Of course they're not Nazis.
Nazis were members of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP), who assumed power in Germany in 1933 and effectively ended on May 7, 1945. So, pleased to announce to all those that hadn't heard the Nazis are no more.
It's a simple title chosen on the fly not a treatise. I didn't ponder unduly at its choosing. It works for me. Blame it on Jerry Seinfeld. Instead of 'soup' you got 'nato'.
US Could Be At War With China In Just 15 Years, Warns Ex-US Army Chief in Europe
"The former commander of the US Army in Europe has issued a sobering assessment of the deteriorating state of US-Chinese relations, predicting that it's very likely the two nations will be at war in fifteen years. Speaking at the Warsaw Security Forum on Wednesday, Retired Lt Gen Ben Hodges said that the US will have to shift its military to the Pacific 'to deal with the Chinese threat' - requiring Europe to take a more active role in its own defenses..."
The Anti-Russia Cold War in the Arctic is Heating Up
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10/26/the-anti-russia-cold-war-in-the-...
"...NATO is always on the lookout for excuses to indulge in military action (such as its nine-month aerial blitz that destroyed Libya [led by Lt.Gen. Charles Bouchard RCAF]), and its Arctic-focused Trident Juncture is yet another confrontational military fandango designed to ramp up tensions.
The US-NATO military alliance is preparing for war in the arctic, and is deliberately provoking Russia by conducting massive hi-tech maneuvers ever-closer to its borders. But the Pentagon and its sub-office in Brussels had better be careful."
Putin's Russia in biggest Arctic military push since Soviet fall
But nearly three decades after the Lenin was taken out of service to be turned into a visitor attraction, Russia is again on the march in the Arctic and building new nuclear icebreakers.It is part of a push to firm Moscow's hand in the High North as it vies for dominance with traditional rivals Canada, the United States, and Norway as well as newcomer China.
Interviews with officials and military analysts and reviews of government documents show Russia’s build-up is the biggest since the 1991 Soviet fall and will, in some areas, give Moscow more military capabilities than the Soviet Union once had.
Is it not easier to just learn Russian than all the effort required for defense? All those icky guns and assorted macho stuff - much easier to be peace loving isnt it? Like Poland in 1940.
Here's a thought. What if Russia invaded the northern regions of North America, won, then supported the Indiginous peoples of Alaska North west territories, Nunavit and Greenland to form completely independent governments?
Or is it more important to keep these regions Danish, US and Canadian?
Russian Strategies in the Arctic: Avoiding A New Cold War
http://www.uarctic.org/media/857300/arctic_eng.pdf
"Differing views of Russia's Arctic policies..."
Of course they're not Nazis.
It's a simple title chosen on the fly not a treatise. I didn't ponder unduly at its choosing. It works for me. Blame it on Jerry Seinfeld. Instead of 'soup' you got 'nato'.
I made it up.
It doesn't matter because no one here is going to care.
Blame Seinfeld.
NATO's Nazi Beginnings
https://off-guardian.org/2018/10/29/natos-nazi-beginnings/
"At the same time as the West was planning its covert actions against its WWII ally, it also created the formation of the terror club known as NATO. Almost in its entirety it was a Nazi enterprise..."
And the nut never falls far from the tree...
Here's a thought. What if Russia invaded the northern regions of North America, won, then supported the Indiginous peoples of Alaska North west territories, Nunavit and Greenland to form completely independent governments?
Or is it more important to keep these regions Danish, US and Canadian?
Is there a population large enough to support a government? Would the Russians let one be independent any more than Canada and the US would.
I think not on both counts. Still it is a nice fantasy to imagine. I think the fantasy gets popped once you consider that the most powerful piece could be Republican-voting Alaska... the rest might prefer to stay Danish or Canadian than be effectively colonized by Alaska.
Still it is a nice fantasy to imagine. I think the fantasy gets popped once you consider that the most powerful piece could be Republican-voting Alaska
For me it got popped as soon as I had to imagine Russia going to war with three countries, winning, then magnanimously handing the Arctic over to Indigenous people with a hearty "You're welcome!!" like a fireman rescuing an old lady's cat from a tree.
