I never understood why Canada was so quick to do US' bidding on the etradition request.
Detention of Meng Wanzhou - CFO of Huawei
Tue, 2019-06-25 20:13
#802
laine lowe
Tue, 2019-06-25 20:36
#803
I never understood why Canada was so quick to do US' bidding on the etradition request.
Chrystia Freeland.
Tue, 2019-06-25 20:38
#804
laine lowe
I do dislike her immensely. I so disagree with Canada's current treatment of Venezuela and many of the other neo-right foreign policies she has ushered through or maintained from the Harper era.
Tue, 2019-06-25 20:46
#805
I do dislike her immensely. I so disagree with Canada's current treatment of Venezuela and many of the other neo-right foreign policies she has ushered through or maintained from the Harper era.
I have never blamed her for having a Nazi grandfather. I do blame her for: 1) spending decades denying it, and painting him as a "political exile" and champion of "Ukrainian independence". 2) Following in his footsteps in opposing the liberation struggles of the people of the world. She seriously needs her sorry ass dragged in front of a war crimes tribunal. Likewise with her slavish admirer, Justin Trudeau.
Wed, 2019-06-26 22:00
#806
China considering halting all meat products from Canada over fake veterinary health certificates
China is considering halting all meat imports from Canada starting Wednesday after the Canadian Food Inspection Agency notified China that it had discovered a number of inauthentic veterinary health certificates in some meat products bound for China, according to a government official.
Thu, 2019-06-27 01:21
#807
Losing Canada's second largest trading partner is yet another downside of electing a government that can't say no to Warshington. On the bright side none of the other possibile choices available to Canuckleheads probably would either.
Thu, 2019-06-27 12:21
#808
Uh, we are between the US and China, rock and a hard place. Between the two we are far more dependent on the US. The US was probably happy to let us keep their draft dodgers. Trump would have had a fit if we refuse to even go to court on Meng. Letting the process play out in the courts is the right course of action.
Thu, 2019-06-27 13:23
#809
China Urges Canada to 'Take Concerns Seriously' And Release Meng Wanzhou
https://globalnews.ca/news/5432507/china-renews-demands-canada-wanzhou/
"China renewed a demand that Canada release a top executive of tech giant Huawei a day after announcing a suspension of all imports of Canadian meat products in China..."
What is Ractopamine, the Drug at the Centre of the China-Canada Meat Dispute?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/what-is-ractopamine-the-drug-at-the-centre...
"...Ractopamine is not permitted in the European Union, Taiwan and Russia. The EU banned the drug citing 'weaknesses in data.' Health Canada says there is no evidence that the drug is unsafe for consumers. The US has adopted the same stance. But China disagrees and believes ractopamine and other drugs in the beta-agonist family are unsafe. Some reports suggest that the drugs can have an effect on the cardiovascular system.
Chinese officials have publicly maintained that the actions the country has taken against Canadian canola and meat are not connected to May's arrest in any way."
Thu, 2019-06-27 13:54
#810
Uh, we are between the US and China, rock and a hard place. Between the two we are far more dependent on the US. The US was probably happy to let us keep their draft dodgers. Trump would have had a fit if we refuse to even go to court on Meng. Letting the process play out in the courts is the right course of action.
The charges against her would be considered a joke in Canada - misleading U.S. bankers 6 years ago via a PowerPoint presentation into believing that Huawei had divested from a company which was doing business with Iran. That's the charge. Seriously.
I also disagree that Canada should be guided in this matter by "whom do we need more as an ally/trading partner?"
I do believe in the "rule of law". Even though it seems odd that "the law" in this case amounts to a bilateral treaty to which China isn't even a party.
The Canadian government is bound by the Extradition Act. Section 23(3) provides as follows:
Withdrawal of the authority to proceed
(3) The Minister may at any time withdraw the authority to proceed and, if the Minister does so, the court shall discharge the person and set aside any order made respecting their judicial interim release or detention.
The Minister in question (who is the Minister of Justice) should act, immediately, in accordance with that section and order Meng to be released and all proceedings halted. A profuse apology by the Prime Minister would also be in order, but that's up to him.
That's what the "rule of law" means.
Thu, 2019-06-27 14:52
#811
The Chinese have a case for banning our meat since it seems some of the product was being exported with fake certificates saying it was Ractopamine free. The rule of law in Canada seems to include a certification system that is either corrupt or easily circumvented. This article is full of great facts about the drug and the meat industry. If the same product had been sent into Europe and discovered it would have led to action against the companies involved. Before China did a blanket ban they banned a couple of producers for exporting pork to China that was contaminated with Ractopamine.
