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WWWTT

I seriously doubt the US will go to war with Venezuela over some diplomats. If so they would have done it already. 

I speculate Venezuela will call their bluff

NDPP
Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

WWWTT wrote:

I seriously doubt the US will go to war with Venezuela over some diplomats. If so they would have done it already. 

I speculate Venezuela will call their bluff

They wouldn't be going to war over diplomats, they would be using an assault on their embassy as a casus belli to give them colour of right in their planned war of aggression. Remember the Maine!

NDPP

US Backs Coup in Oil-Rich Venezuela

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1088181427122962434

"The US has effectively declared a coup in Venezuela. Trump recognized unelected right-wing opposition leader Juan Guaido as new 'president', and the opposition has said very clearly that it plans mass privatization and neoliberal capitalist policies.

 

Joe Emersberger on Venezuela

https://twitter.com/rosendo_joe/status/1088258826279763968

"Here are some poll results from Venezuelans in Venezuela done by opposition-aligned pollster. Corporate media won't tell you but the guy Emperor Trump named president of Venezuela heads an assembly that has 25% approval."

NDPP

TRNN: Is US Mounting a Coup in Venezuela?

https://youtu.be/VXo3iE-fB94

NDPP

With Two Rivals Claiming Venezuela's Presidency, Canada Shelters Family of Anti-Govt Colonel

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/venezuela-canada-military-maduro-1.4989843

"Canada's decision to recognize the opposition leader of a country as its president is highly unusual, Latin American experts said..."

Canada turning tricks for Uncle Same must be what Chrystia Freeland means by 'a rules-based international order."

NDPP

Trump's Coronation of Guaido as Venezuelan President - Al Capone Redux

https://on.rt.com/9mvm

"Scour the history books and you will struggle to find an act of imperialism more brazen than US President Donald Trump's de-recognition of Nicolas Maduro as Venezuela's president..."

 

"This is astonishing. Chrystia Freeland standing next to Brazil's far right Bolsonaro in Davos to announce Canada's support for a coup in Venezuela..."

https://twitter.com/derrickokeefe/status/1088280556704456704

Open your eyes Canucklheads. Your country is not a very nice one and you're led by puppets that you pretend represent you. And unless you actually do something to change that - they will continue to perpetrate such atrocities in your name.

iyraste1313

Thanks for these updates. The fact that Canada has supported a self declared leader of a country has serious legal implications.

Whether or not Maduro won fair and square is something to be considered in their country´s courts and public opinion, not by outside politicians.

I wonder what the position of the other political parties in Canada may be?

But a legal determination must be made if in fact Canada has violated its obligations to the UN Charter......

iyraste1313

Yves Engler.....

The NDP’s foreign critic has stayed quiet regarding the US/Canadian campaign against Venezuela’s elected government. I found no criticism by Hélène Laverdière of US/OAS leaders’ musing about invading or the August assassination attempt on Maduro. Nor did I find any disapproval from the NDP’s foreign critic of Canadian sanctions or Ottawa’s role in the Lima Group of anti-Venezuelan foreign ministers. Laverdière has also failed to challenge Canada's expulsion of Venezuelan diplomats and role in directly financing an often-unsavoury Venezuelan opposition. Worse still, Laverdière has openly supported asphyxiating the left-wing government through other means. The 15-year Foreign Affairs diplomat has repeatedly found cause to criticize Venezuela and has called on Ottawa to do more to undermine Maduro's government.

josh

Venezuelan military leaders across the country are rejecting Juan Guaidó, the opposition leader who on Wednesday declared himself interim president, and will continue to back Nicolás Maduro

https://www.businessinsider.com/military-leaders-venezuela-declaring-support-nicolas-maduro-2019-1

NDPP

Venezuela - The US Game Plan and How to Respond To It

https://t.co/l7OjmYvfTC

"This long-planned US move against the legitimate government of Venezuela is just the start. It is designed to lead to escalation and very soon mission creep - 'We can't stop here!' - will set in. More than 300 billion barrels of oil, the biggest oil reserves in the world, are at stake. US stooge Guaido plans to change Venezuela's oil law to the advantage of the US..."