Still it is a nice fantasy to imagine. I think the fantasy gets popped once you consider that the most powerful piece could be Republican-voting AlaskaFor me it got popped as soon as I had to imagine Russia going to war with three countries, winning, then magnanimously handing the Arctic over to Indigenous people with a hearty "You're welcome!!" like a fireman rescuing an old lady's cat from a tree.
Sure but even if you suspend belief about the means, the result is also not desireable. Canada's North would rather be attached to Canada -- as shitty is it is to them -- than to Alaska. Of this I am sure. Even with a fantasy means ther eis no desire for that.
If I want to fantasize, I would rather indulge in Northern Canada, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Finland - even the most northern Russians being connected than a relationship with what lives in Alaska.
And because the first thing they did when they walked into Crimea was hand it back to the Tartars.
Mr Magoo wrote
For me it got popped as soon as I had to imagine Russia going to war with three countries, winning, then magnanimously handing the Arctic over to Indigenous people with a hearty "You're welcome!!" like a fireman rescuing an old lady's cat from a tree.
I guess you never heard of North Korea or Mongolia before?
How about Vietnam? Or Angola? Cuba ring a bell? Ever been to Mozambique?
I wonder how Syria beat off those US Saudi Israel backed ISIS?
NATO Membership For Ukraine and Georgia Would Bring Out the Bear in Russia (and vid)
"Western leaders argue that the growth of NATO along Russia's border together with the militarization of Eastern Europe is necessary for preserving peace with Moscow. Nothing could be further from the truth..."
Halifax International Security Forum 2018: Opening Remarks From Peter Van Praagh, President
https://halifaxtheforum.org/opening-remarks-from-peter-van-praagh-presid...
"Senator John McCain was an American Hero for the World. It was our honor to welcome him here to Halifax International Security Forum every year. We will miss him very much. This year, our honor is to welcome Mrs Cindy McCain, who has been with us here before, and who tomorrow morning will be awarding the inaugural John McCain Prize for Leadership in Public Service. Mrs McCain, welcome.
Ministers, Members of Parliament, Members of the Congressional Delegation, Distinguished Officers, Ladies and Gentlemen, colleagues and friends: Welcome to Halifax. In a moment, you will hear from the Hon Harjit Sajjan, Canada's Minister of National Defence and your host for the weekend..."
Pity there appears to be no Canadian peace movement worthy of the name and times. Pity so many, including 'progressives' subscribe to the ideas of warmongers like these, rather than fighting with every fibre of their being to shut them down. Let the warmongering and paranoia begin...
Greatest Crime on Earth (and vid)
https://worldbeyondwar.org/greatest-crime-on-earth/
"We are many. They are few. No to NATO. No to bases. No to war in distant places..."
NATO Economic Straightjacket: Military Spending Drains Public Coffers, Triggers Collapse of Social Programs
https://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-economic-straightjacket-military-spen...
"Canada's NATO contributions are directly linked to the current diseconomy plaguing this country. Last year alone, Canada spent $32 billion on military spending according to Public Accounts Canada, largely to bolster US imperialism abroad, to the detriment to humanity. US-led NATO is an aggressive military alliance..."
But just keep sucking up all that anti-Russia, anti-China war propaganda that is relentlessly spewed from US-based msm chumps and it'll all seem worth it.
NATO's Largesse: 'Nuclear Sharing'
https://blackagendareport.com/natos-largesse-nuclear-sharing
"The New Cold War is escalating, fueled by Washington's bid to isolate or strangle Russia. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute ranks Russia's military budget as the fourth greatest in the world, after those of the US, China, and Saudi Arabia, and one-tenth the size of the US military budget. Are we being conned by the Pentagon and the military industrial complex? Hell yes and that's among the greatest understatements of the 20th and 21st centuries.
The US is by contrast an empire declining beneath the weight of its grotesque military budgets and wars, even if it's not sinking as fast as Norway's frigate in NATO's latest war games. Question is, will its handlers take the rest of the world down with it, either by accident or on purpose?
Latest Odds of a Shooting War Between NATO & Russia
"Hungarian scholar George Szamuely tells Ann Garrison that he sees a 70 percent chance of combat between NATO and Russia following the incident in the Kerch Strait and that it is being fueled by Russiagate."
Psychoanalyzing NATO: Schizophrenia
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/12/15/psychoanalysing-nato-s...