So why does China have a beef with our meat?
According to Chinese officials, Chinese customs authorities discovered residue of the additive ractopamine in a batch of pork products exported from Canada to China, which has banned the substance.
When Chinese authorities advised Canada of the finding on June 14, it raised a red flag for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), which asked to review the export certificate.
Agriculture Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau says the RCMP has been called in to investigate the origins of a pork shipment to China that arrived with a fake Canadian export certificate. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)
Upon examination, CFIA inspectors confirmed the certificate was inauthentic.
Canada’s Agriculture Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau told CBC News that the suspect pork shipments and certificates are unlikely Canadian, but were being misrepresented as such. She also said the RCMP and Canada Border Services Agency are both now investigating.
https://easternontarionetwork.com/2019/06/27/why-china-has-a-beef-with-c...
Thu, 2019-06-27 16:20
#812
Uh, we are between the US and China, rock and a hard place. Between the two we are far more dependent on the US. The US was probably happy to let us keep their draft dodgers. Trump would have had a fit if we refuse to even go to court on Meng. Letting the process play out in the courts is the right course of action.
The charges against her would be considered a joke in Canada - misleading U.S. bankers 6 years ago via a PowerPoint presentation into believing that Huawei had divested from a company which was doing business with Iran. That's the charge. Seriously.
I also disagree that Canada should be guided in this matter by "whom do we need more as an ally/trading partner?"
I do believe in the "rule of law". Even though it seems odd that "the law" in this case amounts to a bilateral treaty to which China isn't even a party.
The Canadian government is bound by the Extradition Act. Section 23(3) provides as follows:
Withdrawal of the authority to proceed
(3) The Minister may at any time withdraw the authority to proceed and, if the Minister does so, the court shall discharge the person and set aside any order made respecting their judicial interim release or detention.
The Minister in question (who is the Minister of Justice) should act, immediately, in accordance with that section and order Meng to be released and all proceedings halted. A profuse apology by the Prime Minister would also be in order, but that's up to him.
That's what the "rule of law" means.
"May" not "must" meaning it is fine to allow the courts to decide. If you are correct the courts will release her and Canada will respect the decision. That too is the rule of law.
Were Trudeau to intervene it would be politically motivated and so is not interfering.
Fri, 2019-06-28 18:42
#813
"May" not "must" meaning it is fine to allow the courts to decide.
Yes, thanks, I'm capable of reading. David Lametti may release her or he may not. My suggestion is that he withdraw all the proceedings and release her. Acting as rent-a-cop for Donald Trump when she was changing flights at Vancouver airport was a scandalous act, thinly dressed up as the "rule of law".
If you are correct the courts will release her and Canada will respect the decision. That too is the rule of law.
I have no idea what the courts will do. I never said I was "correct". I stated my opinion as to how a civilized nation should act (hint: not the way we acted). And even if the courts find in her favour, she will remain detained (on bail or not) for years. That is scandalous and uncivilized.
Were Trudeau to intervene it would be politically motivated and so is not interfering.
The decision is up to David Lametti. Read the Extradition Act, please.
Wed, 2019-07-03 13:33
#814
China Warns Canada Not To Be 'Naive' in Thinking Allies Can Help Fix Issues [Especially the one that put you there]
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-canada-trump-naive-1.5198249
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters Tuesday that he was 'confident' US President Donald Trump brought up the case of the two detained Canadians during talks with China's Xi Jinping. Trump said on Saturday he did not talk with Xi about the extradition case..."
Oh well. At least he wears interesting socks.
Wed, 2019-07-03 19:59
#815
Thanks for the link NDPP!
Justin appears very uncomfortable in the role as PM. He’s only good for taking pictures in staged photo opps. Actual intellect diplomacy and sincere desire at statesmanship are all beyond his grasp.
I can’t see this guy getting re-elected pm?
Thu, 2019-07-04 01:20
#816
'The Trudeau Government Will Do Anything To Keep Donald Trump Happy
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/alberta-diary/2019/06/trudeau-government...
"From the sublime to the ridiculous, it would appear Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government will do anything to keep Donald Trump sweet...we're now at the point we try to anticipate his every likely whim in advance, the better to preserve the USMCA, the NAFTA, or whatever our corporate rights agreement with the US is called this week. This is just pathetic...
Meng of course is the executive for Chinese electronics giant and alleged security threat Huawei who we've been obediently holding captive since last year because the Trump administration wants to use her as a bargaining chip in its ongoing trade war with China. Oh no, it's all about the rule of law, our treaties with the US and the fact Huawei was selling electronic widgets to Iran you say?
