Jagmeet Singh Issues Statement On Venezuela

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Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Why would Singh do this?  People who are the sort of obsessive anti-leftist types that obsess on forcing Venezuela to go hardline capitalist don't share any common values with anything the NDP has ever been about.  That sort of person is not going to be pro-labour, will not defend the social welfare state, will pretty much always be a total neoliberal reactionary.  What's the point of trying to appease people like that, people who'd never vote NDP no matter what?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

I'd say this makes a clear argument for dumping Singh as leader even if he does win the by-election.  If he's pandering to old school Cold Warrior types-a dying breed in Canada-what's he ever going to be able to say or do after that could possibly reflect any sort of progressive vision?

JeffWells

Singh's come out today with a more equivocating statement, much like his first one, which makes it look like Laverdiere maybe went rogue in the absence of leadership. Whatever the story, it's a complete disaster entirely of the party's own making.

Mighty Middle

In a quickly arranged scrum today (to talk pharmacare) Jagmeet Singh appeared to be completely unaware of the NDP position described by his foreign affairs critic Helene Laverdiere.

Asked "Who’s the president of Venezuela?"  Singh doesn’t say whether he thinks it’s Guaido or Maduro

https://twitter.com/KelvinGawley/status/1093229906924777473

Meanwhile NDP MP Matthew Dube says the party’s position on Venezuela was clearly stated by Laverdiere, says he hasn’t seen Jagmeet Singh’s statements today and won’t comment on them.

https://twitter.com/btaplatt/status/1093246203213606914

 

Sean in Ottawa

Gutless.

bekayne
epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..smells like a power struggle. the third way vs the more leftish aspects of the caucus.

eta: svend coming forward may have paniced some third wayers.

Mighty Middle

Mighty Middle wrote:

Asked "Who’s the president of Venezuela?"  Singh doesn’t say whether he thinks it’s Guaido or Maduro

https://twitter.com/KelvinGawley/status/1093229906924777473

NDP Pundit Kathleen Monk is on CBC now and has blasted the reporter calling this a "gotcha" question, saying the more appropriate question should have been "How should we help Venezuela?" and not something as trivial as "Who is the president of Venezuela?"

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..nothing changes without a struggle. this could develop into a situation that will require membership engagement.

JeffWells

Mighty Middle wrote:

NDP Pundit Kathleen Monk is on CBC now and has blasted the reporter calling this a "gotcha" question, saying the more appropriate question should have been "How should we help Venezuela?" and not something as trivial as "Who is the president of Venezuela?"

That's an awful remark. Who we recognize as the President of Venezuela is what this is about. If the leader of a federal party struggles to answer it it's not the fault of the question. While "How should we help?" sounds like fishing for a humanitarian pretext to abet a coup. We're hearing it all the time from those who unabashedly are.

Sean in Ottawa

JeffWells wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NDP Pundit Kathleen Monk is on CBC now and has blasted the reporter calling this a "gotcha" question, saying the more appropriate question should have been "How should we help Venezuela?" and not something as trivial as "Who is the president of Venezuela?"

That's an awful remark. Who we recognize as the President of Venezuela is what this is about. If the leader of a federal party struggles to answer it it's not the fault of the question. While "How should we help?" sounds like fishing for a humanitarian pretext to abet a coup. We're hearing it all the time from those who unabashedly are.

Agreed. Monk is establishment NDP and betraying a lack of principles. This is the real problem in the NDP. Sorry to say.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Could he have answered "that's up to the people of Venezuela"?

Mighty Middle

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Could he have answered "that's up to the people of Venezuela"?

That is what he is being criticized for saying, and not taking a side.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

It really is sad. From what I have heard or read, most unions are opposed to this bloodlust to overthrow Maduro and his government. And might I add, that this non-stop coverage on Venezuela FAILS to even give any background or detail about self-proclaimed President Juan Guadid or the party he represents.

Aristotleded24

Ken Burch wrote:
I'd say this makes a clear argument for dumping Singh as leader even if he does win the by-election.  If he's pandering to old school Cold Warrior types-a dying breed in Canada-what's he ever going to be able to say or do after that could possibly reflect any sort of progressive vision?

No. We still haven't paid the debts from the last leadership campaign. There is not enough time to engage the membership, elect a leader, run campaigns, and introduce the leader to the public. The other route of appointing an interim leader is going to be hard for grassroots NDPers to stomach, and they will not be behind the NDP. Either way, that new leader would lead the NDP to disaster, and would only be scapegoated for the loss and we would be stuck with another leadership race anyways.

