Every day this ordeal continues Remain gains strength Keep it up
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Tue, 2019-09-10 00:53
#802
Tue, 2019-09-10 01:31
#803
'Better Educated People Voted To Remain' - Labour MP (and vid)
https://twitter.com/GrantMayos/status/1171118017180250113
"Again we see the evidence of the clear disconnect between this Labour Party and the working-class heartlands that they were formed to represent. Utterly shameless."
'Rebels Agreed [on] Extension With EU Leaders BEFORE Crunch Vote'!
https://twitter.com/labourleave/status/1170343843440549889
"Even former ambassadors are calling Remain's antics 'treachery'..."
'Honour Your Manifesto'
https://twitter.com/sueizzie/status/1170721028433203206
"Honour your manifesto and honour article 50, this states if we don't have a deal within 2 years of the vote we leave on wto rules. We have had enough of the game playing and lies, we want out without a deal now now now."
"The reality of 'no deal' is just cover to overturn leave. They want remain not a Corbyn Govt and work with EU federalists to achieve it. Anyone opposing a GE now is part of their reactionary attack on democracy and socialism, or has been totally conned by this."
Tue, 2019-09-10 02:47
#804
What's amazing is that despite the chaos engulfing the Conservative Party, with 2 previous PM's having to step down over the Brexit mess (Cameron & May) and now the huge disaster that Johnson is involved in, Corbyn still has low approval numbers and still can't overtake Johnson & the Cons in the polls.
Tue, 2019-09-10 03:19
#805
It's because he's been viciously slandered for the last four years-a slander led by the antidemocratic right wing of his own party-no one within the party with actual socialist or even "social democratic" principles and no one opposed to austerity has taken part in it-this has gone on even though the right wing of his party knows that the viciousness of the slanders and lies has doomed anyone they could possibly put in as leader in Corbyn's place to defeat, since no such person would have any right to even ask Corbyn's supporters for support, since it is clear the PLP won't accept anyone in the leadership other than a far-right defender of benefit cuts, low taxes for the rich and continued UK military intervention in the Arab/Muslim world.
Tue, 2019-09-10 05:57
#806
No Ken, it is because Corbyn is overwhelmingly regarded as an out of touch incompetent fool.
this may well be the media’s presentation of him but it resonates because it matches not just the public’s view but also reality.
it is quite charming how the Corbynistas blame everyone and everything for Corbyn’s unpopularity, except the real cause - the man himself.
Corbyn could not have damaged Labour’s chances any more if he were a CIA plant. Which may explain things, come to think of it.
Tue, 2019-09-10 10:52
#807
No Ken, it is because Corbyn is overwhelmingly regarded as an out of touch incompetent fool.
this may well be the media’s presentation of him but it resonates because it matches not just the public’s view but also reality.
it is quite charming how the Corbynistas blame everyone and everything for Corbyn’s unpopularity, except the real cause - the man himself.
Corbyn could not have damaged Labour’s chances any more if he were a CIA plant. Which may explain things, come to think of it.
Which presents the age old question, "Is nicky evil, stupid, or both?"
Tue, 2019-09-10 11:54
#808
Just because i might be evil or stupid diesnt mean i am not right about Corbyn
Tue, 2019-09-10 13:30
#809
Van Leyden's 'Fascist Rhetoric': 'Protecting Our European Way of Life'
https://twitter.com/EddieDempsey/status/1171396331413409793
"Europe A Nation. The seed is there in the fake flag, anthem and blue faced middle classes marching against democracy. The Empire needs a spurious European identity defined against those whom it will despose of resources and wealth to sustain and justify empire."
Cunningham: Europe's Full-Blown Stockholm Syndrome in Face of US Bullying
"...Under President Donald Trump, the Europeans are pushed around and hectored in a way that shows their true status as mere vassals to Washington. Last week, EU ambassadors voted to extend sanctions for another six months in spite of the fact that they have been substantially more harmful to Europe's economy than America's and in spite of the fact that German businesses in particular are opposed to the futile economic hostility towards Moscow. The lack of any European pushback to such blatant American interference in its supposed sovereignty and independence on matters of vital interest is simply astounding..."
Tue, 2019-09-10 13:35
#810
Just because i might be evil or stupid diesnt mean i am not right about Corbyn
Well, then, let's review the events that have shaped Corbyn's popularity, positively or negatively. First, it must be pointed out that when he entered the leadership race in early summer 2015, Corbyn was a fairly obscure long time back bencher. He was known and loved by left activists, whose rallies and protests he had been addressing for decades, but amongst the general public, he was largely unknown.