Please! The previous paragraph is an accurate summary of the explanation given by President Trump himself of the US demand we extradite Meng to a kangaroo trial and a predetermined prison sentence, followed by, perhaps, repatriation in the event the Chinese fully knuckle under to the art of the deal. You can believe the pious pish-posh about treaty obligations if you like, but you have to agree that Meng's lawyers were onto something when they wrote Justice Minister David Lametti on Monday arguing the case against her is 'palpably' political..."
Fri, 2019-07-05 17:45
#817
"May" not "must" meaning it is fine to allow the courts to decide.
Yes, thanks, I'm capable of reading. David Lametti may release her or he may not. My suggestion is that he withdraw all the proceedings and release her. Acting as rent-a-cop for Donald Trump when she was changing flights at Vancouver airport was a scandalous act, thinly dressed up as the "rule of law".
If you are correct the courts will release her and Canada will respect the decision. That too is the rule of law.
I have no idea what the courts will do. I never said I was "correct". I stated my opinion as to how a civilized nation should act (hint: not the way we acted). And even if the courts find in her favour, she will remain detained (on bail or not) for years. That is scandalous and uncivilized.
Were Trudeau to intervene it would be politically motivated and so is not interfering.
The decision is up to David Lametti. Read the Extradition Act, please.
Quite right, Unionist.
The "Rule of Law" does not even exist in some pristine vacuum of impartial fairness when nation states interests are involved.
Law is the handmaiden of state politics and it's application is codified as such.
Thomas Walkin, one of the last of the decent writers for the Toronto Star, put it thus:
Throughout, the Trudeau government’s position has been that it is merely following the rule of law. But Canada’s extradition law allows the government great discretion.
While the law requires a judicial hearing to consider any extradition request, it leaves the final decision on that request to the federal justice minister. Even if a judge rules the extradition request acceptable, the minister can legally [note: "legally" entails the "Rule of Law"] overturn the decision.
The law is written this way in recognition of the fact that foreign relations, including extradition requests, are ultimately part of the political domain.
In short, when the Trudeau government cites adherence to the rule of law as justification for not involving itself in the Meng case, it is not being entirely accurate. The law specifically allows political involvement. The Chinese understand this, which is why they are so irked. The only Canadian government official who seemed to understand this was former ambassador to China John McCallum. He was fired for his troubles.
All of this could have been handled differently. Trudeau says he was notified ahead of Meng’s arrest that she would be detained while changing planes at Vancouver airport. His government could have legally intervened at that point and nipped the crisis in the bud.
Who knows how the U.S. would have reacted then?...
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2019/06/27/too-late-for-...
Fri, 2019-07-05 19:09
#818
I agree with Unionist and contrarianna. This extadition request smelled extremely political from the start, and could have been refused immediately on that ground. Although if I were PM (a bizarre thought) I would have pretended we incompetently failed to make the arrest. Only days later, Trump confirmed the political nature of the arrest, saying that he might intervene in the case if China gave him what he wanted on trade. At that point it would have been legally impeccable for Canada to release Meng. The fact that we didn't is very embarrassing.
Fri, 2019-07-05 19:49
#819
I agree with Unionist and contrarianna. This extadition request smelled extremely political from the start, and could have been refused immediately on that ground. Although if I were PM (a bizarre thought) I would have pretended we incompetently failed to make the arrest. Only days later, Trump confirmed the political nature of the arrest, saying that he might intervene in the case if China gave him what he wanted on trade. At that point it would have been legally impeccable for Canada to release Meng. The fact that we didn't is very embarrassing.
This nails it including the idea of just saying we screwed up. The best thing diplomatically would have been to have someone with connections warn her before she boarded the flight.
Fri, 2019-07-05 20:07
#820
This nails it including the idea of just saying we screwed up. The best thing diplomatically would have been to have someone with connections warn her before she boarded the flight.
That would have been even better. Make it a story that never happened.
Fri, 2019-07-05 20:41
#821
laine lowe
Not to rub salt in the wound, but where was Jody Wilson-Raybould's input in these events?
Tue, 2019-07-09 09:41
#822
US vs China: Smartphone Wars
https://journal-neo.org/2019/07/05/us-vs-china-smartphone-wars/
"If Washington's goal was to pressure and isolate China by targeting smartphone giant Huawei, it seems to have accomplished the exact opposite. In the process, the US has only accomplished in exposing its own growing weakness and unreliability as a trade partner and a much wider, misguided and mismanaged 'trade war'.
