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NDPP

'Situation Unseen In Decades' (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/8so3

"German president on failed coalition talks..."

NorthReport

Who does a better job of delivering  Fake News: the Russians or Donald Trump

Cody87

NorthReport wrote:

Who does a better job of delivering  Fake News: the Russians or Donald Trump

Is this in reference to NDPP's article from RT on Merkel's failed coalition talks?

Are one of these sources good enough?

https://globalnews.ca/news/3870022/germany-angela-merkel-coalition-colla...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/angela-merkel-s-rule-doubt-german-coa...

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/11/20/germany-merkel-coalition-coll...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/germany-coalition-talks-fail-angela-merkel-...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/collapse-of-german-coalition...

I'm not quite sure that fake news means what you think it means. If you keep overusing the term, you may find it doesn't have quite the impact you'll need it to when real fake news comes along.

NDPP

US Neocon Wars Open Pandora's Box in Europe

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/11/28/us-neocon-wars-open-pandoras-box...

"The dreaded scourge of instability has now reached the heart of the empire..."

NorthReport

Germany's Social Democrats OK talks on a new Merkel govt

http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/german-social-democrats-mull-talks-...

NorthReport
josh

This Sunday, 600 Social Democratic Party delegates will vote on whether to go ahead with coalition talks. A no vote could send Germans back to elections, potentially signal the political demise of Ms. Merkel, and portend months more uncertainty. Even a yes vote would be no guarantee: Any final coalition agreement will also need the approval of a majority of party members.

For the Social Democrats, the issue is not tactical, however. It is existential.

. . . .

Having rallied behind the neoliberal policies of their center-right rivals for the past two decades, center-left parties have been obliterated from the Netherlands to Poland. But it is the example of Austria that comes up most: There, a longstanding coalition between conservatives and Social Democrats recently gave way to a coalition of the conservatives with the far right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/world/europe/angela-merkel-germany-spd.html?smid=tw-share

Ken Burch

If they go into coalition with Merkel, they will never again have a distinct identity and will never again win an election in Germany.  The AfD will be, in effect, the official opposition and that can't lead to anything but the AfD perpetually gaining in support.

At this stage, I'd say the only hope for any part of the Left in Germany surviving would be for both SPD and Die Linke to dissolve and a new Left party to be formed whose policies would reflect anti-austerity Occupy values, while avoiding any connection to either the right-wing SPD tradition of Gerhard Schroeder or Helmut Schmidt(neither of whom should ever have been in the SPD) OR any part of the GDR past(I suggest this because Die Linke is held back by its refusal to expel the tiny, powerless, irrelevant faction within it who came out of the SED and are nostalgic for the pointless repression of the Warsaw Pact era).  
 

 

 

josh
Rev Pesky

Welcome to the world of proportional representation.

6079_Smith_W

Ken Burch wrote:

At this stage, I'd say the only hope for any part of the Left in Germany surviving would be for both SPD and Die Linke to dissolve and a new Left party

But they aren't the same, and they haven't been the same since they split just over 100 years ago (over some of the exact same issues they face today).

On the broader issue, I don't know enough about the situation there to have an opinion on whether this coalition is a good or a bad thing. It may well be that there is no point in driving another fight that will only have the same result. But while we are focused on the divide on the left, this is also a divide on the right. It not, Merkel would have had her majority.

Besides, there is a long history of these coalitions. It no more means erasure of party identity than the existence of factions within a party means erasure. But sometimes it is what is necessary to govern.

Ken Burch

6079_Smith_W wrote:

 

 

But they aren't the same, and they haven't been the same since they split just over 100 years ago (over some of the exact same issues they face today).

On the broader issue, I don't know enough about the situation there to have an opinion on whether this coalition is a good or a bad thing. It may well be that there is no point in driving another fight that will only have the same result. But while we are focused on the divide on the left, this is also a divide on the right. It not, Merkel would have had her majority.

Besides, there is a long history of these coalitions. It no more means erasure of party identity than the existence of factions within a party means erasure. But sometimes it is what is necessary to govern.

