbyn, alleging he sold British secrets to communist spies. I have since deleted the defamatory tweet. I have agreed to pay an undisclosed substantial sum of money to a charity of his choice, and I will also pay his legal costs.

“I fully accept that my statement was wholly untrue and false. I accept that I caused distress and upset to Jeremy Corbyn by my untrue and false allegations, suggesting he had betrayed his country by collaborating with foreign spies.

“I am very sorry for publishing this untrue and false statement and I have no hesitation in offering my unreserved and unconditional apology to Jeremy Corbyn for the distress I have caused him.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/24/ben-bradley-apologises-...

Sun, 2018-03-25 23:33

#103

NDPP

"Jeremy Corbyn is being attacked on a level never seen in this country before..."

https://twitter.com/evertonfc2/status/977991518270181377

Corbyn Siding With Anti-Semites Rather Than Jews Say Community Leaders

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/jeremy-corbyn-letter-jlc-board/

"He has sided again and again with anti-Semites rather than Jews..."

The knives are out for Corbyn. The lobby does its bit...

Thu, 2018-03-29 12:40

#104

NDPP

"The 'anti-Semitism' witch-hunt - whose real target is Jeremy Corbyn and anyone else who supports Palestinian rights - will not end until it is either victorious or defeated. It's time for the whole left to finally step up to this task.'

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/979284591432404997

(Attn: Jagmeet Singh)

Thu, 2018-03-29 12:45

#105

josh

There's something of that, but Corbyn also left himself open to it on a couple of occasions. That, and the Russian poisoning reaction (although he was not incorrect), has dropped Labour a couple of points behind the Conservatives. But that's likely temporary.

Tue, 2018-04-03 15:13

#106

NDPP

Stop Jeremy Corbyn's Mistrial by Media Over Anti-Semitism

https://t.co/mpLK0Vv0XQ

"More than 40 academics write to condemn anti-Corbyn bias in media coverage of the antisemitism debate..."

"Just because the UK Israel Lobby which overwhelmingly supports Tories and their media allies say Labour has an anti-Semitism problem, doesn't mean it does. In fact it doesn't."

https://twitter.com/richards1052/status/980965218204307456

Wed, 2018-04-25 13:02

#107

NDPP

Jeremy Corbyn Apologises For Anti-Semitism in Labour and Admits its a 'Clear' Problem...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-apologises-for-an...

"Writing exclusively in the Evening Standard ahead of a key meeting with Jewish community leaders, he offers his most contrite apology yet for the failings. His emotional mea culpa goes further than ever before by confessing the scale of the problem and by telling his own left-wing followers they need to change their thinking and behaviour..."

Corbyn caves. Blairites/Lobby wins.

Wed, 2018-04-25 13:30

#108

epaulo13

..corbyn is under heavy pressure but i don't believe he's caved. not from what i read in this piece posted yesterday.

Jewish leaders dismiss Corbyn meeting on antisemitism as 'missed opportunity'

Jeremy Corbyn’s hopes of reassuring the Jewish community over his efforts to combat antisemitism have suffered a blow after Jewish leaders labelled a meeting with the Labour leader a “disappointing missed opportunity” with little achieved.

In a joint statement read to the media outside parliament, the heads of the Jewish Leadership Council (JLC) and Board of Deputies (BoD) said Corbyn had failed to agree to any of their requests, set out in a letter last month.

quote:

Before the meeting, Corbyn issued a strong condemnation of antisemitism, saying the party’s structures were unfit for purpose and that it must confront the fact that a number of members held antisemitic views. He said in the past fortnight alone, more than 20 individuals had been suspended from party membership, and more were being investigated.

Writing in the Evening Standard, Corbyn said: “We have not done enough to get to grips with the problem, and the Jewish community and our Jewish members deserve an apology. My party and I are sorry for the hurt and distress caused.”

Wed, 2018-04-25 13:32

#109

NDPP

Labour Anti-Semitism: Jewish Leaders Blast Meeting With Jeremy Corbyn as 'Disappointing'

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-antisemitism-jewish-lead...

"The Board of Deputies of British Jews and the Jewish Leadership Council have said their meeting with Jeremy Corbyn was 'a disappointing missed opportunity' to deal with the problems of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.