"There is a striking schizophrenia among NATO members: Russia is, at one and the same time, so weak it's 'doomed' and so strong it's demolishing NATOland. Sounds as if we're the ones who are doomed..."
Worse Than Obsolete: NATO Creates Enemies
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/12/31/worse-than-obsolete-nato-creates...
"NATO's and the US military's desecration of corpses, attacks on wedding parties, mosques, hospitals and market places - along with the bombing of allied troops, torture of prisoners and their notoriously unaccountable drone warfare - are a few of the alliance's more infamous outrages in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen and Somalia...."
'We'll change NATO from within!' - Jack Layton, NDP
Odd statement for Jack Layton to make? Or it makes sense if he’s basically trying to say the NDP has now officially sold out.
Anyways here’s another link about the nato nazis
https://fbreporter.org/2018/08/11/gabriella-lima-nato-actions-contradict-their-values/
Hey NDPP, I still think you gave this thread the appropriate title
http://www.voltairenet.org/article174656.html
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201606281042050232-nato-nazi-ss-brussels-hitler/
Fall of Empires: London, Washington & Paris on Brink of Collapse (by George Galloway)
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/448381-fall-empires-washington-london-paris/
"Despite the thrashing around of the NATO disinformation apparat, the imperial heartland has entered 2019 in a state of complete chaos...The old order is dying; the new one cannot be born. If we are not careful we will soon be alive in the time of monsters."
Top Ten Reasons Not To Love NATO
http://davidswanson.org/top-10-reasons-not-to-love-nato/
"The New York Times loves NATO, but should you...?"
MSC2019: US Senator Lindsey Graham on NATO, Syria, Trump, EU and China Threat
"NATO has been a very good partner for the United States..."
NATO's Atlantic Council Hijacks Munich Conference With Revisionist 'Principles' Declaration
'New Atlantic Charter': Dei Neue Ordnung Redux
It is Long Past Time To Stop Expanding NATO
https://warontherocks.com/2019/03/it-is-long-past-time-to-stop-expanding...
"Expansion weakens the alliance rather than strengthening it. Every state added to NATO brings a strategic liability. They are consumers of security not providers..."
Trump Wants Brazil To Join NATO Under Far-Right Leader Bolsonaro
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1108140169289441280
"As Trump calls for Brazil's fascist government to join NATO, don't forget NATO produced a f(l) ashy film that honored the Forest Brothers - Baltic Nazi collaborators who murdered Jews in the Holocaust - as anti-communist heroes."
He'll fit in perfectly. Just exactly the right club for people like him.
No way Russia India China would ever tolerate this! I can see this bringing the big three together to form some kind of new Asian military alliance to counter.
Also an NATO expansion into South America is unheard of!
Another thing is the size of the Brazilian military, I’m not even sure the US would even tolerate the fact that if Brazil joined, Brazil would be pulling a lot of influence away from the US????
This is odd?
Hellbent: 78 Days of Bombing Yugoslavia
"Commemorating the 20th anniversary of NATO's 78 day bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. 'When they dropped the DU they knew that for 4.7 billion years their radioactive material would keep killing people."
'We'll change it from within!' - Jack Layton on Canada in NATO.
Pelosi and McConnell: Cranking Up Bipartisan Madness For NATO
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/29/pelosi-and-mcconnell-cranking-up...
"...McCain conveyed the common madness of reverence for NATO and the common intolerance for anything that might approach a rational debate on whether it's a good idea to keep expecting an American-led military alliance to, in effect, push Russia into a corner. Doing so is understandably viewed from Russia as a direct threat. (Imagine a Russian-led military alliance expanding to Canada and Mexico, complete with some of the latest missile systems on the planet.)
Ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall - and the quickly broken promises by the US government in 1990 that NATO would move 'not one inch eastward' - NATO has ben closing in on Russia's borders while bringing one nation after another into full military membership.' During the last three decades, NATO has added 13 countries - and it's not done yet.
As NATO marks its 70th anniversary next week with a range of activities - including a White House welcome for Stoltenberg on Tuesday, his speech to Congress the next day and an official 'celebration' on April 4 - a 'NO TO NATO' week will be held in Washington.
A statement from the campaign says that 'NATO and a just, peaceful and sustainable world are incompatible. It is an unjust, undemocratic, violent and aggressive alliance trying to shape the world for the benefit of a few..."