Even before he won the leadership, once it became clear that he had an excellent chance at winning, the smears began. He was an anti-semite, because he supported Palestinian rights. He was a Russian spy because he wanted to get rid of the useless but very expensive Trident missile system. And so on, with lie after smearing lie. In fact, I remember reading an article in August about the plans already being made by the PLP to get rid of Corbyn quickly, should he happen to win.
So, he won the leadership in a landslide, but the attacks didn't stop, they just became more intense. The entire press and political establishment of the U.K. used every lying dirty trick they could to destroy his reputation. Unsurprisingly, it worked, and his personal popularity steadily declined. After the Brexit referendum, the treacherous Labour MPs used the Leave victory as an excuse to vote no confidence in him, and he was forced to go through another leadership election, which he won by an even greater margin.
Still, the shitstorm of lies from all parts of the British establishment, but particularly the reactionary Blairite Labour MPs, did not abate. If anything it worsened, pushing Corbyn's popularity down even further. nicky wrote endless posts about how an election with Corbyn as leader would destroy the Labour Party.
Then PM May called an unexpected election in spring 2017, and everything changed. Voters got to see Corbyn for the first time directly, rather than through the shit coloured filter of the establishment. Not surprisingly, they liked what they saw. Both Labour and Corbyn personally rose immensely in popularity. By the end of the campaign, huge, enthusiastic, and young crowds at Corbyn rallies were chanting his name in the same way as they might the name of their favourite football players. Labour did unexpectedly well in the election, and would undoubtedly have formed a majority government had it not been for the effects of the years of slanderous lies by everyone who is anyone.
After the election there was a short period of more or less silence from the smear merchants. Licking their wounds, I suppose. But that didn't last long, and soon the anti-semitism smear was back in full force aided and abetted by the Israeli ministry of propaganda. Once again, Corbyn's numbers were pushed down, eventually to the dismal level they are now. Carpet bombing works.
I think it is quite likely that a similar sequence of events will happen during the next election campaign, probably this November. The voters will see Corbyn directly again, and his popularity will go back up. The result of the election could be anything, given current polls, but you can bet the farm that Labour will get a much larger vote share than their current polling level, and Corbyn will conduct an inspirational and successful campaign.
I am reminded of a recent incident regarding Bernie Sanders. Joe Rogan is an American standup comedian who now has a YouTube channel with over 6 million subscribers. He does extended interviews with a varied lot of people. Some are well known scientists, like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Sean Carroll. Some are entertainers, like Penn Jillette and Tommy Chong. Some are right-wing monsters like Stefan Molyneux and Sargon of Akkad (real name Carl Benjamin, an unsuccessful UKIP candidate in the recent European Parliament election.) All in all, they were mostly rightish people until recently, which has influenced the nature of his audience.
On August 6, he interviewed Bernie Sanders. There have been nearly 10M views since. There are 374K likes, as against 40K dislikes, and the 177K comments are overwhelmingly positive. I can't find it now, but one commenter noted that based on what he had seen in the media, he considered Sanders a crazy old man. After watching the Rogan interview, his opinion was turned upside down, and he became a supporter.
There are a lot of people like that responding to pollsters in Britain. They'll flip too, when they see that Corbyn is not crazy or hateful, but rather a thoughtful, compassionate person with political plans that make sense "for the many, not the few".
Tue, 2019-09-10 13:50
#811
Galloway on what comes next...
Brexit Party, Tories Teaming Up Will Win PM Seat
"The UK Parliament is formally suspended until mid-October. The Tory-run government remains deadlocked on how to proceed with a smooth Brexit as House of Commons Speaker John Bercow and numerous MPs resign. Former UK MP George Galloway weighs in."
Tue, 2019-09-10 17:16
#812
You can’t “reform” something when that something’s whole purpose would be undone by the “reform.” You can only do away with it. The whole purpose of the EU was to transnationalize neo-Liberal economic theory. Monetarism and austerity. If you think it can be transformed into a Keynesian experiment, much less socialism, you’re delusional.
Is that post supposedly replying to my precedng post? I would be grateful if you could point out in any of my posts that:
a) I claim that the present EU is reformable. (I had previously stated it was "probably unreformable").
b)that the issue of reformability of the present EU was ever part of my arguments against Brexit
I somehow expect people to dispute the statements I actually make, but in that I may indeed be naive and "delusional".
Tue, 2019-09-10 17:33
#813
Ihttps://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/jeremy-corbyn-with-labour-voters-1-6261466
Michael, corbyn has never had a good approval rating:
In fact he has a negative approval rating even amoung Labour boters who prefer the Lib Dem leader to him.
if you Corbynistas blame his unpopularity on everything except him them
Tue, 2019-09-10 17:36
#814
Just because i might be evil or stupid diesnt mean i am not right about Corbyn
It means you are not only wrong, but maliciously wrong and dishonestly wrong.