'We welcomed Mr Corbyn's personal involvement in the discussion and his new comments recognising and apologising for antisemitism in the Labour Party but he failed to agree to any of the concrete actions we asked for..."

Apology unaccepted. The destruction of Labour will continue.

Wed, 2018-04-25 13:42

#110

josh

He did the politically necessary thing knowing nothing he could say would appease them. These are some of the same folks who accused Ed Milliband of being insufficiently pro-Israel.

Sat, 2018-04-28 20:29

#111

NDPP

EXPOSED: RUSSIANS TRIED TO SWING ELECTION FOR CORBYN

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/990346507806265344

Come and get it chumps!

Thu, 2018-07-05 09:39

#112

josh

Jeremy Corbyn has warned to his centre-left counterparts on the continent that they must turn against austerity and rigged capitalism or risk being wiped off the political map by the extreme right.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-european-social-democrats-reject-austerity-neoliberalism-warning-a8432511.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Fri, 2018-07-20 15:40

#113

NDPP

New Labour is Investigating Margaret Hodge for Allegedly Abusing Jeremy Corbyn as a 'Fucking Anti-Semite and Racist'

https://twitter.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1020323072505667584

Full court press on Corbyn's Labour by Zios/Blairites in progress. Banning criticism of Israel to remove the 'threat of socialism' and Corbyn's 5 point lead in the polls.

Fri, 2018-07-20 16:19

(Reply to #113) #114

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

New Labour is Investigating Margaret Hodge for Allegedly Abusing Jeremy Corbyn as a 'Fucking Anti-Semite and Racist'

https://twitter.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1020323072505667584

Full court press on Corbyn's Labour by Zios/Blairites in progress. Banning criticism of Israel to remove the 'threat of socialism' and Corbyn's 5 point lead in the polls.

Just to be clear, that's "New: Labour" rather than "New Labour"

Fri, 2018-07-20 16:35

(Reply to #114) #115

Ken Burch

bekayne wrote:

NDPP wrote:

New Labour is Investigating Margaret Hodge for Allegedly Abusing Jeremy Corbyn as a 'Fucking Anti-Semite and Racist'

https://twitter.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1020323072505667584

Full court press on Corbyn's Labour by Zios/Blairites in progress. Banning criticism of Israel to remove the 'threat of socialism' and Corbyn's 5 point lead in the polls.

Just to be clear, that's "New: Labour" rather than "New Labour"

I'd argue that Corbyn's project should be either called "Next Labour" or "True Labour".

Fri, 2018-07-20 16:43

#116

NDPP

Agree.

Sat, 2018-07-21 19:03

#117

epaulo13

Labour draws up plans for government in case of snap election

quote:

The party is understood to be preparing for about 35 pieces of legislation to be ready to go should it win an election. Shadow ministers have been told the plans must be popular and radical. Proposals under consideration include abolishing zero-hours contracts, a mass housebuilding programme, nationalisation of key industries, consultations on possible rent control and lifting the public sector pay cap.

Sir Bob Kerslake, the former head of the civil service, has been meeting almost fortnightly with party advisers who have started preparing legislation and briefing party staff on how Whitehall operates. The party wants shadow cabinet members to know whom they would have the power to appoint on their first day in office and how civil service aides would be assigned.

Labour has taken the lead in the polls as voters digest Theresa May’s new Brexit policy, outlined at Chequers, in which she has proposed following EU rules for food and goods. This week a YouGov poll put Labour five points ahead of the Tories.

No general election is scheduled until 2022, but the febrile atmosphere in Westminster and the deep divisions in the Conservative party have fuelled speculation that May could be left with no choice but to call an early poll. Tory remainer rebels reported on Tuesday night that whips had threatened them with the spectre of a no-confidence vote in May and an early election should they vote in favour of a customs union amendment.

Sat, 2018-07-21 19:08

#118

epaulo13

Labour opens up biggest lead over Tories since general election

Labour has opened up its biggest poll lead over the Conservatives since shortly after last June’s general election, as the government’s chaotic handling of Brexit appears to have triggered a dramatic fall in support for Theresa May and the Tories – and a sudden revival of Ukip.