In efforts to isolate China, the US may be succeeding in only isolating itself. Other nations needed little imagination to realise that if the US could target Chinese companies simply for outcompeting American corporations, they could easily find themselves next..."
Tue, 2019-07-09 10:16
#823
Not to rub salt in the wound, but where was Jody Wilson-Raybould's input in these events?
She strongly upholds the rule of law. In this case, that meant arresting Meng at the behest of the U.S., and not using her statutory power under the Extradition Act to say, "let her change planes and carry on with her life".
Thus saving Trump and his minions from having to do the usual, viz. kidnap Meng and incarcerate her in Guantanamo.
Wed, 2019-07-24 14:29
#824
Huawei Says New 4G Internet Plan in Canada's North Approved by Feds (and vid)
https://globalnews.ca/news/5668204/huawei-says-new-4g-internet-plan-in-c...
"...Huawei said it would partner ICE Wireless and Iristel to provide high-speed internet to 20 communities in the Arctic and 70 in rural and remote areas of Quebec by 2025, potentially reaching some 200,000 people living in these areas. No financial details were provided. Velshi said the new project was approved under the federal Security Review Program, which is designed to protect critical infrastructure.
Velshi said the characterization of the company's Canadian offices as 'Dr Evil's lair', where they are 'toiling away at the latest world-ending scheme' is false. Instead the offices are filled with a bunch of engineers solving engineering problems', he said..."
Wed, 2019-07-24 18:03
#825
I'm going to speculate that Meng is going to walk. Maybe not before being sent to the US? But she won't be convicted of any bolony charges that the US levy against her in relation to the US illegal trade embargos on any country.
I can't see China idly standing by at the mercy of political lightweights such as Trump and Justin. Or any British clown.
In fact, I think that her release is already in the works.
This isn't about alleged fraud. This is about imposing illegal trade embargos on any country that doesn't bend to the will of US imperialism!
China holds all the cards
https://www.eurasiareview.com/22062019-digging-deeper-rare-earth-metals-...
Thu, 2019-07-25 06:16
#826
Curious that although supposedly plotting nefariously to sabotage Canadian communications on behalf of China, Huawei is nonetheless to be permitted to extensively wire up the north. Obviously the American companies or other cyber big boys are either not interested, capable or qualified, but will nonetheless take all the massive 5G contracts/business on 'national security' grounds, when the time comes. What a farce.
Thu, 2019-07-25 20:39
#827
@NDPP
I suspect China has already played out some big cards (rare Earth metals for one) and the US Canada Britain Japan etc etc have surrendered.
The western ICM is totally hush and will just move on like as if none of the latest chapter in the demonization of China has ever happened. Those with short attention spans will continue to patronize the ICM.
Thu, 2019-07-25 20:45
#828
We shall see...
Tue, 2019-07-30 02:03
#829
Justin Trudeau Denies PMO Pressured Former Diplomat Over China Statements
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-david-mulroney-china-diplomat-1...
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said today his office did not pressure a former Canadian ambassador to avoid recommending that Canadians cease non-essential travel to China. The Globe and Mail reported last week that former Canadian ambassador to China David Mulroney said he had been instructed by an official with Global Affairs Canada to clear any comments on Canada's policy with the department beforehand. The official reportedly cited the 'election environment' and said they were passing on a request from the PMO.
Rob Oliphant, parliamentary secretary to Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, said Thursday that neither she nor the PMO had pressured the former diplomats over their comments on Canada's China policy. Diplomacy and trade relations with China have deteriorated rapidly since Canada began extradition proceedings against Meng Wanzhou, a top executive with the Chinese telecommunications firm Huawei..."
And clearly still are deteriorating and for much the same reasons as previously - clumsy and reckless hands on the tiller of Canadian foreign policy - both Freeland's and Trudeau's. Which is lying I wonder? Perhaps if they stopped taking instructions from the likes of Trump, Pompeo or Bolton, things might improve.
Tue, 2019-07-30 09:58
#830
There are no good multinational corporations. Whomever puts in the 5G network will be using it to spy. I couldn't care less which multi-billionaire is being unfair to the other multi-billionaires. The US military exists to protect US economic dominance.
Thu, 2019-08-22 21:31
#831
National Sovereignty At Stake After Huawei CFO Arrest
"The arrest of Meng Wanzhou in Canada was the catalyst for the US-Huawei feud. Her lawyers alleged on Thursday that she was unlawfully detained and questioned by Canadian agents who were working for the American FBI..."