Enjoying all-party support in Canada.
Engler: Canada and 70th Anniversary of NATO
https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/03/canada-and-70th-anniversary-of-nato/
"The first installment in this series discussed how NATO was set up partly to blunt the European left. The other major factor driving the creation of NATO was a desire to bolster colonial authority and bring the world under a US geopolitical umbrella..."
70 Years of NATO Charts 70 Years of Brute Force and Hard Power
"The existence of NATO 70 years on from its creation is an insult to the millions who died so that the UN Charter could be born..."
Global NATO: A 70 Year Alliance of Oppressors in Crisis
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/09/global-nato-a-70-year-alliance-o...
"The evidence of the manipulation of the peoples of the world to ensure the continued survival of NATO has been well documented...Vijay Prashad has identified NATO as the prime defender of the Atlantic project. The Atlantic project he noted was, 'a fairly straightforward campaign by the propertied classes to maintain or restore their position of dominance..."
See also 'the rules-based international order'
Scott Taylor: On Target - US Moral Claim To High Ground is Pure Hypocrisy
http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-us-claim-to-moral-high-gro...
"...First of all, who even knew that the US had a contingent of troops in Libya in the first place? Even during the rebellion [Nato-backed regime change] in 2011, the deployment of US, British French and yes, even Canadian special forces, troops on the ground were officially denied. Canada unofficially let the cat out of the bag by having members of the Special Operations Regiment (CSOR) march in the Nov. 24, 2011 victory parade on Parliament Hill but no official announcement was ever made.
As for the US troops in Libya, no mention was made of how many were withdrawn or how many remain on the ground. If US troops are fighting and killing people in Libya, exactly who are they battling? Just as important is the question of who exactly are they fighting in support of, and under what legal authority? If the US truly respected international law, they would not be withdrawing troops from Libya and Syria because they should never have been deployed there in the first place.
The NATO cheerleaders and apologists pride themselves on claiming that we, as alliance members, are part of a 'rules-based international order'. This, they tell us, is what sets us apart from rogue states like Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Pakistan, etc who simply play by their own set of rules. If the true rule of the jungle is that 'might is right' then let's start by being honest with ourselves and quit the moral posturing. Rules are only for the weak."
By declaring war on Canada the Philippines will be declaring war on NATO (article 5).
What Does NATO Mean To You?
"NATO is an army that protects and defends us so we can be safe..."
Unfortunately this propaganda drivel is believed by adults too.
"Western propaganda about ourselves doesn't prepare us for how often our rulers lie, cheat, break promises/treaties, subvert international order. Each example is explained away as an isolated exception. Or we lie again and blame the fools we lied to..."
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1160578428065763334
WATCH: 'US Troops in Poland Would 'Break Promises To Russia' - Galloway
"Trump is looking to get Warsaw to agree on six new sites to station US troops in the country. Former UK MP George Galloway analyzes...
'People better wake up because I get the sense that we are sleepwalking into a new crisis here. I hear no-one talking about the ripping up of the INF treaty and Cruise missiles being sited on the European continent. Nothing could be more dangerous than that...'
NATO is Suffering 'Brain Death' Argues French President Macron
https://www.france24.com/en/20191107-macron-claims-nato-is-suffering-bra...
"What we are currently experiencing is the brain death of NATO,' Macron told The Economist magazine. The President's explosive comments, appearing to question the very future of NATO, threatened to send shock waves through the alliance ahead of a summit in Britain next month. 'We should reassess the reality of what NATO is, in light of the commitment of the United States,' he warned, adding that 'In my opinion Europe has the capacity to defend itself..."
Brain dead like those who defend it.
NATO's Crises
https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/12/natos-crises/
"NATO's London Summit on December 3 and 4, 2019 displays the deep political crises of the 70-year old alliance. Only a dinner and a short meeting, no statement to be issued, quarrels among the leading military members, accusations, substantial differences on Syria and many other issues, the deepest ever Transatlantic confict and the usual issues of burden-sharing. But the political dimension of NATO'S crisis is only one..."