The latest Opinium poll for the Observer puts Labour on 40%, the same score as last month, but four points ahead of the Tories who have dropped by six points since early June to 36%. The fall in Tory support would appear to be the result of Conservative supporters who backed leaving the EU turning to Ukip, whose support has shot up by five points from 3% last month to 8%.

May’s leadership ratings have also nosedived, while those of Jeremy Corbyn have remained stable. May’s net approval rating – when the number of people who disapprove of the way she is leading the country is subtracted from the number who approve – has tumbled from -8% in June to -24% over a turbulent political period of just five weeks.

She is now well behind Corbyn who is on -12%, little changed from -13% last month.

Sat, 2018-07-21 21:17

#119

NDPP

@ 14: 15

"They tried 'the KGB spy', they've tried 'the Czech spy', they've tried 'the IRA man', they've had 'The secret Hezbollah-Hamas agent'. They tried it all. And sometimes they tried it twice. And this, when Margaret Hodge, Dame Margaret Hodge, deliberately and in front of journalists, screamed in the face of the saintly, mild-mannered Jeremy Corbyn, that he was 'A F-ING ANTI-SEMITE AND A RACIST...! '

This is about Israel, it's about Netanyahu. It's about his government's pronouncement yesterday that Israel, officially, is an Apartheid State...

George Galloway, MOATS, Friday, July 20, 2018 (1900-2200)

http://talkradio.co.uk/radio/listen-again/1532109600

Unlike London, Ottawa is silent. The awful, guilty silence of complicity.

Sun, 2018-07-22 11:48

#120

epaulo13

A national government would only deliver for the rich

There is a growing chorus of voices calling for some kind of national government. Sometimes it is expressed by saying that politicians should come together to deliver Brexit. And there are whispers of moves to set up a new centre party which would incorporate politicians of all parties and none.

It is easy to see the superficial attraction of national government politics. The same argument is often used in relationship to the NHS. “If only” people sigh “we could take the politics out of health issues”.

The trouble is that (although politics has become almost a dirty word for much of the public) in truth there is no more intensely political subject than healthcare. How much you are prepared to spend on your health service, what level of tax you are prepared to levy to pay for it, whether you are concerned about rising health inequality and (ultimately) who gets to live or die because of decisions made – these are political subjects where vastly different economic interests contend.

quote:

But of course, the overriding concern of Labour politicians contemplating a national government may not even be the so-called national interest. It may be that the Labour politicians concerned see it as an effective method of blocking a Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour government. Perhaps it seems unbelievable to ordinary Labour supporters that there are Labour MPs who would rather serve in government with Tories than allow a left led Labour party to take office. But, sadly, this may be behind this mounting clamour for a national government.

Wed, 2018-07-25 22:59

#121

NDPP

'Antisemetic And A Racist' - The Jewish Chronicle

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1021647697328173056

"This will live in infamy in newspaper history. Incendiary, Kafkaesque, grotesque. All who made it should be ashamed. All who seek to profit from it should be damned."

Obviously this lobby needs a political lawn mowing.

Sat, 2018-07-28 00:53

#122

NDPP

George Galloway's Monologue, July 27, 2017

https://youtu.be/PICRGKQpfvk

"The 'unhinged' attacks on Jeremy Corbyn."

Tue, 2018-07-31 02:01

#123

epaulo13

Momentum heads to Glasgow to hold first Scottish training event

Momentum will hold its first Scottish training event in Glasgow this Saturday, in the hope of galvanising the same levels of grassroots support for Labour that boosted the party’s prospects in England during the last general election campaign.

After appointing its first Scottish organiser, Jessica Galloway, the pro-Jeremy Corbyn activists’ movement is to focus on training and recruitment across the nation, in recognition that Scotland’s marginal constituencies – including a number of close Scottish National party/Labour battlegrounds – will be key to winning the next Westminster election.

The first training session will take place in the constituency of Glasgow South West, which the SNP held from Labour by a majority of 60 votes in June 2017. Local Momentum activists will learn about “persuasive conversation” strategies developed in partnership with American politician Bernie Sanders’ campaign....