I know that SPD and Die Linke are different-although it's simplistic to treat Die Linke as simply the successor to the old KPD or the SED-it contains a lot of people who started on the left wing of the SPD, and various independent leftists.  Almost nobody in the party, other than the 100 fossils in the Communist Platform group, are anywhere close to being Marxist-Leninists.

What I'm saying there is that both the SPD-due to its decades long slide towards the postion somewhere between Blairism and the CDU its leaders usually inhabit on the political spectrum now-and Die Linke, due to the fact that people can't let it go that it still has a trivial handful of members who started in the SED, an infinitismally small faction who have no influence over what the party does or stands for-are essentially discredited in the eyes of the German electorate-are both permanently stagnant, neither has any possibility of ever gaining additional popularity in the future, and that therefore a party that is Left but not exclusively or specifically associated with either of them, a party that encompasses anti-globalization and social movement values as much as anything else, is the only way forward.

And another SPD coalition with the CDU-CSU would guarantee that there would never be another SPD victory at any future German election.  There's no way the party could be junior partners with the CDU-CSU for this long a time and still be seen by the electorate as a possible alternative government OR as a party with any remaining meaningful differences with the CDU-CSU.  It goes without saying that, since the SPD will always be powerless in such coalitions, Merkel will never against make any concessions to anything even close to social democratic values.

There's also the fact that the Greens won't work with Die Linke because they're still in a snit about the GDR era-an era that nobody even close to Die Linke's leadership played any signicant role in,  which has no chance of ever being re-created-even thought this refusal makes the election of any sort of progressive government mathematically impossible.

At this stage, I'd say the only hope for any part of the Left in Germany surviving would be for both SPD and Die Linke to dissolve and a new Left party not dominated by either should be formed.

One more CDU/CSU-SPD coalition and the SPD will be reduced for the rest of eternity to the pathetic position of every other social democratic party on the european mainland-a rump party, always in third or fourth place at best, no longer even pretending to seek any real alternative to the status quo, simply there to occasionally hold three of four cabinet seats in which they administer the austerity policies just as savagely as the right-wing parties in the coalition they're in.

6079_Smith_W

The Sparticists also started out as part of the SPD, so it is simplistic, and not. Again, especially since some of the issues are not all that different than in 1914.

But more importantly, how is that proposal any different than the one you are warning about - assimilation with the CDU? There have been SPD-CDU  (and SPD-Linke ) coalitions before, and parties and factions within parties still exist.

Ultimately I think the proof of any desire for a grand coalition on the left is whether there is even critical mass for it at all. But the more immediate question is whether there is anything to be gained by a new election, and if not, how to proceed.

And secondly, considering that all parties bled voters to the AfD - with the only difference in that trend a small gain for Die Linke in the former BRD states,  how do either the SPD or Linke  hope to change that simply by putting aside their differences and huddling together? Seems to me it means someone sacrificing their principles.

It might be a bit more realistic for all parties to deal with those differences on an issue-by-issue basis.

 

NDPP

Hundreds of Thousands of Industrial Workers Strike in Germany

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/01/31/pers-j31.html

"As Germany's ruling elite conspires to form a new government to slash workers' wages, attack democratic rights and remilitarize the country, the working class is giving its response in the form of the country's biggest strike movement in 15 years..."

Mr. Magoo

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Hundreds of Thousands of Industrial Workers Strike in Germany

Shame they couldn't have done it in 1942.  The war could have been over by 1943.

NDPP

Germany: Merkel's Re-Election and the Fight Against Militarism, Welfare Cuts, and Dictatorship

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/15/comm-m15.html

"With the re-election of Angela Merkel (CDU) as chancellor and the swearing in of the new federal cabinet by President Frank Walter Steinmeier (SPD), the most right-wing German government has taken office since the fall of the Third Reich..."

Mr. Magoo

Well, thank Gord they're nothing like that darned Third Reich.

Maybe it's the swing of the pendulum.

NDPP

Goldman Sachs Appointment To German Finance Ministry Sparks Outcry

http://www.dw.com/en/goldman-sachs-appointment-to-german-finance-ministr...