Meng Wanzhou Claims 'Covert Criminal Investigation' By Canadian, US Authorities (and vid)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/meng-wanzhou-disclosure-...
"Lawyer for Meng Wanzhou claims she was the target of a 'covert criminal investigation' designed by Canada and US authorities to illegally detain and search the Huawei executive when she landed in December 2018. Meng's lawyers claim notes included in documents suggest RCMP originally planned to arrest Meng on the plane, but decided to have the Canadian Border Services Agency detain her instead in order to collect evidence at the direction of the Canadian Department of Justice and the US FBI.
The defence claims Meng's Charter rights were violated and that the Canadian judicial process is being abused in order to further the economic and political interests of the US as it fights a trade war with China. May's defence team previously suggested that Canada should not do the bidding of the US, pointing to US President Donald Trump's assertion that he might intervene in the case if he could secure a trade deal..."
I predict this dirty conspiracy and continuing collaboration of Canada with US authorities will also ultimately prevail in the BC court decision. Despite the grotesque abuse of process and violation of Meng's charter rights etc, the stitch-up will go as planned and the Huawei hostage will indeed be turned over to American authorities. Unfortunately too, the ginned up animus and xenophobia of Canadians crazed by the msm propaganda offensive on Hong Kong and China will blind them also to the manifest unjustness of this outrageous case and serve to manufacture Canadian consent for just such an obviously pre-determined outcome.
Mon, 2019-09-23 22:07
#832
Huawei CFO Lawyers Accuse Trump of Trade War Games
"Canadian lawyers claim that President Trump is using Huawei's CFO Meng Wanshou as a bargaining chip in the ongoing trade-war between the US and China. Meng Wanzhou returned to court on Monday after being under house arrest in Canada. Attorneys will argue for access to documents they believe may hold the key to her release."
Meng Wanzhou Lawyers Paint Picture of 'Coordinated' Effort to Seize Devices Before Arrest
"As Meng's extradition hearing proceedings resumed this week, defence lawyer Richard Peck formally applied for disclosure of documents and information surrounding the YVR detention, since it violated Charter rights and 'gave the CBSA the opportunity to interrorgate' Meng under the pretext of an admission process to Canada..."
Sun, 2019-10-06 14:08
#833
RCMP Gave FBI Serial Numbers, Other Details About Meng Wanzhou's Phones, Defense Claims
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/10/03/rcmp-gave-fbi-serial-number...
"A lawyer for Huawei Technologies executive Meng Wanzhou says the RCMP allegedly passed on serial numbers and other crucial details of her electronic devices to the Federal Bureau of Investigation..."
Canada always ready to play America's dirty little helper.
Mon, 2019-10-07 00:06
#834
radiorahim
She strongly upholds the rule of law. In this case, that meant arresting Meng at the behest of the U.S., and not using her statutory power under the Extradition Act to say, "let her change planes and carry on with her life".
Thus saving Trump and his minions from having to do the usual, viz. kidnap Meng and incarcerate her in Guantanamo.
The simplest thing the Canadian government could have done to avoid this situation was to just be a little bit incompetent and "misplace" the extradition paperwork for a couple of days. Meng could have passed through Vancouver and headed off to Mexico. This whole diplomatic mess could have been avoided.
Mon, 2019-10-07 11:07
#835
She strongly upholds the rule of law. In this case, that meant arresting Meng at the behest of the U.S., and not using her statutory power under the Extradition Act to say, "let her change planes and carry on with her life".
Thus saving Trump and his minions from having to do the usual, viz. kidnap Meng and incarcerate her in Guantanamo.
The simplest thing the Canadian government could have done to avoid this situation was to just be a little bit incompetent and "misplace" the extradition paperwork for a couple of days. Meng could have passed through Vancouver and headed off to Mexico. This whole diplomatic mess could have been avoided.
Yes, but Freeland is not primarily motivated by avoiding diplomatic messes. Following in her grandfather's footsteps, she is an over-eager servant of the leading aggressor against the nations of the world - whether the issue is China, or Venezuela, or Ukraine, or Syria, or Saudi Arabia, or Israel/Palestine, or NATO, or Russia, or Cuba... She is single-handedly destroying the few tiny bits of decency in Canadian foreign policy of the past - and they were tiny indeed. I still fear that she is the leading contender for Trudeau's position, should he falter and fail any more.