Sean in Ottawa

I just tweeted to Maduro a question:

. Since Trump claims your election was not legitimate may I ask why you do not recognize President Pelosi?

 

josh
iyraste1313

I question whether this is a new role for Canada. Exactly what was our role, both in the Haiti coup vs. Aristede and its role vs. Zelaya in Honduras...

Enough is enough. Canada must be challenged legally for its interference in the sovereignty of such countries!

NDPP

"Alfred de Zayas, a former UN expert [rapporteur] who visited Venezuela in 2017 as a UN representative, said that the US is conducting an illegal coup in the country which is against international law."

https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1088655204591972352

NDPP

'A Dead Communist Dictator...'

https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/1088548014027874310

"If Sanders ever won a US election they would be doing this to him."

Or maybe not. USA has the same kind of 'socialists' as Canada it seems.  But of course we must know by now that American imperialism has always been a bi-partisan affair.

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Unionist wrote:
Any word from the NDP as to whether they're supporting regime change or not?

Toronto Star wrote:

“Canada should not simply follow the U.S.’s foreign policy, particularly given its history of self-interested interference in the region,” Singh said.

“The question of who is to lead Venezuela should be in the hands of Venezuelans.”

Singh’s statement came after Niki Ashton, an NDP MP from Manitoba who has run twice for party leader, condemned Canada’s recognition of Guaido.

“Trudeau sides with Trump’s regime-change agenda and Brazil’s fascist president in support of someone calling for a military coup in Venezuela,” she wrote on Twitter, referring to Brazil’s right-wing leader, whose country joined Canada, the U.S., Colombia, Peru and others in recognizing Guaido Venezuelan president.

“We cannot support an agenda of economic or military coups,” she wrote. “#HandsOffVenezuela.”

Party veteran Svend Robinson, who has returned to politics and is running for a seat in British Columbia in this year’s election, echoed Ashton’s statement on Thursday. Speaking on Parliament Hill, he said there are “serious concerns” about repression of dissent and free speech in Venezuela, but that it is “shameful” that Canada’s government is recognizing “an illegal coup” in the country.

Robinson also pointed to the history of U.S. interference in Central and South America, including the attempted invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs in 1961 and support for the military dictatorship in Chile when it took power in the early 1970s.


Jagmeet Singh questions Canada’s recognition of Venezuelan opposition leader

NDPP

"Incredible: a video about bringing democracy to Venezuela starring the person who rigged the 2016 DNC primary & ripped off millions of American voters. Hey Debbie Wasserman Schultz, how about you fix elections in Broward County, Florida before trying to 'help' other countries?"

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1088602104946663424

NDPP

'America Stands by the People of Venezuela as they Rise Up Against Authoritarian Rule': Pelosi

https://twitter.com/GeorgeSzamuely/status/1088729619287527424

"Nothing unites America's political and media elites as much as the thrilling prospect of sowing chaos and devastation in another country."

iyraste1313

“Canada should not simply follow the U.S.’s foreign policy, particularly given its history of self-interested interference in the region,” Singh said.....

And what pray tell does this supposed to mean? No statement on the matter of international law and Canada`s obligations? That Canada is in violation of its obligations to international law? That the NDP will present a motion in Parliament to support the rule of law in Venezuela, condemning the Governments in violation?

Is this the best we can expect from our alternative Party? Singh should be condemned for this milktoast bs!

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Former U.N. Expert: The U.S. Is Violating International Law by Attempting a Coup in Venezuela

As President Trump announces that the U.S. will recognize opposition leader Juan Guaidó as Venezuela’s new leader and sitting President Nicolás Maduro breaks off relations with the United States, we speak with a former U.N. independent expert who says the U.S. is staging an illegal coup in the country. Alfred de Zayas, who visited Venezuela as a U.N. representative in 2017.