JeffWells is right. The federal NDP is crashing and burning. Let that process play itself all the way out. Once the dust settles, there will be plenty of time to assess and figure out where to go from there.

Debater

"I don't know what the official position is":

Tom Mulcair discussed the contradictory messages coming from the NDP over the party's stance on Venezuela.

Watch the full interview here:

https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1093320228732325888

WWWTT

alan smithee wrote:

I highly doubt that Canada will be involved in any intervention in Venezuela. It's the same old lip service to the US. If we weren't attached physically, Canada would not even entertain such an idea. You know Canada is going to back the Americans. They are no longer one of our allies but what can you do? Canada is the USA's endentured slaves because of trade. And Canada will always be that way until we find closer allies in which we can shore up a trade relationship which excludes the US..

LOL! Ya ok if you say so?

Unionist

laine lowe wrote:

It really is sad. From what I have heard or read, most unions are opposed to this bloodlust to overthrow Maduro and his government.

I want to believe you're right. At least I haven't heard any union so far adopting the Trudeau-Freeland line, but if anyone has, please let us know.

 

NDPP

Check and compare:

UK Labour MP Chris Williams (and vid)

https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1093555958339514370

"The British public are tired of war and foreign meddling. Venezuela is no different. They disdain politicians that let people sleep  on streets, while pushing regime change overseas. So do I. It's why I'm a socialist."

And quite clearly why the NoDifferenceParty is not. 

'It's time for a new politics...'

WWWTT

@NDPP

Thanks for the link!

I think in a country like Britain, the former largest imperialist empire humans (ya not the world) have ever known, more people have become tired of the horror nightmares of imperialism. 

In Portugal during the 60’s and early 70’s, the Portuguese people’s had enough of their fascist imperialist government and started the carnation revolution. 

I think other imperialists have learned from Portugal to achieve a more sustainable form of imperialism. Some of the British people are aware, how many?  Many Canadians and Americans I believe are also aware, but obviously far fewer. We haven’t hit imperialism rock bottom yet. 

Mighty Middle

Not about Venezuela but Jagmeet Singh depth of foreign policy.

Globe editorial: How Jagmeet Singh’s leadership has diminished the NDP

It’s not just his lack of a seat in the House of Commons, but his lack of grounding in the big issues of federal politics; not just his superficial slickness but his lack of policy depth; not just occasional verbal stumbles so much as a chronic awkwardness when put on the spot.

Mr. Singh’s underwhelming performance in the spotlight does not matter in and of itself. This isn’t figure skating, and there are no style points. But he is dragging his party down, and that matters. Canada benefits from a strong, articulate NDP. And right now we have… something else.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-globe-editori...

cco

Not about Venezuela, and three weeks old. But not about SNC-Lavalin either, so for the Liberals, it's a plus to bring up today.

Mighty Middle

cco wrote:
Not about Venezuela, and three weeks old. But not about SNC-Lavalin either, so for the Liberals, it's a plus to bring up today.

Last time I checked the the topic of this thread is about Venezuela and the article is about Jagmeet Singh depth of foreign policy. Not about SNC-Lavalin. 

What exactly is the connection between the coup in Venezuela and SNC-Lavalin (which you brought up?)  Otherwise you are just deflecting. So try to keep the topic at hand, which is about foreign policy.

WWWTT

Mighty Middle wrote:

Not about Venezuela but Jagmeet Singh depth of foreign policy.

Globe editorial: How Jagmeet Singh’s leadership has diminished the NDP

It’s not just his lack of a seat in the House of Commons, but his lack of grounding in the big issues of federal politics; not just his superficial slickness but his lack of policy depth; not just occasional verbal stumbles so much as a chronic awkwardness when put on the spot.

Mr. Singh’s underwhelming performance in the spotlight does not matter in and of itself. This isn’t figure skating, and there are no style points. But he is dragging his party down, and that matters. Canada benefits from a strong, articulate NDP. And right now we have… something else.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-globe-editori...

Thanks for posting this icm article proving the bias dialogue being used to blacklist the NDP! Please provide more. 

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

Thanks for posting this icm article proving the bias dialogue being used to blacklist the NDP! Please provide more. 

Then share with us some examples of Jagmeet Singh brilliant policy depth when it comes to foreign policy. Specifically China and Venezuela.