Tue, 2018-07-31 11:13

#124

lagatta4

Dunno how I feel about that...

It sounds as if the bullshit about Corbyn of all people being an antisemite might be backfiring, no?

Tue, 2018-07-31 13:41

#125

epaulo13

Corbyn's Brexit policy likely to be challenged at Labour conference

More than 150 constituency Labour parties (CLPs) have been considering mounting a challenge to Jeremy Corbyn’s Brexit policy at conference this autumn, with an apparent rise in support for a referendum on a final deal among some of his key allies.

A handful of the local parties, some of them in leave-voting constituencies, have already agreed to adopt a motion for a public vote on Theresa May’s deal with an option to remain in the European Union. Others were expected to decide in the coming weeks.

Support for a fresh vote has also been quietly growing in Momentum, the Corbyn-supporting grassroots group which played a crucial role in preventing activists at last year’s conference from getting a vote on the party’s Brexit stance.

Meanwhile, there has been increasing pressure from within the unions, including Unite, to join the Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association (TSSA) – whose leader, Manuel Cortes, firmly backs Corbyn – in giving the public a final say.

Some of the Labour leader’s closest political allies, including John McDonnell, were understood to have advised him to leave the prospect of a second referendum “on the table”, although they have said they would prefer a general election.

Senior Labour insiders have expressed concern about the scale of feeling among the party grassroots, and in particular young Labour voters, on the leadership’s opposition to a second referendum on an eventual Brexit deal.

However, Corbyn has repeatedly said that it was not currently Labour policy to back a fresh vote. He said earlier this month: “It’s not our policy to have a second referendum, it’s our policy to respect the result of the referendum.” But when asked to rule it out in all circumstances he has been more equivocal.

One shadow cabinet minister said: “We’re not there yet but there’s been a very definite shift internally over the last few weeks in support of a public vote. It would have to be framed as a vote on the government’s Brexit deal, rather than a rerun of the original referendum, as we have always said we respect the result.”

Tue, 2018-07-31 20:30

#126

NDPP

"Needless to say, the attack on Corbyn now includes linking him to PUTIN. Note the use of the now-standard, sleazy tactic of asserting someone is deferential to Putin followed by 'I don't know why': innuendo he's compromised while pretending deniability ('I didn't say that')."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1024272178710233089

Wed, 2018-08-01 00:35

(Reply to #126) #127

Ken Burch

epaulo13 wrote:

Momentum heads to Glasgow to hold first Scottish training event

Momentum will hold its first Scottish training event in Glasgow this Saturday, in the hope of galvanising the same levels of grassroots support for Labour that boosted the party’s prospects in England during the last general election campaign.

After appointing its first Scottish organiser, Jessica Galloway, the pro-Jeremy Corbyn activists’ movement is to focus on training and recruitment across the nation, in recognition that Scotland’s marginal constituencies – including a number of close Scottish National party/Labour battlegrounds – will be key to winning the next Westminster election.

The first training session will take place in the constituency of Glasgow South West, which the SNP held from Labour by a majority of 60 votes in June 2017. Local Momentum activists will learn about “persuasive conversation” strategies developed in partnership with American politician Bernie Sanders’ campaign....

Jessica Galloway...any relation?

Thu, 2018-08-02 08:41

#128

NDPP

Jeremy Corbyn Must Stop Pandering to Labour's Israel Lobby

https://electronicintifada.net/content/jeremy-corbyn-must-stop-pandering...

"Labour anti-Semitism' story is a pretext to stage coup against left-wing leader who supports Palestinian rights. The party leader's history in Palestine solidarity groups and past endorsement of the BDS movement has made him the number one enemy of the Israel lobby."

Canada's Israel lobby is even more powerful but unlike UK parliament ours is fully subservient.

Thu, 2018-08-02 08:44

#129

NDPP

UK Labour Cruising Towards Split Over Israel-Palestine

https://on.rt.com/9bj6

"Britain's Labour Party prepares to split; the Israel-Palestine issue breaks up the party after 100 years to the relief of Prime Minister Theresa May..."