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ALFRED DE ZAYAS:

Now, we have had, for the last years, actually, a media campaign against Venezuela. And I am particularly familiar with it, because before I went to Venezuela, I had to read everything and all the reports, not only of The Washington Post and of The New York Times, but also the reports of the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, the reports of Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc., proposing that there was a humanitarian crisis in Venezuela.

Now, when I went to Venezuela, I again took the opportunity to interview representatives of Amnesty International and PROVEA and the other opposition NGOs, but I also had the opportunity to study the documents, to compare, to see the statistics, etc., etc. And, of course, there was no humanitarian crisis. There was hunger. There was, what we say in Spanish, zozobra. There was suffering. There was malnutrition, etc., etc. But it’s not just stating that there is an economic crisis. That’s not the crucial point. The crucial point is which are the causes of that so-called humanitarian crisis. And certainly, those who are crying humanitarian crisis should be the least to say that they should now solve the problem. There’s a principle of international law called ex injuria non oritur jus, which is the principle to estoppel. So they should be estopped from demanding regime change when they themselves are the ones who are aggravating a situation, caused initially by the dramatic fall of the oil prices.

I wanted to make a reference to a professor, Pasqualina Curcio, of the University of Caracas. I had the opportunity of seeing her for a couple of hours when I was there. And she published a book called The Visible Hand of the Market. This is a book that documents the financial blockade, documents the whole complex economic war being waged against Venezuela, which reminds you of the economic war that was waged against Salvador Allende. And what’s interesting is, after three years of economic war against Allende not succeeding in toppling Salvador Allende, it took a coup d’état by General Augusto Pinochet, which brought the Chilean people 17 years of dictatorship.

We should be asking ourselves: Do we want a coup d’état in Venezuela? And what legitimacy would the government of Guaidó have? And what kind of elections would be held? Now, there have been, as I said, 26 or 27 elections in Venezuela since 1998. And President Jimmy Carter and the Carter Center went repeatedly to Venezuela to monitor those elections. And Carter had a very good opinion of the system and of the safeguards of elections in Venezuela. So, if the opposition really considers itself democratic, it has to play the democratic game, and it has to participate in the elections. They have chosen to boycott the elections over the last years.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Mexico backs Maduro as Venezuela president amid crisis

Mexico still backs Nicolas Maduro as Venezuelan president, the government's top spokesman said Wednesday after the head of Venezuela's opposition-controlled legislature declared himself interim president.

"We recognize the authorities elected in accordance with the Venezuelan constitution," Jesus Ramirez, spokesman for Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, told AFP.

He later wrote on Twitter that Mexico was "analyzing the situation in Venezuela."

"For the moment, there is no change in our diplomatic relations with the country nor its government," he said.

The United States and several Latin American countries, including Brazil, Colombia and Peru, all announced their backing for Guaido as interim president.

Mexico, the world's largest Spanish-speaking country, has taken a hands-off stance toward Venezuela under Lopez Obrador, a leftist who took office in December and has said his foreign policy is based on the "principle of non-intervention" in other countries' affairs.

Mexico was the only member of the 14-country Lima Group -- which includes several top Latin American powers and Canada -- not to sign a statement on January 4 calling on Maduro to transfer power to the democratically elected legislature, instead of starting a new term six days later.

That marked a major diplomatic shift for Mexico, which had been one of the most outspoken critics of Maduro's socialist government.

josh

Good to see.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

If the NDP wants to be taken as a defender of the right to self determination then it will start telling it like it is and not doing the usual well both sides are bad so what do we do. The people of Venezuela had an election and the asshole who wants to be a US puppet did not run.  I was not on the ground but I trust a monitoring group from Canada for my facts before I trust the opposition forces who refused to participate in democracy.

Raul Burbano of Common Frontiers said the organization, which sent observers to monitor the Venezuelan presidential election in May of 2018, also took issue with Ottawa’s assertion that the election was a sham.