"Making the arsonists the fire-fighters  - it gives an indication of the problems in the SPD when a social democrat entrusts responsibility for banking regulations to an investment banker." 

Who really runs the EU?

Pondering

Hurray for PR. 

cco

Yes. Hooray for PR, because left-leaning Germans can switch their vote to the Greens or Die Linke without fear of "vote-splitting" and electing the AfD.

Ken Burch

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Hundreds of Thousands of Industrial Workers Strike in Germany

Shame they couldn't have done it in 1942.  The war could have been over by 1943.

Really?  You're holding the German labour movement of 2018 responsible for Hitler?  

NDPP

"Germany must speak up about widespread glorification of Nazi collaborators throughout eastern Europe. In Lithuania, Ukraine, [Latvia], Croatia and many other places WW2-era ultranationalist leaders/orgs are lionized as independence fighters while their crimes are whitewashed."

https://twitter.com/DefendingHistor/status/1031991417080569857

 

NorthReport

Left wing protesters outnumbered 2-1 stand up to right-wing protesters. Courage my friends, and stop the bad dudes before they get started.

Right, left-wing protesters clash in Germany after man killed during street festival

https://globalnews.ca/news/4412861/police-separate-protesters-german-man...

NorthReport

Germany migrants: Merkel condemns 'vigilantes' after Chemnitz murder

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45320382

NDPP

MSC 2019: Merkel Full Speech and Analysis

https://youtu.be/4APLxf3ZxCM

"Merkel argued that the rising rivalry between the world's great powers cannot be allowed to escalate into a new Cold War. She also spoke in favor of Germany's controversial Nord Stream gas deal with Russia..."

NDPP

Rose: A Tectonic Shift in German Politics

https://braveneweurope.com/mathew-d-rose-a-tectonic-shift-in-german-poli...

"...The German political establishment has lost its credibility among a now decisive number of German citizens. This is not a crisis of centrist parties, it is the loss of trust in a highly corrupt political class. The Germans are rapidly turning their backs on their political establishment, seeking change, which never seems to come. As Joao Badal so astutely observes: 'I fear ours are becoming procedural democracies, where citizens are afforded their fundamental rights to complain, to organize, to protest, even to vote out the Government - they are just not afforded the right to make change."

Sound familiar?

josh
bekayne
NDPP

'We Are On A Path of War Again': 30 Years After Berlin Wall Fell, Europe Betrays Its Own Hopes (by Willy Wimmer)

 https://on.rt.com/a4y4

"Three decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall, one of the symbols of the Cold War, Europe remains divided because it chose confrontation over a common future, Willy Wimmer, Germany's former State Secretary for Defense believes.

'It is a kind of Anglo-Saxon policy not to have cooperation on the European continent - mainly between the Russians, the French, the Poles and the Germans. They want a line of confrontation in this area and therefore are against all promises. [As a result] NATO was extended to the East...What is happening now is some kind of Anglo-Saxon policy that was created even before WWI. We are on the path of war again. That is so much against the will of our people. We see it as a disaster..."

NDPP

"The Berlin protection wall was necessary to safeguard East Germany's right to exist in peace and security as a German socialist state. The destruction of a Greater Germany where Nazism is on the rise is no cause for celebration."

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1193128818397138947

NorthReport

The Ban on Russian Oil Is Another Way for Germany to Assert Its Power

 

 

https://jacobin.com/2022/06/ban-russian-oil-germany-global-energy-power-...

NDPP

Washington's Woman in Berlin: How Germany's Foreign Minister is Helping the US Crush the German Economy

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/11/washingtons-woman-in-berlin-how-...

"As Michael Hudson has pointed out, one of the targets in the US war against Russia is actually Germany, and Baerbock is helping Washington accomplish its mission.

Despite all the damage the Russian conflict has done to her country's economy, Baerbock (and other hawks in Germany) are eager to join with Washington against its next target: China..."

