India

Instead of starting a new thread I went back into the archives to resurrect the first thread titled "India"

CCTV 4 in China is all over this but I'm under the impression western news outlets are silent(input required)

https://thediplomat.com/2017/12/india-launches-second-ballistic-missile-...

In China's news there's a claim that India is more agressive in establishing total control of the Indian ocean. This link sheds a little light on this

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/competition-indian-ocean

Not sure if other babblers are interested in this subject but I'll throw it out there?

Thanks for the link NDPP! I personally feel that not only babblers, but many people in the west underrate the importance of India and its relations with China Pakistan and other regional powers. 

I predict in another 5-10 years, Indo Pacific news stories will be much more common and covered in greater detail!

Arundhati Roy’s Latest Novel Takes on Fascism, Rising Hindu Nationalism in India & Abuses in Kashmir

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ARUNDHATI ROY: The Narmada dam, sorry, the dams that are built on this Narmada River. And, to me, that political understanding and education that I received from that movement, I see the bones of—the sacrificial bones of this uniquely Indian fascism really in the foundations of that dam, you know, really the idea that there is a community that is more entitled than another, the idea that you can take the water from a river valley, centralize it in a dam reservoir and then decide who should—who should get that water.

I mean, recently, now that the dam is built, now that everything that the anti-dam movement has said has come true, we had an incredible spectacle of: whatever little water there was in the reservoir, which should have been used for the farmers of Gujarat through the drought months, given what the dam said it was going to do, was released, in a rush, the day—just weeks before the Gujarat election. For what? For the prime minister to land a seaplane as an election spectacle. And today, that water is gone. And what little water there is in the canal is being protected by the police from farmers who need it. You know, this is fascism. It’s not just concentration camps, you know?

AMY GOODMAN: Which most people here really know almost nothing about.

ARUNDHATI ROY: Nothing about. I mean, just imagine the fact that just in the last few, two or three, years, a new technique of firing pellet guns into crowds has blinded completely or partially more than a thousand people. A thousand people, you know? But under the banner of this market-friendly democracy, no one’s going to talk about it. Under the banner of a democracy that buys huge amounts of weapons from France, from America, we are being courted. All those dark secrets are being swept under the carpet, because we are buying weapons from the West. And how will the West survive if we idiots don’t buy weapons?

So, I mean, 20 years of traveling, of seeing, of writing, but all those essays were always very urgent interventions in a situation that was closing down. There was something very urgent about the way they were written. But, simultaneously, there was all this kind of gathering in me—for example, the travels in Kashmir. I could not write about Kashmir. Nobody really can easily write about Kashmir in nonfiction, because what happens there is not just based on what evidence you can produce, you know, the terror that seeds the air, the terror of living in the most dense military occupation in the world, half a million soldiers, the complicated—

ARUNDHATI ROY: Well, look, you know, I have always found it remarkable—I mean, The God of Small Things was a political book. After it won the Booker Prize, people in India especially, but a lot of people, particularly in Kerala, you know, liked to think about it, because they wanted to claim me, but not the politics of the book, so let’s ignore the fact that it’s about the most brutal and ancient social hierarchy that any human society has produced, which is caste. Let’s not talk about that. It can be a book about children, or it can be a book very lyrically written, and so on.

Thanks for providing the link Josh!

This is real scary stuff! There's a hell of a lot of stars/planets lining up so to speak to create a very dangerous uprising in India. I wish these people all the best in improving conditions within their country and lots of peace!

Indian-controlled Kashmir was in lockdown Monday, with tens of thousands of new troops deployed into what is already one of the most militarized places in the world, as a number of prominent politicians were placed under house arrest and New Delhi announced contentious changes to the way the territory is administered.

A broad communications blackout left many people without access to the internet and phone services across the territory, with measures also in place to prevent public meetings.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-intl-hnk/index.html

Pakistan has expelled the Indian envoy on Wednesday as it downgraded diplomatic and suspended bilateral trade relations with India, according to media reports from both countries. 

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakistan-downgrades-diplomatic-relations-suspends-bilateral-trade-with-india-1.1565185668803

This is not the first time that the Hindu right, led by Modi, has unleashed mass suffering in pursuit of its vision of Hindutva, an India that is largely or even exclusively for the Hindus. In 2002, when Modi was chief minister of the western state of Gujarat, a pogrom against Muslims left nearly a thousand dead and turned many more into refugees. Since Modi’s tenure as prime minister began in 2014, and especially since being handed a second term in resounding fashion earlier this year, such violence has percolated through the entire nation, provoking lynchings, assassinations, rapes, beatings, imprisonments, and constant abuse on airwaves and social media by Modi’s cheerleaders.

https://newrepublic.com/article/154682/india-looming-ethno-nationalist-catastrophe

Footage From Kargil: Indian Occupation in Full Swing

https://twitter.com/maknosh7/status/1159811660896514049

I was much younger and naive when I travelled through Kashmir and Ledac, and other parts of India. I have no idea who was in government in India in 1990 but the Indian Army had Srinigar on curfew and the Indian Army was active throughout Kashmir - skirmishes with the Pakistani Army. You could see the fireworks of these assaults on villages at night and rubble the next day. Our hosts during our stay in Srinigar were huge fans of Bob Marley, who they regarded as a warrior for the downtrodden of the world. (I also think there was a lot of hash being smoked :-) )

I do hope the BJP is stopped from pursuing this purge of Kashimiri Muslims and the advance of their vision of Hindutva. The whole country was engulfed in violent protests, acts of self-immolation and arson related to Muslim and Hindu tensions and Hindu on Hindu tensions (protests against certain casts finally being granted greater access to post-secondary education).