Mon, 2019-10-07 13:26
#836
radiorahim
Yes, but Freeland is not primarily motivated by avoiding diplomatic messes. Following in her grandfather's footsteps, she is an over-eager servant of the leading aggressor against the nations of the world - whether the issue is China, or Venezuela, or Ukraine, or Syria, or Saudi Arabia, or Israel/Palestine, or NATO, or Russia, or Cuba... She is single-handedly destroying the few tiny bits of decency in Canadian foreign policy of the past - and they were tiny indeed. I still fear that she is the leading contender for Trudeau's position, should he falter and fail any more.
I quite agree. Freeland has been the architect of an extremely right-wing cold war foreign policy, actually managing to be just as bad or worse than Harper.
Mon, 2019-10-07 15:26
#837
She strongly upholds the rule of law. In this case, that meant arresting Meng at the behest of the U.S., and not using her statutory power under the Extradition Act to say, "let her change planes and carry on with her life".
Thus saving Trump and his minions from having to do the usual, viz. kidnap Meng and incarcerate her in Guantanamo.
The simplest thing the Canadian government could have done to avoid this situation was to just be a little bit incompetent and "misplace" the extradition paperwork for a couple of days. Meng could have passed through Vancouver and headed off to Mexico. This whole diplomatic mess could have been avoided.
Interesting. Of course such interference leaves tracks that could be dangerous. Perhaps it would have been better for the government to call it out as political and have just let her pass through. The US would have been angry but this crisis would have been avoided and the US has little argument to make given its statements. I think hindsight is much clearer though and the government was trying to bet on the least blowback and got it seriously wrong. I suspect there are a few Canadians wishing they had played this differently.
Mon, 2019-10-07 16:05
#838
Sean - what "interference"? What "tracks that could be dangerous"? Under the law, the Minister of Justice can withdraw all proceedings against Meng today, and then she's free to go home. I pointed this out much earlier in the thread:
The Canadian government is bound by the Extradition Act. Section 23(3) provides as follows:
Quote:
Withdrawal of the authority to proceed
(3) The Minister may at any time withdraw the authority to proceed and, if the Minister does so, the court shall discharge the person and set aside any order made respecting their judicial interim release or detention.
Lametti doesn't even have to provide a reason. Just let her go. That's the rule of law. Mind you, I haven't seen a single report in the MSM that points out this simple verifiable fact.
Just. Let. Her. Go.
Mon, 2019-10-07 16:07
#839
Subservience to American power and propaganda narratives has become an automatic response by Ottawa and even more disturbingly, seemingly now acceptable to far too many Canadian 'progressives' who use it to explain away and rationalize all manner of capitulations and sellouts. Canada badly needs to re-learn how to say no to America on this shameful imperial kidnapping and many other issues as well.
Mon, 2019-10-07 16:16
#840
Sean - what "interference"? What "tracks that could be dangerous"? Under the law, the Minister of Justice can withdraw all proceedings against Meng today, and then she's free to go home. I pointed this out much earlier in the thread:
The Canadian government is bound by the Extradition Act. Section 23(3) provides as follows:
Quote:
Withdrawal of the authority to proceed
(3) The Minister may at any time withdraw the authority to proceed and, if the Minister does so, the court shall discharge the person and set aside any order made respecting their judicial interim release or detention.
Lametti doesn't even have to provide a reason. Just let her go. That's the rule of law. Mind you, I haven't seen a single report in the MSM that points out this simple verifiable fact.
Just. Let. Her. Go.
It would have been interference to lose the file and not admit the reasons for doing so. It would be unfair to non-political people to blame incompetence. government workers in the Justice Department do not deserve that kind of interference.
It would have been better to call it what it is a political prosecution -- and let her go honestly for the reason we should be letting her go.
I agree the government could let her go but I do not agree that they should have played a game about it - losing the file etc.
When Trump said he would use her as a bargaining trip, Ottawa should have put her on a plane to China before the day ended. the government could have said clearly that other countries will not be allowed to use Canada's justice system for their politics. I would have respected the government for that and I think many in the US would have as well. Trump would have been angry but that makes no difference he screws those who kiss butt as well as those who don't.
I suspect most people here are in agreement about this anyway.
Mon, 2019-10-07 16:17
#841
Subservience to American power and propaganda narratives has become an automatic response by Ottawa and even more disturbingly, seemingly now acceptable to far too many Canadian 'progressives' who use it to explain away and rationalize all manner of capitulations and sellouts. Canada badly needs to re-learn how to say no to America on this shameful imperial kidnapping and many other issues as well.
Exactly - we don't need to pretend not to stand up to the US when we do.
We could have let her go for the reason that the warrant was bogus. No other excuse required.