Thu, 2018-08-02 08:49

#130

josh

Pandering? Split? Don't think so. Corbyn has been standing strong against the obviously orchestrated smear campaign. A.K.A. The War on Corbyn. And while there certainly is division due to this, there is no sign of an actual party split.

Fri, 2018-08-03 10:39

(Reply to #130) #131

Ken Burch

NDPP wrote:

UK Labour Cruising Towards Split Over Israel-Palestine

https://on.rt.com/9bj6

"Britain's Labour Party prepares to split; the Israel-Palestine issue breaks up the party after 100 years to the relief of Prime Minister Theresa May..."

That's RT for you. Putin wants to make sure Corbyn never becomes prime minister-they want Boris Johnson in the job, because he has all the makings of Putin's kind of leader: demagogic, nationalist, militarist, mercurial, open to starting anti-Muslim, anti-Polish and Romanian immigrant pogroms-now that Nigel Farage has flamed out politically, Boris is the only UK leader who Putin-Trump potential.

Thu, 2018-08-02 18:40

(Reply to #131) #132

Ken Burch

(self-delete. dupe post).

Thu, 2018-08-02 16:49

#133

NDPP

"Give credit to Zionism. 150 years after its onset as a secular political movement designed to steal a millenium old religion and 70 years after it ripped Palestine from Palestine, it has now crippled the independence of the UK political process."

https://twitter.com/StanleyCohenLaw/status/1025066688050487296

Fri, 2018-08-03 08:59

(Reply to #133) #134

progressive17 progressive17's picture

Ken Burch wrote:

That's RT for you. Putin wants to make sure Corbyn never becomes prime minister-they want Boris Johnson in the job, because he has all the makings of Putin's kind of leader: demagogic, nationalist, militarist mercurial, open to starting anti-Muslim, anti-Polish and Romanian immigrant pogroms-now that Nigel Farage has flamed out politically, Boris is the only UK leader who Putin-Trump potential.

They are like cockroaches. You stomp on one, and others crawl out from under the refrigerator. There is a lot of opportunity on the alt-right. Opportunists will fill the void.

Fri, 2018-08-03 09:11

#135

NDPP

With Jeremy Corbyn - Who Will Stand?

https://sptnkne.ws/jkH3

"The febrile atmosphere whipped up over the leader of the Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn's alleged anti-Semitism demands a response..."

Fri, 2018-08-03 09:24

(Reply to #135) #136

josh

NDPP wrote:

"Give credit to Zionism. 150 years after its onset as a secular political movement designed to steal a millenium old religion and 70 years after it ripped Palestine from Palestine, it has now crippled the independence of the UK political process."

https://twitter.com/StanleyCohenLaw/status/1025066688050487296

Think that's a bit extreme. And it's nothing compared to the U.S. political system.

Fri, 2018-08-03 09:49

#137

NDPP

Actual occurring events demonstrate it is anything but extreme. And if you maintain it's worse in USA, why not concentrate on reversing the dangerous reality you concede instead of your embarrassing propaganda tilting at Dem-onized mythical Russians ?

Fri, 2018-08-03 09:57

#138

josh

You know, it's not an either/or proposition. I have written posts here and elsewhere for years about how U.S. middle east policy has been held hostage by the Zionist Lobby. But the issue here is a foreign country targeting one political party and candidate for its clandestine operations in order to elect the candidate of the opposition party president. It is not to be swept under the rug anymore than Israel's human rights violations should be swept under the rug because of human rights violations in other countries.

Sat, 2018-08-04 00:08

#139

NDPP

"What Jeremy Corbyn has utterly failed to grasp about Israel and its associated lobby groups is that they never, ever, ever take 'yes' for an answer and will bitterly oppose him until the end regardless of how much he capitulates to them."

https://twitter.com/AsaWinstanley/status/1025431557908115457

Sat, 2018-08-04 06:03

#140

josh

What response do you suggest he make?

Sat, 2018-08-04 07:34

#141

NDPP

He already made it. Several times. Stated quite succinctly that anti-semitism has no place in the Labour party and vigorous action will be taken anytime it is found. Period.