The Canadian delegation, which was composed of members of Unifor, the Ontario Secondary School Teachers’ Federation, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers, The United Church, Common Frontiers and Rabble.ca, concluded in its final report that the May 20, 2018 elections “were fair, transparent and represented the will of the Venezuelan people.”

However, opposition politicians in Venezuela decried electoral fraud and contested the official results, which showed that Maduro won with nearly 68 per cent of the vote, well ahead of his nearest rival Henri Falcón, who received nearly 21 per cent of votes.

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2019/01/24/canadian-labour-group-blasts-ottawas-...

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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The people of Venezuela had an election and the asshole who wants to be a US puppet did not run.

Was he one of the opposition politicians who was barred from running?

Surely the Canadian delegation had some strong words to say about that, yes?

cco

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Was he one of the opposition politicians who was barred from running?

No. Fun fact: In the last election Guaido ran in, in 2015, he got 97,492 votes, or 26% of the vote, in his seat. Definitely a ringing democratic endorsement from the Venezuelan people.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Why don't you try reading the fucking report before spewing of your bullshit. The link is in the article and it isn't that long. The opposition is not interested in elections they are playing games instead of trying to win elections. When the biggest bully on the block is in your corner it makes you strut more. There are real people in Venezuela that will die if this coup becomes a civil war. Your imperialism is nauseating.

After nearly two years of peace negotiations between the government and the opposition parties, an agreement was reached in early February 2018, called “ Agreement of Democratic Coexistence for Venezuela.”

It established a political, economic, and social framework to solve the country’s problems. Included in the agreement was a date for elections and extended electoral guarantees. That same week former U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson while on a tour of Latin America openly called for regime change in Venezuela. On February 21 some coalition parties announced a boycott of the elections while other members like Progressive Advance (AP) did not boycott. “The premature and unconditional event that is announced for April 22, 2018 is just a show of the government to pretend a legitimacy that it does not have,” said opposition coordinator Angel Oropeza at a press conference.

https://www.commonfrontiers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Jun15_18-doc02...

 

josh

Back but not forgotten.  Like bringing in an arsonist to put out a fire.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BLMcKean/status/1088913254808801285

 

NDPP

'Where there's a US Coup there's Almost Always Oil...' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/IntheNow_tweet/status/1088922258742104064

"Nicolas Maduro's accused Washington of ordering a coup against his government. And there's multiple reasons to believe it's true!"

NDPP

Venezuela's US-Backed Coup Leader Immediately Targets State Oil Company, Requests IMF Money

https://t.co/gNHLVtifLx

"Unelected US-backed coup leader Juan Guadio immediately moved to try to restructure Venezuela's state-owned oil company and seek financing from the neoliberal IMF..."

 

Reasons Why the US [And Canada's] Government Wants To Overthrow Nicolas Maduro

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1088812485459664896

"There is a lot more going on between the US and Venezuela than meets the eye. #HandsOffVenezuela

Why not March Today for Venezuela!?

Toronto: Sat, Jan 26 - 2:30 PM, Bloor & Spadina

Winnipeg: Sat, Jan 26 - 3PM, 201 Portage Ave.

Vancouver - Sat, Jan 26 - 2PM, Vancouver Art Gallery

Montreal - Jan 27, Sunday, 1PM Phillps Square

Please check for more local actions..

NDPP

TRNN: Attempted Coup in Venezuela with Abby Martin, Greg Wilpert, Paul Jay 

https://youtu.be/cymO3x5LigU

"Sharmini Peries hosts a wide ranging conversation about the US-backed attempted coup in Venezuela..."

 

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - Chavez Inside the Coup

https://youtu.be/Id--ZFtjR5c

Excellent Irish documentary about the April 2002 failed  US Venezuela coup attempt. 

iyraste1313

Following not far behind, Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland quickly issued a statement recognizing Guaidó as President. Details also emerged of discussions between Freeland and Guaidó in the weeks leading up to his announcement....Alisone Bodine...Fire This Time

Is there any corroboration of this?