Sun, 2019-11-24 19:50
#842
..needed a new cell a little while back..so bought a huawei as a political act.
Trump adviser issues dire warning to Canada
Donald Trump's national security adviser has issued a dire warning to Canada about Chinese telecom giant Huawei, saying Ottawa should reject the company's plan to deploy its 5G network because the technology would be used as a "Trojan horse" to undermine national security.
"When they get Huawei into Canada ... they're going to know every health record, every banking record, every social media post — they're going to know everything about every single Canadian," Robert O'Brien said at an international security conference in Halifax.
"What the Chinese are doing makes Facebook and Google look like child's play, as far as collecting information on folks."
He said the Chinese state could use data scraped from its 5G mobile network to "micro-target" Canadians with personalized texts aimed at undermining elections.
quote:
Canadian Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan later issued a statement saying the security of Canadians remains Ottawa's No. 1 priority.
"We have been extremely mindful in protecting our current 4G technology and the decisions that we make regarding 5G will make sure that these systems are as strong as our current system, if not stronger," Sajjan said.
"We have the appropriate process and regulations in place to protect our infrastructure and Canadians. We are going to take our time so that we can appropriately examine all potential threats."
At the Halifax conference, which has attracted delegates from 70 democratic countries, O'Brien wasn't the only U.S. official taking aim at Huawei.
Earlier in the day, Republican Senator James Risch, chairman of the Senate committee on foreign relations, told reporters that Canada should think twice before getting involved with a company that he said is little more than an arm of the Chinese Communist party.
"When any information goes to Huawei, the Chinese Communist party will have access to that information," said Risch, who is from Idaho.
"Is it worth it, to save a bit of money by buying a cheaper system? My conclusion is a resounding no. I would hope that the Canadian government would reach the same conclusion."
U.S. Senator Angus King from Maine, who sits on the Senate intelligence committee, said if Canada allows Huawei to deploy its network, "it would make it very difficult to have full intelligence sharing ... with a partner who has installed a direct line to Beijing.".....
Sun, 2019-11-24 19:58
#843
My wife needed a new phone and the Huawei she got is great, especially the Leica camera in it.
Sun, 2019-11-24 20:25
#844
..yes, good camera and very fast.
Wed, 2020-01-15 05:36
#845
Judge Turfs Media Request To Broadcast Meng Wanzhou Extradition Hearing
https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2020/01/13/judge-turfs-media-request-t...
"A consortium of 13 Canadian and international media outlets, including the Canadian Press, applied to use two discrete cameras to record portions of Meng Wanzhou's extradition hearing next week. The media's lawyer Daniel Coles argued that there is significant public interest in the case and that broadcasting proceedings would engage with with the very meaning of open and accessible justice in the modern era..."
The last thing this BC kangaroo court wants. 'Dismissed!'
Wed, 2020-01-15 17:13
#846
Judge Turfs Media Request To Broadcast Meng Wanzhou Extradition Hearing
https://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2020/01/13/judge-turfs-media-request-t...
"A consortium of 13 Canadian and international media outlets, including the Canadian Press, applied to use two discrete cameras to record portions of Meng Wanzhou's extradition hearing next week. The media's lawyer Daniel Coles argued that there is significant public interest in the case and that broadcasting proceedings would engage with with the very meaning of open and accessible justice in the modern era..."
The last thing this BC kangaroo court wants. 'Dismissed!'
Have you heard any opinion polling on this? I suspect the people of Canada are overwhelmingly against her being turned over the the Americans. The problem is of course that a majority supports extradition as I have seen polls to this effect. I think they see this as an abuse of this process and many support the idea that she was arrested as that is the process but they want a judge to toss the case and free her. The interest in the case is in part becuase Canadians see this process as the means to corrrect the abuse that the Trump Administration has made of Canada and of her. We do not like being in this fight either.
Fri, 2020-01-17 11:25
#847
Jean Chretien's Former Chief of Staff Calls For 'Prisoner Exchange' To Free Michael Kovrig, Spavor
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-jean-chretiens-former-c...
"A second political figure from the Jean Chretien era is urging Canada to swap Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou for two Canadians detained in China in a 'prisoner exchange'. Eddie Goldenberg, who served as chief of staff to Mr Chretien when he was prime minister, is calling on the Canadian government to conduct the trade. He has outlined his proposal in an article printed in the Globe and Mail. Last month, John Manley, who served as deputy prime minister under Mr Chretien also proposed the same solution.