No wonder Baerbock gets on so well with Jolie and Freeland. 'Birds of a feather' on the same flight path.

kropotkin1951

However it would seem to me that German industrialists are not going to agree to this. Germany and China have shared in a prosperity boom over the last twenty years because of their trade cooperation. Since 2016 China has been Germany's largest trade partner so it appears they are not likely to go along with decoupling with China as a foreign policy objective. Scholz brought a bevy of the German industrial oligarchy with him when he went to China and they signed multiple deals.

NDPP

Getting Closer

https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/getting-closer

"The Greens - recently called 'The most hypocritical, aloof, mendacious, incompetent and, measured by the damage they cause, the most dangerous party we currently have in the Bundestag' by the indestructible Sahra Wagenknecht - are rather more afraid of nuclear power than nuclear arms.

None of the suddenly numerous German 'defence experts' seems willing to confirm that what Biden calls Armageddon is a future that may become a present..."

NDPP

Germany's Coalition Government Adopts a Budget For War and Austerity

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/11/28/ovtr-n28.html

"The 2023 budget passed in the German parliament on Friday is a declaration of war on working people. At its centre is a massive increase in military spending and extreme cuts in the areas of health, education and social welfare.

The only expenditure that is increasing massively is military spending. The ruling class is working to switch the economy towards armaments in order to implement the war course that has been decided - which is currently directed mainly against Russia.

This 'long term' rearmament goes hand in hand with historic attacks on the living standards of the working class. While energy prices are skyrocketing because of the NATO offensive against Russia, and the highest inflation rate in decades is already pushing millions into poverty, the cost of war has been passed on entirely to working people. The whole 'debate' in the Bundestag underscored that working people are confronted with a conspiracy of all the establishment parties..."

Sound familiar Canucklheads? It should.

NorthReport

'Houston, we have a problem!'

German far-right foundation to get state funding

Marcel Fürstenau

 

The Desiderius Erasmus Foundation with links to the far-right populist AfD demanded equal treatment and its fair share of support from public coffers. This week, the Federal Constitutional Court ruled in its favor.

 

 

 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/german-far-right-foundation-to-get-state-funding/a...

NDPP

Germany's Draft Budget: More Military Spending to be Paid For with Social Benefits

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/04/f7d1-j04.html

"This is the largest rearmament since Hitler. Last year, with the support of the opposition, the government passed a so-called 'special fund for the Bundeswehr amounting to 100 billion euros.

In order to transform Germany into the leading military power in Europe, social spending will be slashed and all areas of society will be subordinated to war policy.

The Greens and the SPD are, in fact, at the forefront of the push for German rearmament. Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock is among the hawks on the Ukraine war and the confrontation with China..."

JKR

NDPP wrote:

Germany's Draft Budget: More Military Spending to be Paid For with Social Benefits

Where is the money for Russia’s military’s wars and invasions coming from? Who spends more per capita on their military, Russia or Germany? Which country leads the world in having nuclear weapons?

NDPP

German Establishment Prepares To Cross the Rubicon

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/02/german-establishment-prepares-to...

"Berlin continues to double down on Ukraine, earmarking more than $8 billion for the war in its just-passed budget.

[Mean]while, the domestic situation imploded, and the government and media smear everyone - political parties, farmers, strikers - who oppose the direction Berlin is taking the country. And that list is growing.

It's difficult to overstate how unpopular the ruling coalition is that doesn't get its war-austerity budget passed. Nearly two-thirds of voters want to pull the plug on the current government - a rare step in Germany.

It's hard to know what exactly is 'centrist' about pursuing war with Russia or destroying German industry, but that is what the 'middle' translates as these days: keeping the Project Ukraine train on the tracks..."

Germany is yet another cautionary tale of the lengths US vassal regimes will go to please Washington overlords.

NDPP

 Annalena Baerbock's Opa Was a Nazi Too

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1755893765762355678

"...[There is] an assessment in the dossier that Colonel Waldemar Baerbock was not just an officer but an ardent supporter of Nazism.

It literally says he was an 'unqualified National Socialist'. In 1944 Baerbock was awarded Hitler's Merit Cross with swords.

The German Foreign Ministry said that the minister was not aware of these 'documents'..."

No wonder she and Chrystia hit it off so well.

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