Sat, 2018-08-04 13:28

(Reply to #141) #142

JKR

NDPP wrote:

He already made it. Several times. Stated quite succinctly that anti-semitism has no place in the Labour party and vigorous action will be taken anytime it is found. Period.

What kind of "vigorous action" should be taken when anti-semitism is found in the Labour Party?

Sat, 2018-08-04 15:56

#143

NDPP

Is Jeremy Corbyn an Anti-Semite? (and vid)

https://t.co/y2l8sFnFUu

"We ask one of the founding members of Jewish Voice for Labour, Richard Kuper."

"Number of days since Israel has passed an apartheid law and formally became an apartheid state: 16. Number of days that centrist Labour MPs who throw around accusations of racism have not condemned this racist state: 16."

https://twitter.com/damian_from/status/1025664608835694593

Sat, 2018-08-04 16:22

(Reply to #143) #144

Ken Burch

JKR wrote:
NDPP wrote:

He already made it. Several times. Stated quite succinctly that anti-semitism has no place in the Labour party and vigorous action will be taken anytime it is found. Period.

What kind of "vigorous action" should be taken when anti-semitism is found in the Labour Party?

it's been dealt with by suspensions and even(in the case of Ken Livingstone, who may not have been antisemitic but was unbelieavably tone deaf and insensitive with his implications that Hitler was a closet Zionist, among others) with expulsions. And it goes without saying that Corbyn, as a lifetime opponent of all forms of bigotry, is just as much an opponent of antisemitism as he is of any other prejudice. Why should he have to endorse the fiction that antisemitism is somehow a more prevalent form of bigotry in the UK or in Europe than any other form of bigotry? It's ridiculous, for example, to imply that there's greater prejudice against Jewish people or Judaism as a variety of religions and cultures than there is say, prejudice against Muslims, or peoples of color, or Roma/Sindhu/Traveller people and Eastern European immigrants in the UK.

Sat, 2018-08-04 16:35

#145

josh

Corbyn is a direct threat to the Greater Land of Israel project. Supporters of that project inside and outside the UK are pulling out all the stops to derail him. With Blairites jumping on for good measure. If he turned into Viktor Orban, all the complaints about anti-Semitism would disappear overnight. This is about Israel, not anti-Semitism.

Sat, 2018-08-04 17:42

#146

NDPP

A pro-Palestinian UK under Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn is Israel's worst nightmare:

"I would prefer that the party will not stay with Corbyn..." Shai Masot, Embassy of Israel, UK

https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1025465082669617152

Sat, 2018-08-04 19:35

(Reply to #146) #147

JKR

Ken Burch wrote:

Why should he have to endorse the fiction that antisemitism is somehow a more prevalent form of bigotry in the UK or in Europe than any other form of bigotry? It's ridiculous, for example, to imply that there's greater prejudice against Jewish people or Judaism as a variety of religions and cultures than there is say, prejudice against Muslims, or peoples of color, or Roma/Sindhu/Traveller people and Eastern European immigrants in the UK.

Who is saying that anti-Semitism is a more prevalent form of bigotry than any other form of bigotry? To me that accusation sounds anti-Semitic.

Sat, 2018-08-04 20:05

(Reply to #147) #148

Ken Burch

JKR wrote:
Ken Burch wrote:

Why should he have to endorse the fiction that antisemitism is somehow a more prevalent form of bigotry in the UK or in Europe than any other form of bigotry? It's ridiculous, for example, to imply that there's greater prejudice against Jewish people or Judaism as a variety of religions and cultures than there is say, prejudice against Muslims, or peoples of color, or Roma/Sindhu/Traveller people and Eastern European immigrants in the UK.

Who is saying that anti-Semitism is a more prevalent form of bigotry than any other form of bigotry? To me that accusation sounds anti-Semitic.

The ONLY possible justification for the insistence that Corbyn specifically denounce anti-Semitism(something all of us knows he categorically opposes)in addition to his long-standing denunciations of and implacable opposition t0 ALL forms of prejudice is the belief that anti-Semitism is somehow a more pressing concern than any other form of bigotry, that somehow the fight against that particular form of hatred matters more than the fights against racism, sexism, xenophobia and anti-LGBTQ prejudice. There's no other possible reason to insist that Corbyn denounce anti-Semitism specifically when he's already obviously denounced it and declared his opposition to it by opposing all forms of prejudice.