So provide some quotes, thanks.

WWWTT

Thanks for proving your own bias and bringing this a full circle. 

It will never matter what Jag says, the icm response will be the same, straight negativity 

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

Thanks for proving your own bias and bringing this a full circle. 

It will never matter what Jag says, the icm response will be the same, straight negativity 

Translation you cannot find anything of of substance that Jagmeet Singh has said on the Foreign Policy front. Otherwise you would have shared it here.

WWWTT

Bullshit Mighty Middle! I already commented on Jags take. And you know it. 

Just keep posting those bias icm links. Other than that, I have no use for you and will ignore you until then. All the best. 

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

Bullshit Mighty Middle! I already commented on Jags take. And you know it. 

You defended his foreign policy stance, when he clearly doesn't have one.

Unionist

The NDP is sinking deeper in the cesspool, with no lifeguard in sight.

New Democrats Condemn the Lifting of Parliamentary Immunity for Mr. Guaido

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NDP Foreign Affairs Critic, Guy Caron, issued the following statement:

"The NDP strongly deplores the Venezuelan constituent assembly’s decision to remove parliamentary immunity for Juan Guaido.

New Democrats are deeply concerned about politicizing judicial systems, the reversal of democratically-made decisions and the deterioration of human rights.

Only free and fair elections can bring a sustainable resolution to this political crisis, which is seriously impacting everyday life for people in Venezuela.

The Canadian government must work with its counterparts and partners to provide unconditional humanitarian aid, and ensure that available aid can enter the country and bring help to civilian populations.

The NDP reiterates its opposition to the use of force and military interventions in Venezuela; they will never be an appropriate response and will not foster political, social or economic stability.

We call on the Canadian government to show leadership and arrive at a diplomatic and peaceful solution."

Co-signed by Chrystia Freeland and Donald Trump.

Mobo2000

Disgusting.   I wonder how we are going to "ensure that available aid can enter the country".   How oh how?

ETA -- this recent statement is especially disappointing given the clear headed and progressive reaction to the Venezuala crisis by much of the Canadian labour movement.  

 

NDPP

NDP: 'A party of the working class led by the middle class in the interest of the ruling class.'  But on babble: 'Jagmeet Singh: David taking on neoliberal Goliath.' The NDP is part of the neoliberal Goliath. A place where liberals go to pretend they're left. But as we see, their true nature is always revealed to be what it actually is.

NDPP

I mean, seriously, once you can support NATO and Apartheid Israel you can support pretty much anything as we see  here. This is no problem because it's all pretend politics...

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

How was the Supreme Court able to lift parliamentary immunity without the necessary support of the National Assembly?  That's required by the Constitution.

NorthReport

It must be all the fault of that new NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh eh Unionist!

Unionist wrote:

The NDP is sinking deeper in the cesspool, with no lifeguard in sight.

New Democrats Condemn the Lifting of Parliamentary Immunity for Mr. Guaido

Quote:

NDP Foreign Affairs Critic, Guy Caron, issued the following statement:

"The NDP strongly deplores the Venezuelan constituent assembly’s decision to remove parliamentary immunity for Juan Guaido.

New Democrats are deeply concerned about politicizing judicial systems, the reversal of democratically-made decisions and the deterioration of human rights.

Only free and fair elections can bring a sustainable resolution to this political crisis, which is seriously impacting everyday life for people in Venezuela.

The Canadian government must work with its counterparts and partners to provide unconditional humanitarian aid, and ensure that available aid can enter the country and bring help to civilian populations.

The NDP reiterates its opposition to the use of force and military interventions in Venezuela; they will never be an appropriate response and will not foster political, social or economic stability.

We call on the Canadian government to show leadership and arrive at a diplomatic and peaceful solution."

Co-signed by Chrystia Freeland and Donald Trump.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Just when I think I might be able to at least hold my nose and vote for them again they do shit like this. The only proper response is to support the Montevideo Mechanism put forward by our NAFTA partner and Uruguay and backed by CARICOM.

Unionist

NorthReport wrote:

It must be all the fault of that new NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh eh Unionist!

Strange comment. It's absolutely not the fault of Jagmeet Singh. Jagmeet actually responded to pressure from NDP ranks (Niki and others) and walked back from the late unlamented Hélène Laverdière's usual rah-rah-pro-intervention statement. That showed flexibility and principle on his part.