You lost all credibility and all claims to honesty and intergrity when you started parroting the despicable lies about Corbyn and antisemitism. Whatever else you might have felt about the man, there was no excuse in you joining that campaign of lies, smears and vilification.
If Corbyn was out of touch, he wouldn't have twice won the Labour leadership in a landslide. Why is it that those of you who refuse to let up on the man-even when you know that what you are doing only helps the Tories and cannot be of any benefit to Labour or those who support Labour and depend on it to defend them against economic oppression-cannot accept the reality that his election means that most Labour members and supporters wanted, and continue to want, a complete break with Blairism? That you can't accept that Labour is doomed to lose if it drives Corbyn's supporters away from the party? That nobody the PLP APPROVED of as leader, at this stage, could ever win the support of Corbyn's supporters or the trust of the vast majority of the party who still want Corbyn's policies to be the policies Labour fights elections on?
Why can you not accept that it could only be a dead end to put another bland, passionless, Iraq War-defending antisocialist in as leader, as the PLP is still trying to do?
Tue, 2019-09-10 17:39
#815
Ken, do you seriously think that my posts here in Canada help the Tories?
if anything helps the Tories it is the fact Corbhn is Labour leader. Without him the Tories wd be slaughtered. With him they are running 10 points ahead
Tue, 2019-09-10 17:43
#816
If Corbyn is deposed, no one under 40 will turn up at the polls. No one to Corbyn's right could possibly offer any policies that resonated with young voters. No centrist or pro-war policies ever do resonate with the young.
Labour can't win with only the votes of bitter, cynical, dismissive middle-aged antisocialists.
And no one who held the Labour leadership would have centered the unwinnable fight to get a second referendum passed by the current parliament, because all of them know that the votes aren't there and that there's no way to center the fight for the second referendum without losing every Labour vote in the North and Northeast of England to the Brexit Party.
There is nothing in the EU status quo that could possibly be more important than saving the NHS, restoring all the Tory cuts in benefits, raising those benefits to the levels they should be at and ending the barbaric benefits sanctions policies, nationalizing water, electricity and the rails, and restoring all the rights working people have been stripped of since 1979.
That's what someone who actually cared about the Labour Party and the people who vote for it would center.
Not a pointless arrangement with Europe that is almost entirely based on right-wing policy objectives.
Tue, 2019-09-10 19:50
#817
Ihttps://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/jeremy-corbyn-with-labour-voters-1-6261466
Michael, corbyn has never had a good approval rating:
In fact he has a negative approval rating even amoung Labour boters who prefer the Lib Dem leader to him.
if you Corbynistas blame his unpopularity on everything except him them
Well, nicky, it's a bit disappointing that after I went to all the trouble of posting a detailed argument about Corbyn's popularity problems, you didn't see fit to challenge a single fact I used in that argument. Instead, you post this weak-ass polling data without any actual response to my facts and reasoning. Now, I know your time is valuable. During the 2012 leadership race, you made posts which clearly indicated that you are a Toronto lawyer. So, it probably costs you $100 in billable time to answer me even briefly.
In this or some other thread, you suggested that someone called you a "shitty troll". That was me, but I actually referred to your posts as "shitty trolls", not you personally. After all, a non-troll can write a post which qualifies as a "shitty troll". Today, however, I am prepared to describe you unequivocally as a shitty troll.
Despite many requests, you have refused to address the issues Corbyn stands for and you stay strictly with attacks on him personally. It seems to me the obvious reason is that your rice bowl is pretty full right now, thanks to your neoliberal clients and colleagues. At cocktail parties, you're probably the token leftie, like Juan Williams on Fox News. But you really, really don't want to rock the boat that keeps you in a pretty comfortable situation.
The big question remaining is whether Running Dog, or Bought Priest is the better description for you.
Tue, 2019-09-10 19:47
#818
Ken writes:
“If Corbyn is deposed, no one under 40 will turn up at the polls. No one to Corbyn's right could possibly offer any policies that resonated with young voters. No centrist or pro-war policies ever do resonate with the young.”
what utter nonsense. Not a single young person would ever vote Labour?
Do you not appreciate how idiotic that statement is? Or that Corbyn has already alienated the youth over his incoherence on Europe.
Tue, 2019-09-10 20:30
#819
Ken writes:
“If Corbyn is deposed, no one under 40 will turn up at the polls. No one to Corbyn's right could possibly offer any policies that resonated with young voters. No centrist or pro-war policies ever do resonate with the young.”
what utter nonsense. Not a single young person would ever vote Labour?