BTW, if you're claiming that I'm an anti-Semite, that's a despicable lie.

Sat, 2018-08-04 20:06

#149

Mr. Magoo

Quote:
that it's not enough for him to denounce ALL forms of prejudice. A condemnation of all forms of prejudice already includes a condemnation of anti-Semitism.

But that kind of sounds like "ALL Lives Matter!".

Sat, 2018-08-04 20:58

(Reply to #149) #150

Ken Burch

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
that it's not enough for him to denounce ALL forms of prejudice. A condemnation of all forms of prejudice already includes a condemnation of anti-Semitism.

But that kind of sounds like "ALL Lives Matter!".

It's nothing like that at all. Saying "All Lives Matter!" meant you were denying that the lives of people of color were in any more danger from the police than anyone else. Condemning all forms of prejudice means you acknowledge that people who identify as oppressed have a valid claim to be able to say that. There's no feeling anyone has towards white gentiles, especially white gentile heterosexual men, that is in any way comparable to racism, sexism anti-semitism, Islamophobia, anti-LGBTQ prejudice and xenophobia(prejudice against immigrants). The world's Jewish communities have experienced and in some cases continue to experience oppression, almost entirely at the hands of white Christian gentile reactionaries-but that oppression is no greater and no less than that experienced by peoples of color, Muslims, gays, women, Indigenos people and immigrants. The prejudice experienced by each of those groups is of the same magnitude. The idea of making Corbyn specifically condemn anti-Semitism, which in the UK is a far less prevalent prejudice than anti-black racism, Islamophobia, homophobia and anti-immigrant hatred, is to get him to endorse the Likudnik argument that anti-semitism is not simply ONE form of prejudice, but of greater importance and greater magnitude than any form of bigotry experienced by any other historically oppressed community in the UK and Europe, and in doing to pressure Corbyn and Labour into endorsing the idea that his party needs to join all the OTHER parties in the UK in giving the Israeli government special deference to do whatever it sees fit to do in the name of "security", out of the delusional notion that there may be an imminent need for the Jewish communities of Europe and the UK to catch the next flight to Tel Aviv and make aliyah.

It's about allowing Netanyahu to crush Palestinian self-determination and silence any dissent from anything he chooses to do to Palestinians(and now, possibly, also to the Druze, Muslim, and Arab Christian communities within Israel itself, in addition to the people of the West Bank).

Sat, 2018-08-04 21:57

(Reply to #150) #151

JKR

Ken Burch wrote:

JKR wrote:
Ken Burch wrote:

Why should he have to endorse the fiction that antisemitism is somehow a more prevalent form of bigotry in the UK or in Europe than any other form of bigotry? It's ridiculous, for example, to imply that there's greater prejudice against Jewish people or Judaism as a variety of religions and cultures than there is say, prejudice against Muslims, or peoples of color, or Roma/Sindhu/Traveller people and Eastern European immigrants in the UK.

Who is saying that anti-Semitism is a more prevalent form of bigotry than any other form of bigotry? To me that accusation sounds anti-Semitic.

The ONLY possible justification for the insistence that Corbyn specifically denounce anti-Semitism(something all of us knows he categorically opposes)in addition to his long-standing denunciations of and implacable opposition t0 ALL forms of prejudice is the belief that anti-Semitism is somehow a more pressing concern than any other form of bigotry, that somehow the fight against that particular form of hatred matters more than the fights against racism, sexism, xenophobia and anti-LGBTQ prejudice. There's no other possible reason to insist that Corbyn denounce anti-Semitism specifically when he's already obviously denounced it and declared his opposition to it by opposing all forms of prejudice.

BTW, if you're claiming that I'm an anti-Semite, that's a despicable lie.

I think another possible reason to insist that Corbyn denounce anti-Semitism is that anti-Semitism has been found within the Labour Party. If other forms of racism are found in Labour, I hope Corbyn denounces those too. I don't think you are an anti-Semite. I think the idea that anti-Semitism is exagerated to manipulate politics is anti-Semitic.

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