Netanyahu Calls Off Visit to NATO Summit after UK Cites 'Logistical Problems'
https://twitter.com/massenilsson/status/1201574511222689793
"Logistical problems' = 'Persona non-grata'
NATO Bitterly Divided As London Summit Begins
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/03/nato-d03.html
"As heads of state of the NATO military alliance arrived yesterday in London for a two-day summit beginning today, 70 years after NATO's foundation in the aftermath of WWII in 1949, the bitter divisions tearing the alliance apart were on display. Facing defeat in their 8-year proxy war in Syria and in wars across the Middle East, the NATO powers are preparing a reckless escalation with potentially catastrophic consequences.
In particular, the tactical divisions over US imperialist foreign policy underlying the Democratic Party's campaign to impeach Trump and denounce him as a pro-Russian traitor are clearly linked to explosive conflicts within the entire NATO alliance. With Merkel, Macron, Putin and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky due to meet to negotiate a truce in Paris on December 9, excluding Washington, The Washington Post warned that the impeachment crisis could inadvertently strengthen the European powers' hand in Ukraine..."
WATCH: Trudeau Shilling for NATO
https://twitter.com/AtlanticCouncil/status/1201880765950238723
"On burden-sharing and meeting the 2% threshold, PM Trudeau says Canada has been stepping up its spending, 'but we're going to do it in a way that is right for Canada and right for the alliance..."
More the latter than the former.
Engler posits that a reason for NATO was to "blunt the European left". The part of that West European "left" that was seen as a menace was the Communist Party which, especially in France, was strong, after WWII, and was close to Moscow and the USSR, a One-Party state (the Reds had won in '18), former leader of the Comintern (dissolved in 1943), founded by Lenin/Trotsky in 1919 to encourage Communist One-Party governments where possible in the world. If you're looking for a Menace to justify NATO (good for arms sales, of course) its not exactly "the left". NATO has always been so important for the Canadian elite (except maybe Eric Kierans).
If you have a comment on NATO here you go to NATO Nazis. Why do so many on the Left find Nazis nearly everywhere ?
Trump Cancels Final NATO Press Conference After Tense and Troubled Summit
"US President Donald Trump has abruptly cancelled his final press conference at the NATO summit in London, following two days plagued by internal stresses and tensions between bloc members. There was imediate speculation, however, that Trump's decision to head home early came in response to a video which appeared online Wednesday, apparently showing Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau and French President Emmanuel Macron mocking the US leader, though they did not mention him by name. Asked by reporters about the video, Trump called Trudeau two-faced..."
'He's Two-Faced' (and vid)
"Trump strikes back at Trudeau after clip of NATO leaders mocking him. US President Donald Trump described Justin Trudeau as 'two-faced' after the Canadian leader was caught on camera with other NATO leaders apparently mocking Trump. The footage was released by pool reporters ahead of a summit marking NATO's 70th anniversary and shared widely online. The clip typifies the apparent divisions within NATO amid ongoing arguments over members paying their fair share for the military alliance, and after Macron termed the organization 'brain dead'."
Erdoğan is not welcome in Cambridge
The Nato summit has brought Presidents Trump and Erdoğan to the UK this week. Their visit has already been met with huge protests in London, Edinburgh and Glasgow. On Thursday 5 December, residents of Cambridge will also be protesting in the light of an invitation to Erdoğan to open the new Cambridge Central Mosque.
Several organisations and a growing number of individuals have signed a letter initiated by Muslims Against Erdogan. As the letter explains, ‘UK Muslim residents and particularly of Cambridgeshire and student groups and societies at the universities and colleges in Cambridge’ are protesting against the decision to invite Erdoğan. The letter, which can be signed directly, by emailing [email protected] or by messaging the Cambridge Stop the War facebook page, highlights the way Erdoğan’s government is:
currently systematically abusing the human rights of Muslims and other religious and ethnic minorities alike living within Turkish borders, as well as engaging in cross-border wars of aggression and military operations against majority Kurdish regions of Syria and Iraq. In the last five years alone, the Turkish state’s indiscriminate killing sprees resulted in the death of thousands of Muslim Kurds in three countries.
Local shops in the area have been asked to close for the time of the visit. Mill Road will be closed from Coleridge Road to Brooks Road. Shopkeepers are disgusted that the war criminal is coming to Cambridge. One shopkeeper, who will be joining the protest on Thursday, said: ‘He has killed children. Just this week, children were killed. How can he come show his face here?’