How could you forget that so quickly? Too busy posting articles?

Now Guy Caron is stepping into Laverdière's shoes, where he has always found a comfortable fit.

My hope is that if enough people (Niki? Svend? rank-and-file members?) stop having orgasms over the NDP long enough to remind it of its principles and duties, then maybe, just maybe, it can get back to a decent stand on this issue. The NDP has been too complicit in too many U.S.-led regime-change interventions and invasions - but not all of them. Let's keep up the pressure and stay optimistic.

What do you think, NR? Make sense? Or do you perhaps support Guy Caron's statement? 

Unionist

Mr. Magoo wrote:

How was the Supreme Court able to lift parliamentary immunity without the necessary support of the National Assembly?  That's required by the Constitution.

Try reading a little more carefully, my friend.

NorthReport

I know it is not as sexy but I think the NDP needs to focus primarily on Canadian bread and butter issues Issues like decent jobs housing the health system including  dental care pharmacare Skills and training reducing the gap between the rich and poor transportation seniors parks and camping and climate change and diversifying our trading partners so we are not too dependent on any one particular country reconciliation right wing extremism and northern Canada 

Pondering

Isn't what Singh said supporting the Montevideo Mechanism? No force or military intervention, unconditional humanitarian aid, diplomatic and peaceful resolution. Free and fair elections.

Is it that he hasn't condemned Juan Guaido and supported Maduro unconditionally? 

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Quote:
Try reading a little more carefully, my friend.

I read it again, more carefully, but it still only mentions the Constituent Assembly, which is not the same as the National Assembly.

So to borrow a page from, well, your book, I'll ask again:  how was the Venezuelan Supreme Court able to lift Guaido's parliamentary immunity without the support of the National Assembly, if the Constitution requires that?

Unionist

Pondering wrote:

Isn't what Singh said supporting the Montevideo Mechanism? No force or military intervention, unconditional humanitarian aid, diplomatic and peaceful resolution. Free and fair elections.

We're talking about yesterday's statement by Guy Caron, not Jagmeet Singh.

This is what Singh said on January 24 (walking back Laverdière's regime change statement). I hope they don't remove it from the ndp.ca page too quickly. No support for Maduro there - it's none of our business to "support Maduro" anyway, except in the face of invasion and foreign subversion.

Guy Caron condemned an action of the Constituent Assembly of Venezuela regarding Guaido's parliamentary immunity. That's interference in the sovereign affairs of Venezuela. He also called on the Canadian government to "ensure that available aid can enter the country and bring help to civilian populations." That's the responsibility of the Venezuelan government, and they're working with the U.N., the ICRC, and friendly governments to do just that. He also called on the Canadian government "to show leadership and arrive at a diplomatic and peaceful solution". If he wasn't dangerous, I'd assume he was just a clown of some kind.

Pondering wrote:

Is it that he hasn't condemned Juan Guaido and supported Maduro unconditionally? 

No, not at all. It's his (Caron's - NOT Singh's) support and demands for interference in the sovereign affairs of Venezuela. Hope that distinction isn't lost on you.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NDPP wrote:

NDP: 'A party of the working class led by the middle class in the interest of the ruling class.'  But on babble: 'Jagmeet Singh: David taking on neoliberal Goliath.' The NDP is part of the neoliberal Goliath. A place where liberals go to pretend they're left. But as we see, their true nature is always revealed to be what it actually is.

If you're going to argue that people should switch from voting NDP to voting for a party to the NDP's left, you SHOULD be trying to build a party to the NDP's left which has a living, participatory, radical and democratic socialist tradition, as opposed to the CPC and the CPC-ML, both of which are permanently frozen in time in their support of dictatorial and extinct models of socialist development.  

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i sent an email to niki ashton asking her to respond to this.  

Pondering

Unionist wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Is it that he hasn't condemned Juan Guaido and supported Maduro unconditionally? 

No, not at all. It's his (Caron's - NOT Singh's) support and demands for interference in the sovereign affairs of Venezuela. Hope that distinction isn't lost on you.

No it isn't lost, but I feel that Guy Caron is high level enough to assign responsibility to the party and by extension Singh. Otherwise it is a sneaky way for a party to signal a message without taking responsibility for it. 

I am disappointed because I want to be supportive of Guy Caron because I am hopeful his economist background will help the NDP create a strong costed platform. 

