Venezuela

NDPP wrote:

What you think is one thing published corroboration is a better thing. 

Sorry comrade I don’t understand this comment?

A failed coup in Venezuela

The fulcrum of geopolitical tension sits on Caracas, the capital of Venezuela. An attempted coup on January 23 has failed. The U.S. decided to recognise a member of the Opposition, Juan Guaidó, as the President of Venezuela. U.S. officials called upon the military to rise up against the government of President Nicolás Maduro. This was against the charters of the United Nations and of the Organisation of American States (OAS). None of that mattered. The drumbeats sounded from Washington to Caracas. There was a minor drum playing from many Latin American capitals, those whose governments had joined the Lima Group — set up in Peru in 2017 to overthrow the government of Venezuela.

There is little respite for the country, where tension sits heavily from one end to another. Thus far, the government of Mr. Maduro remains in power, and the military has pledged its fealty to the re-elected president. It is unlikely that the Venezuelan Opposition — controlled by the old oligarchy — will be able to engineer a coup from within the country. It tried such a political manoeuvre in 2002, which failed. This time it has failed again.

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Steeped in trouble

Venezuela is in trouble. No one doubts that. Oil prices have fallen to half of what they were at the highpoint of Chávez’s government. Since the treasury of Venezuela is almost entirely replenished by the incomes from oil sales, the collapse of oil prices means the collapse of Venezuela’s public finances. Unable to borrow easily, the country faces serious economic difficulties. Sanctions by the U.S. and the seizure of refining sites in the Caribbean put the country into a situation of great crisis. No wonder that people are leaving the country, fleeing their homeland as it is suffocated for political purposes by the U.S. and its Latin American allies in the Lima Group.

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The isolation of Venezuela is remarkable. Not long ago, the country was the heartbeat of the leftist assertion in the hemisphere. Now, with the emergence of right-of-centre governments in Latin America and with an explosive energy for regime change in Washington, matters are more complex. Mr. Arreaza said that Mr. Maduro had invited the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Michelle Bachelet, to visit Venezuela. She has not yet come. Mr. Maduro, he said, wanted the UN to host a dialogue with the Opposition to restore some balance to the politics in the country. No such assistance has been provided. A hand is outstretched from Caracas, Mr. Arreaza said. It is waiting for someone to take hold of it.

Is Venezuela being prevented from selling their oil? 

NDPP]</p> <p>[quote=JKR]</p> <p>Is Venezuela being prevented from selling their oil? </p> <p>[quote=NDPP wrote:

Trump Sanctions Against Venezuela Have Decimated Oil Production

https://venezuelanalysis.com/video/14236

Well thanks for finding that link NDPP! It's saved me a lengthy explanation. Some people are really just totally out of touch with the truth about the US. 

I've been vocal about that since I started on this forum because I don't think a majority of NDP'ers are really aware of the facts. I say that because I expect the people who post on this board would and should be, but many aren't.

But I see value in this forum in that they can be re-educated on US/Canada/world politics and this board serves as the forum in which it can be discussed, as good as any.

I really do wish though that criticism of the Conservative fascists wouldn't be construed as support of the Liberals. In my opinion the NDP has already made that mistake and we don't need to keep making it.

NDPP wrote:

Would still like to see a more complete published breakdown of governments for and against the Maduro government. If anyone finds a list, please post. This will do for now:

Country Recognition of Venezuela as of Today:

https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1089676935427444742

"Blue supports Guaido. Red supports Maduro."

The fact that the governments supporting Guaido may not reflect the sentiments of their citizens should give pause to reflect upon that disturbing reality. 

No no no, that’s completely fucking wrong!

If a country has had some kind of diplomatic relations with Venezuela and recognition of Maduro as the president, then they still do unless they have clearly and distinctly say otherwise! Case in point is India. I know from my research that India was maintaining strong relations with Venezuela despite the US’s disappointed. India hasn’t said anything since this phoney coup so by default India still supports Maduro.