Mr Goldenberg argues Beijing sees Ms Meng as a political prisoner. Canadians must realize this, he says, regardless of whether they agree with the Chinese government. 'Beijing believes Ms Meng is a hostage that Canada is holding for Mr Trump. They believe the extradition request is in no way motivated by alleged criminal behaviour, but instead has everything to do with what they see as the US economic cold war against China - and against Huawei in particular,' Mr Goldenberg writes. He argues President Donald Trump's December 2018 comments on being open to using the case as a bargaining chip in trade negotiations with China - demonstrated the political nature of the Meng extradition request.
'Whether we like it or not, the Canadian government argument that the Meng case is merely a matter of the extradition process in a criminal matter is not accepted in China. As a result, there is no circumstance under which China will agree to release the hostages unless Ms Meng comes home."
Like USMCA, the Meng case is another alarming indication just how much the Trudeau Liberals have deepened and extended Canadian subservience to Washington even in the face of grievous and irreparable harm to our own national economic and political interests. It makes even Liberal sellouts of an earlier era seem pale by comparison. Goldenberg's hostage-swap proposal is sound and obvious and should be implemented forthwith so that our own hostages can be returned and a critically damaged Canada-China relationship repaired.
Mon, 2020-01-20 12:32
#848
Unprecedented Meng Wanzhou Extradition Hearing Begins Monday With Wide Ranging Consequences
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-unprecedented-meng-wanzho...
"...Ever since the RCMP arrested Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou on Dec 1, 2018, Canada has been caught between two superpowers -- The United States, which requested Ms Meng's extradition, and China, which calls the request politically motivated. The Canadian Attorney-Genera's department will argue for extradition before Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes. The extradition proceedings, which could last years, are 'definitely a defining moment in the bilateral relationship with China,' Lynette Ong, a political-science professor and China expert at the University of Toronto, said in an interview. 'China has actually threatened further retaliation should Ms Meng be extradited to the United States.'
The first stage of court proceedings offers a potential way out, for Canada and Ms Meng. Its focus will be on a legal principle known as 'double criminality' - whether the offence Ms Meng is accused of in the US would be a crime if committed in Canada. The defence team, led by senior Vancouver lawyer Richard Peck, will argue that while the offence of fraud exists in both countries, in Ms Meng's case it pertains to an alleged violation of US sanctions against Iran. Canada dropped similar sanctions in 2016 after Iran signed an international agreement putting limits on its nuclear program and therefore Ms Meng could not have committed such a crime in this country.
The Attorney-General's department will argue that evasion of the sanctions is simply the context for the charges, but otherwise irrelevant, and therefore the crime exists in Canada. A decision from Associate Chief Justice Holmes is not expected this week. For Canada, extradition would mean that an already fraught relationship with China would almost certainly worsen. China has said it views the extradition request as part of a broader dispute over trade and security with the US. Ms Meng's father, Ren Zhengfei, the founder and CEO of Huawei, has said the extradition request is an attempt 'to crush Huawei and Meng Wanzhou was only used as a pawn..."
Mon, 2020-01-20 12:40
#849
Does anyone know who exactly in the government would have made the decision on what legal position the crown would take in this proceeding? I would imagine that it must be the A-G, the PM or the cabinet as a whole that decided to support the U.S. position in court. I think that is a serious mistake. They should have remained neutral, and left the decision up to the judge.
Mon, 2020-01-20 17:15
#850
Does anyone know who exactly in the government would have made the decision on what legal position the crown would take in this proceeding? I would imagine that it must be the A-G, the PM or the cabinet as a whole that decided to support the U.S. position in court. I think that is a serious mistake. They should have remained neutral, and left the decision up to the judge.
Ready Aye Ready
We have regressed as a sovereign nation by at least a century. Somewhere along the line it seems that the Statute of Westminster has been repealed and our national defense and foreign policy are once again ultimately decided in a foreign capital.
Tue, 2020-01-21 06:48
#851
Extradition Trial of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou Gets Underway in Vancouver
"...Critics of Canada's handling of the case - including the father of jailed WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange - have framed it as just another example of the US abusing the legal systems of foreign countries to target their geopolitical enemies. Indeed, Meng's case would seem to fit that profile. While US authorities have framed her arrest and charges as being simply about Iran sanctions and fraud, to consider this case as purely about business with Tehran would be to ignore the US government's massive pressure campaign against Huawei itself.
Canada is now faced with two unappealing options: anger China by caving to Washington's demands and extradite Meng over charges which look suspiciously political; or anger the US by keeping her in Canada and try to work out an exchange deal with Beijing that would see its own citizens brought home."