More than four million people in India, mostly Muslims, are at risk of being declared foreign migrants as the government pushes a hard-line Hindu nationalist agenda that has challenged the country’s pluralist traditions and aims to redefine what it means to be Indian.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/17/world/asia/india-muslims-narendra-modi.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history

Christian West supporting Jihad against the Pagan East.

Nothing unusual to see here,

India's Annexation of Kashmir is Straight Out of the Israeli Playbook

https://t.co/QH0EDqNolx

"Revoking article 370 has turned India from administrator to fully fledged coloniser, following, in many ways, Israel's methods..."

Why India's Hindu Nationalists Worship Israel's Nation-State Model

https://t.co/Tjva40d8vw

"The bonhomie between Narendra Modi and Binyamin Netanyahu is rooted in the admiration of generations of Hindu nationalists for Israel..."

Native people defending themselves is racism bro.

jatt_1947 wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history

Christian West supporting Jihad against the Pagan East. Nothing unusual to see here,

Christians killing "pagans" en masse has indeed been a feature of history. But that article is about a holocaust against Hindus that has been carried out by Muslims, starting in the middle of the seventh century.

“From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of ‘a holy war’ of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races.”

And so on and so forth.

So, lemme guess. You were hoping that some other posters would come along and offer knee-jerk agreement with your anti-Christian rhetoric, then end up with egg on their face when someone else points out that the article is about Muslims killing Hindus.

Or maybe not. But I honestly can't think of another reason why you would post anti-Christian comments to back up an article that doesn't even mention Christianity once.

You're going to get a lot more than egg on your face for displaying your ignorance. The Hindus were surging against Islam and who came and put a stop to that? Who was a fan of Islam, helped give them a nation and even assisted in the genocide of Bengali Hindus in 1971? https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-co... https://www.rbth.com/articles/2011/12/20/1971_war_how_russia_sank_nixons...'s%20gunboat%20diplomacy&targetText=An%20Indian%20Army%20soldiers%20at,on%20Dec.%207%2C%201971.&targetText=Less%20well%20known%20is%20Russia's,British%2DAmerican%20attack%20on%20India. The other context is people are complaining when Aryas defend themselves. Did criticizing christian imperialism bother you this much? Do we need to discuss missionaries beating school children for celebrating Hindu festivals or paying orphans to step on idols or would you rather retreat gracefully?

If you wanna talk about Christians doing bad stuff to Hindus, including allying with Muslims against them, be my guest. I assure you I won't protest.

But the original article you posted had nothing to do with Christians, and was exclusively about Muslims doing bad things to Hindus, starting in the seventh century AD.  

Media Reports Allege 'Brutal Torture' By Security Forces in Kashmir

https://thewire.in/rights/media-reports-draw-light-to-brutal-torture-by-...

"Torture claims by Kashmiris directed at the Indian military and paramilitary are not new. Yet they appear to have renewed in intensity..."

Children as young as nine detained, protests and tear gas, allegations of torture, businesses shut and no mobiles or internet: it's now been two months of misery in the Kashmir Valley.

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/two-months-misery-indian-kashmir-100949803.html?__twitter_impression=true

Why aren't streets in Israel named after Hitler - Sean in Ottawa 2019

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

You've stooped to justifying Aurangzeb who executed the 9th Guru of the Sikhs, his two grandsons aged 6 & 9 and even had Kashmiri Brahmins sawn in half for refusing Islam.

This, from an Islamist site. https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/09/16/last-will-of-guru-gobind-and-emp...

 

You can read Timur, Babur, Khilji etc in their own words.

Timur bragged about taking down the Kafirs and enslaving their women.

Akbar considered himself a Ghazi for sending the Rajput infidels to hell.

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Your problem, and that of most whites is they hate that India did not convert en masse to western ideology like Africa did. The Turks hate us for the same reason.

We are to be told and not speak, seen but not heard.

That this thread continues, using obviously bias english language sources such as Al-Jazeera, to mock and decry any attempts at enforcing a taboo against advocating Hindu genocide should show you the real face of the west.

 

'Machine guns on the streets of India mow down thousands of poor women and children wherever your so-called flag of democracy and Christianity flies.' - Sardar Udham Singh

 

You're also displaying your euro-centric white supremacist worldview when you assume that a colonial name means only a european, white, christian one. :)

Stop telling people what their problem is. It makes the rest of your post unreadable and undesireable.

I justify nothing other than what I said: that the BJP project is not only to change colonial names but also to change other names.

These facts do not come with ideology or race or anything else. They are just facts. Facts I learned while living with an Indian person for a year who just happens not to be an apologist for the excesses of the BJP.

That is the point you made and the refutation you ignore by posting completely unrelevent material.

Wth are you talking about? In your sick and twisted mind is only British/Christian imperialism colonial and not muslim?

You are basically saying that you lived with one indian for one year and that this somehow makes you an expert on the topic?

Did you even read the links you posted, they were crying the erasure of Aurangzeb from our road infrastructure.

I educated you on the crimes of Aurangzeb and you called it irrelevant. I am not an apologist for the BJP nor do I believe they are engaging in excess.

In my personal opinion, they are not even Hindu or traditional.

Is the murder of children and the execution of Saints an irrelevant matter to you now?
Is speaking out about the crimes of Muslims in the subcontinent, which are celebrated or whitewashed by the likes of you now an offence?

https://twitter.com/MajorPoonia/status/1178990359877021697

You sit atop a white horse and preach to the brown man that in the name of Gandhi he shouldn't defend himself.

Yet, we are sons of Guru Gobind Singh.

If struck with a stone, strike back with a boulder.

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

I am offended that you do not act white, so hurry up and get to it.
Holi becomes Color Run Festival
Mithras Jayanti becomes Christmas
Diwali becomes Lights Festival

Bro just be more secular and let us absorb/genocide you man.
Be chill while we sell your women into slavery dawg!