It would be so much simplier if people would just wear black and white hats. Compromise is unavoidable but there are some things that can't be compromised on. Racism, LGBTQ rights, etc. Life and death situations as well so our involvement in Libya and Syria etc. 

The situation in Venezuala is life and death. We are judging forced statements in the sense that they are asked questions that must be responded to. It isn't necessarily indicative of positions they would take once in office concerning international affairs. It could be this is being judged as not worth getting into a battle over and being accused of supporting a dictator. Maduro is not doing himself any favors. As long as we don't invade nobody gives a shit what Canada says much less what the leader of the 3rd party says. 

Choosing between Trudeau, Scheer, and Singh, I still pick Singh. Choosing between Singh and any other of the NDP leadership candidates of the day I still pick Singh. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Singh has begun to say stuff, but he has to say MORE-and completely differentiating the NDP from the Libs and Cons on Venezuela is crucial.

It isn't about whether or not the party likes Maduro-it's that the ONLY valid Left position is that the U.S. and Canada have no right to intervene and impose the will of the Yanqui on any country in the Americas-this goes for Africa and Asia, too, but the Americas are singular in that the U.S., through the "Monroe Doctrine", has asserted its right to treat the rest of the Americas as its colonial subjects, which means its economic subjects.  

Nothing in U.S. or Canadian policy towards Venezuela has ever been about sincere concern for the good of the Venezuelan people, and the intervention has never had anything to do with "democracy" or "human rights"-things all of us support in one form or another.

It's just about crushing the poor and crushing the emergence of any alternative to the status quo.  And there cannot even be a "center-left" case for crushing the poor and entrenching austerity capitalism as the only way to run life.

Pondering

I agree with everything you have said except that the NDP supports the current approach. They have not said so and they do not support any form of military involvement and do not want aid politicized. Short of saying rah rah Maduro I don't see what you expect him to say. 

Venezuela is not a critical portfolio for Singh to take a stand on. It won't win him votes.  Canadians are only vaguely aware of Venezuela. Nothing he says is going to change anything. Given that Guy Caron issued the statement it seems like this was a joint decision by the party seniors. 

I know you want the NDP to be more radical but not everyone agrees with that even within the membership. 

Unionist

Pondering wrote:

 Short of saying rah rah Maduro I don't see what you expect him to say. 

I know it won't make much difference, but I'll try to spell it out more simply.

The NDP should say: "Canada opposes any interference of any kind whatsoever in the internal affairs of Venezuela."

How are we doing?

That means, Canada doesn't try to impose aid on Venezuela. Canada tells the Lima Group to fuck off and die. Canada does not say "rah rah Maduro". Canada does not tell Venezuela to have "free and fair elections". Canada continues to deal with the recognized government of Venezuela - you know, the one that has an embassy here and a seat in the U.N. - until further notice.

None of the above is to be found in the pandering Trump-sucking statements of the NDP, especially not Caron's virtual declaration of "non-military" war.

How are we doing? 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Pondering wrote:

Venezuela is not a critical portfolio for Singh to take a stand on. It won't win him votes.  Canadians are only vaguely aware of Venezuela. Nothing he says is going to change anything. Given that Guy Caron issued the statement it seems like this was a joint decision by the party seniors.

If it makes no difference in votes then why does the party not take the only honourable stand and insist this is a problem for Venezuelans to solve. They criticized a foreign governments actions on cue with the imperial propaganda; "politicizing judicial systems, the reversal of democratically-made decisions and the deterioration of human rights." The NDP statement is an affront to the people of Venezuela. Who the fuck does the NDP think they are to preach to another country and what are they using as justification for these claims?

Imagine if the federal NDP dared to say that they strongly deplored a decision of the NAQ involving its internal rules of procedure and were concerned with the politicizing of judicial systems and the reversal of democratically-made decisions because it changed its rules. Does the NDP now believe that parliament can no longer reverse its own decisions or that a sovereign legislative body's procedures are set in stone and it is wrong for that elected body to change them?

The NDP strongly deplores the Venezuelan constituent assembly’s decision to remove parliamentary immunity for Juan Guaido.

New Democrats are deeply concerned about politicizing judicial systems, the reversal of democratically-made decisions and the deterioration of human rights.

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

If it makes no difference in votes then why does the party not take the only honourable stand and insist this is a problem for Venezuelans to solve.

Important point: many times the left loses to the right and we can say that the left message is complicated and the right simple.

This is a simple, easily-understood statement.

There are no excuses here.

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