Would a case be made that Canada was engaged in a coup attempt )as suggested in both coups in Haiti and Honduras.

Freedland must be forced into a Court of Law to admit or deny this!

NDPP

Russia, China Block US Push For UN to Back Venezuela's Guaido

https://reut.rs/2UhrrWH

"Russia, China, South Africa and Equatorial Guinea blocked on Saturday a US push for a UN Security Council statement expressing full support for Venezuela's National Assembly as the country's 'only democratically elected institution'..."

 

"While the US is leading a right-wing coup in Venezuela and some liberals are outlandishly portraying this Trump-led coup as 'progressive', close US ally Ukraine is honoring Nazi collaborators and genocidal anti-Semites..."

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1088859946714841088

NDPP

John Bolton/Elliott Abrams: What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1088969937404735488

"Pleased to hear that my good friend Elliott Abrams is rejoining State as Special Envoy for Venezuela. Welcome back to the fight."

josh

iyraste1313 wrote:

Following not far behind, Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland quickly issued a statement recognizing Guaidó as President. Details also emerged of discussions between Freeland and Guaidó in the weeks leading up to his announcement....Alisone Bodine...Fire This Time

Is there any corroboration of this?

Would a case be made that Canada was engaged in a coup attempt )as suggested in both coups in Haiti and Honduras.

Freedland must be forced into a Court of Law to admit or deny this!

Yes, she was.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-freeland-spoke-to-venezuelan-opposition-leader-two-weeks-before-he/

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

Russia, China Block US Push For UN to Back Venezuela's Guaido

https://reut.rs/2UhrrWH

"Russia, China, South Africa and Equatorial Guinea blocked on Saturday a US push for a UN Security Council statement expressing full support for Venezuela's National Assembly as the country's 'only democratically elected institution'..."

Thanks for the link NDPP!

This vote is a good sign of US weakness! Almost more important is the growing strength and influence of China!

The fourth largest country in the world, Indonesia abstained. Another important player, India wasn’t voting but I suspect they would have also abstained to please the US and not piss off China Russia 

NDPP

"Well would you look at this! 'In mid-December, Guaido quietly traveled to Washington, Columbia and Brazil to brief officials on the opposition's strategy of mass demonstrations to coincide with Maduro's expected swearing-in for a second term on Jan 10."

https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1089274045642797056

 

Quiet Canadian Diplomacy Helped Guaido's Anti-Maduro Movement in Venezuela

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-guaido-diplomats-1.4994376

"Sources say Canadian diplomats have been keeping in close contact with Juan Guaido..."

josh

Pretty obvious this was well-coordinated with Canada playing the frontman for the U.S.

NDPP

Washington Follows Ukraine, Syria Roadmap in Push For Venezuela Regime Change

https://t.co/u1dJAMDlUP

"What happens in Venezuela going forward will have major consequences for the entire region and the world; and wiht the US already pushing countries to pick sides, the world may soon become as divided as it was immediately preceding WWII..."

 

Top 5 Dumbest Arguments Defending Trump's Venezuela Intervention

https://t.co/PXvqWz8oyV

"I haven't received a single robust argument in favor of Trump's Venezuela interventionism, but I have received a whole lot of really, stupid ones. Here are the top five most common and most astoundingly idiotic of them..."

 

Once Again They Are Silent

https://twitter.com/johnpilger/status/1089415774010310656

"Those described as 'progressive' present a silent front to the US attempt to crush yet another government in Latin America. US 'socialists' Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez offer only fearful measured monosyllables. And Jeremy Corbyn?"

NDPP

Venezuelan UN Envoy: UNSC Should Punish Those Behind Coup Attempts

https://youtu.be/5h0Kx57siLk

FM Jorge Arreaza at UNSC meeting, Saturday, January 26, 2019

 

Elliot Abrams Appointed by US to Oust Venezuelan Govt

https://youtu.be/WRalp15hWfU

"US Sec-State Mike Pompeo's appointment of Elliott Abrams, a hawkish neoconservative, to handle US policy toward Venezuela is a covert effort by Washington to oust the government in Caracas, a US writer and academic, Prof James Petras says."

montgomery

NDPP wrote:

US 'socialists' Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez offer only fearful measured monosyllables. And Jeremy Corbyn?"