Monday, January 28, 2019

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Common Dreams

'This Is Very Dangerous': Trump Administration Seizes Venezuela Oil Assets, Renews Threat of Military Action If Maduro Stays...

this is very instructive, for any of us, engaged in attempts to build alternatives to the imperialist system, a sovereigntist self reliant society, with social organization in control

Sanctions Are Wars Against People

https://t.co/9yTe9y6pAL

"A former UN rapporteur says that the numerous US sanctions against Venezuela are devastating and illegal. 'Economic warfare practised by the US, EU and Canada are significant factors in the economic crisis. Sanctions kill..."

"So US sanctions carrying a $6 billion hit in one year to a country while it is only able to import $11.7 billion in goods is a huge deal, but the usual creeps look for ways to dismiss it."

https://twitter.com/rosendo_joe/status/1088988797147271174

WWWTT wrote:

Not crazy about some of these news outlets but I need them to make some points. I suspect Iran and Russia are going to get very militarily involved in Venezuela! I wouldn’t be surprised if Turkey joins in as well? But speculation at this point. 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-iran-warn-us-venezuela-crisis-1308109 

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We might disagree on some issues but you nailed it on this one! However, I dare not hope for you  being right because if you're not, the disappointment will be too hard to handle. Russia and China definitely were the reason why the US didn't get their war on Syria for sure. There is once again resistance to US aggression. Is it too early for Russia and China to assert their power and influence in Venezuela? 

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I’m thinking that the election of a right wing neo conservative in Brazil has emboldened the US to pull this shit! And China Russia and Iran desperately do not want to lose their strong ally in South America.

It's always possible but but the US gaining control over Venezuela has been planned ever since Hugo came to power, and almost positively even before. 

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Its also possible that India South Africa Syria and possibly another dozen African Asian countries don’t like hearing the US Canada and a few other western countries just all of a sudden unilaterally declare that someone else is now the president of a country because they don’t like the leadership!

I think you're really talking about the rise of the BRICS as the force to counter US aggression and the planned conquest of the entire globe. There was a window of opportunity for the US to accomplish their PNAC agenda but they didn't get it done in time and now Russia and China have slammed that window shut! 

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After all, if the US is allowed to get away with this, then who’s next? And I guarantee everyone here at babble, if the US gets their way with Venezuela, there will be another country in a couple years facing this kind of coup, if not multiple!

Clearly the only hope for the world is in China and Russia with their nuclear threats of MAD. That is the only language that the US understands and the only factor that can stop them. Indeed, MAD has saved us from WW3 for nearly 75 years. And it's not because the Russian were coming, the Russian never were! 

OAS Interventionist Resolution Against Venezuela Defeated

A total of 18 countries rejected the interventionist statement proposed by Argentina at the OAS.

Published on TeleSUR, Jan 25, 2019

Here's another new method being used by the US to overthrow Venezuela's elected government.

https://www.rt.com/news/450049-us-gives-opposition-assets/?utm_source=br...

And a good reason for all countries to withdraw from trade relations with the US. 

But China is pushing back!

https://www.rt.com/news/450019-china-opposes-sanctions-venezuela-us/

NDPP wrote:

The Making of Juan Guaido

https://t.co/LufvHL6sV4

"How the US regime change laboratory created Venezuela's coup leader..."

It's a good detailed link, at least the bit I read of it. But I wonder if it's true that most of us who don't have our heads up America's ass, already know the facts on US aggression. And we don't need to read all the details anymore. Not to mention that we don't have the time to do it.

I'm actually saying that those who still need convincing, and undoubtedly there are some NDP'ers on this forum who do, probably won't read that link. We have to come together on the common cause and then coerce those holdouts who are still slobbering over the US as Canada's ally, to take some baby steps toward seeing how they're so wrong. 

I think the best hope for Canada in the coming fight for world domination by the two sides is that Canada become a neutral. Supposing the US would allow that?

Thanks for the rt link montgomery!

I suspect that Iran and Russia will get militarily involved with Venezuela security shortly. Very possible that Syria Turkey and South Africa will also send military support?

A serious advantage the US has is geography and I’m sure this has been a dilemma the Venezuela supporters are fully aware and know must be overcome. 

England Blocking $1.2 Bn in Venezuelan Gold

https://youtu.be/Uq4NRLl2EDM

Former UN Rapporteur Alfred de Zayas and ex UK MP George Galloway discuss.

Canada become a neutral. Supposing the US would allow that?