The thing is, if any of those three truly spoke their minds on Venezuela and how it's looking like another US war for oil, they would be walking down the road tomorrow kicking rocks. 

Nobobdy who's barking at politicians on this forum has that to worry about so they can continue to bark as much as they like!! Although I do think Jagmeet had some criticism coming for his initial statement on Maduro. 

"Fearful measured monosyllables" is criticism enough for now. Let's not shit on and destroy the picks of the litter when we have nothing better to offer.

WWWTT

What a load of garbage Montgomery! Just admit it, you hold Jagmeet and the NDP to a higher standard then the liberals. 

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/VMplqEpfGhs

"Venezuela: propaganda debunked - people are against coup."

montgomery

WWWTT wrote:

What a load of garbage Montgomery! Just admit it, you hold Jagmeet and the NDP to a higher standard then the liberals. 

No, I' m expecting Jagmeet and the NDP to adopt a higher standard than the Liberals. Isn't that consistent with the rest on this forum?

WWWTT

montgomery wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

What a load of garbage Montgomery! Just admit it, you hold Jagmeet and the NDP to a higher standard then the liberals. 

No, I' m expecting Jagmeet and the NDP to adopt a higher standard than the Liberals. Isn't that consistent with the rest on this forum?

And like I said before, you’re full of shit! If you were sincere, then you’d be critical of the liberals at the same time. 

Let me ask u this Montgomery, how long were u on mlw before u got banned?

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

"Well would you look at this! 'In mid-December, Guaido quietly traveled to Washington, Columbia and Brazil to brief officials on the opposition's strategy of mass demonstrations to coincide with Maduro's expected swearing-in for a second term on Jan 10."

https://twitter.com/LavenderNRed/status/1089274045642797056

 

Quiet Canadian Diplomacy Helped Guaido's Anti-Maduro Movement in Venezuela

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-guaido-diplomats-1.4994376

"Sources say Canadian diplomats have been keeping in close contact with Juan Guaido..."

This is no surprise NDPP!

those two Canadians detained in China last month for security reasons were probably also spies being tracked by Beijing so no surprise here.

China is way better at tracking diplomatic spies since Tiananmen when diplomatic spies tried to disrupt.

What Canada did is criminal, making Justin a criminal

NDPP

"Idiot Netanyahu says that Zionistan now joins the US, Canada, UK, France, Spain and many other European countries in recognizing the 'new leadership."

https://twitter.com/Marwa_Osman/status/1089544316215803906

 

So Israel is now officially on board. No surprise really, especially given the appointment of Uber Zio warcriminal Eliott Abrams as US special envoy for Venezuela. Here's his late 'better-half' Rachel. Made for each other sounds like...

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1089391649363542016

WWWTT

Hey NDPP who cares about Israel? I’m more concerned about countries like Nigeria Pakistan India Thailand Vietnam. 

Im getting sick and tired of these white imperialist and neo conservative countries always kissing uncle sams ass like there’s no tomorrow. 

They should have a dirty ass kissing paegent and crown the winner. 

NDPP

Good job for you WWWTT. I'm curious too.  Why not make yourself useful and see if you can find the answers...?  Which governments support the coup and which don't? This is not complete by any stretch but it will serve to start you off. 

The Countries that Support Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro or Opposition leader Juan Guaido (January 24, 2019)

https://qz.com/1532754/which-countries-support-venezuelan-president-madu...

WWWTT

Ok here’s who I think support Mudaros. Also included is who doesn’t support the coup. 

Russia Bolivia Cuba Mexico Uruguay Iran China India Indonesia every African nation (all 54) Turkey Syria Iraq Lebanon 

Not sure about the rest of Asian countries 

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