To think that we can make Canada a sovereign neutral country, by political means is of course absurd!
A grass roots movement, holistic, built on personal commitment to a sovereign non corporate society must be put into place first!

Here’s a follow up on NDPP’s link about Britain seizing Venezuela gold

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2018/12/04/turkeys-erdogan-cover-venezuelas-necessities-including-mosque/

Apparently Venezuela has some gold mining Turkey is interested in! Maduro and Turkey struck a deal and the British are playing with fire on this one!

Here’s an interesting link I found that builds on a geographic divide from Asian allies that Venezuela must overcome 

https://thesaker.is/america-to-venezuela-your-money-and-your-life/

NDPP wrote:

The Making of Juan Guaido

https://t.co/LufvHL6sV4

"How the US regime change laboratory created Venezuela's coup leader..."

That is an amazing read, NDPP. Notice that the mainstream media throughout the west and our neutered politicians never make any reference to who this character is or what the party he represents is about.  There is no interest in even checking out why this character is so supported by extreme right wing political leaders in Latin America and elsewhere. I knew nothing of him but I smelled something pretty fishy since I had been following Venezuela Analysis for awhile back when Hugo Chavez was still alive.

Venezuela’s Prosecutor General Tarek Saab stated on Tuesday that the court should start an investigation against Guaido following the recent violent clashes in the country and the blocking of Venezuelan assets abroad.

“We are asking the Supreme Court to introduce preventive measures, including a ban on leaving the country, a ban on alienation or pledge of movable and immovable assets and the blocking of [Guaido’s] bank accounts,” Saab said in a speech broadcast on Twitter.....Sputnick

WWWTT wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Thanks for the rt link montgomery!

I suspect that Iran and Russia will get militarily involved with Venezuela security shortly. Very possible that Syria Turkey and South Africa will also send military support?

A serious advantage the US has is geography and I’m sure this has been a dilemma the Venezuela supporters are fully aware and know must be overcome. 

I don't see Iran doing this although their sympathies will be there along with their concerns.

I can't see how they would have the reach or even the interest high enough for the cost.

You sure about that?

Check out this link and tell me what u think

https://theiranproject.com/blog/2019/01/06/iranian-warships-in-us-backyard-tehran-to-deploy-navy-to-western-atlantic-commander/

 

I think it is either Iranian fantasy or bluster. It is designed to make the Americans consider how they feel about the US close to them. It is not a plan to become involved in anything other than recording a tour. These ships do not constitute a threat or a support to anyone.

The plan is to send a 2-3 warships to Venezuala. They will go and come back having done nothing but spit in the eye of the US. They will have other ships in the Atlantic as well. They are making a point by sailing there. This is not the same as becoming involved in any conflict or support.

Iran, as I said, does not indicate having the desire to extend any power to do more given other priorities. Having them tour around the Atlantic in international waters just to show they were there is not projecting real power - just a point about the US near Iran.

When is a Democracy Not a Democracy?

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/14275

"When it's Venezuela and the US is pushing regime change..."

Especially if there was nothing 'faulty' about it.

NDPP wrote:

Especially if there was nothing 'faulty' about it.

I am not judging this vote one way or the other - I am questioning the idea that any allegation of faults in a vote can ever justify intervention like this.

It is very questionable to call democratic process in Canada meeting international standards.

(Section 3 and 25)

And for a Government to run on one platform, then to reverse its course afterwards? Very questionable!
 

WWWTT wrote:

This needs repeating. 

The sanctions placed on Venezuela are illegal! They are only placed because the US and their servants don’t like the popular socialist government of Venezuela. 

If these sanctions were never in place, Venezuela would be a very different country right now 

This is encouraging, though even some of the old guard are still slobbering over the US as our friends and allies. Old habits are hard to break.

This may be the only board where the truth about the US can be told and people can get away with it. Telling the truth on any of the other ones, including the  MLW, will get you shown the door within two days. 

This needs to be mentioned in order for anybody not 'getting it' yet to hear it as a challenge. The sucking up to US imperialism has goine on long enough. Even some Americans are coming to their senses ahead of us. The commenters at antiwar.com are actually putting the boots to Raimondo now! That's somethin!