Do you not appreciate how idiotic that statement is? Or that Corbyn has already alienated the youth over his incoherence on Europe.
The only reason Labour made gains in 2017 was that there was massive turnoug of young voters. Those young voters only turned out because, with Corbyn as leader, they had a say in what Labour stood for and the possible course of the UK, for the first time in their lives.
The youth of Britain want an anti-austerity party to vote for...want a party that makes university free or at least low-cost again, as only a left-wing Labour leader would do...want a peace party to vote for.
Nobody the PLP would approve of, and nobody you would advocate as a replacement for Corbyn, could possibly be capable of connecting with young voters, and young voters would not vote for Labour anymore if it went back to Blairite policies as you want it to go back to.
And it's been idiocy for reactionaries like yourself to put this relentless attempt to make Labour abandon all radicalism by embracing Remain, to agree to staying in an institution in which genuine Labour policies are impossible, in which humane, egalitarian values are impossible.
The reality is, all the EU has given Europe is the rise of the far-right. The far-right parties are ONLY rising because of the conditions caused by EU austerity. If the EU did not mandate austerity, especially in the former Warsaw Pact countries where there was no reason to mandate austerity, the far-right parties would never have arisen and UKIP would never have occurred in the UK.
But you don't care about that.
All you care about is putting Labour back under the total control of the PLP-the ONLY group in the entire party who want Labour to move back to the Third Way and back to Blair's militaristic foreign policies.
It goes without saying that any "Labour moderate" would treat the young with contempt.
Tue, 2019-09-10 21:57
#820
'Almost 50 Years Without A Say'
https://twitter.com/labourleave/status/1170282012042768385
"My entire life spent in the EEC/EU against my will. Almost 50 years without a say. Another three years. The basic agreement on which all democracy rests is ignored. The simple obvious principle that winning votes are enacted. I hear ten thousand lies, the whisper of angry serpents. More hellfire and damnation. Endless plots and schemes.
They will give me something that wasn't promised. They will give me a substitute, a fake, a turd they called a diamond. I don't want it. I just want the thing I voted for. I just want the thing I won.
They give new meanings to the words that matter. Democracy. Sovereignty. Freedom. All become their opposite. A coup they say. Trying to enact the vote is a coup. This is the final insult. All language is corrupted, all meaning there to be abused, twisted..."
'To Save the EU'
https://twitter.com/AlainGrangeret/status/1171553868976705536
"They are back together to save the EU Superstate project. 'La creme de la creme' of the two-parties democratic illusion."
Watson Survives Trigger Meeting
https://twitter.com/alberttrigg/status/1171543963431514113
"You do have to wonder about the current Labour membership. What with its pro status quo remain position and lack of socialist reform. It seems to me that it is packed with liberals who think they are socialists."
It seems this is a common and widespread phenomenon...
Wed, 2019-09-11 14:17
#821
Michael, I am very fond of dogs so "Running Dog" would be my prefered sobriquet among those you offer.
Wed, 2019-09-11 17:32
#822
Don't Trust Boris To Deliver Brexit
https://www.spikedonline.com/2019/09/11/dont-trust-boris-to-deliver-brexit/
"Given that parliament has voted to prevent a clean Brexit and given the prime minister's questionable ethics and motivations, it is almost certain that we are yet to witness the biggest betrayal of all. Parliament will blame the executive and the executive will blame the legislative. Both will be complicit and both will be guilty. "
Never fear neoliberalists/imperialists all the power relations are with you.
Wed, 2019-09-11 19:08
#823
"When we won the referendum against all expectations, I knew that the massed ranks of the British and EU establishments would do everything in their power to subvert democracy and stop the decision being implemented. That so much of the left has lined up with them is unforgivable."
Thu, 2019-09-12 03:20
#824
Deputy Leader of UK Labour to Demand Brexit Referendum Before Election
https://twitter.com/NeilClark66/status/1171665119308320769
"And so the goalposts move again. I warned this would happen. This would mean delaying an election for quite some time. A trap was laid for Corbyn last week - everyone was focusing on Johnson but not on the dangers of one being set for Corbyn from within his own party."
Thu, 2019-09-12 13:32
#825
I am reminded of a recent incident regarding Bernie Sanders. Joe Rogan is an American standup comedian who now has a YouTube channel with over 6 million subscribers. He does extended interviews with a varied lot of people. Some are well known scientists, like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Sean Carroll. Some are entertainers, like Penn Jillette and Tommy Chong. Some are right-wing monsters like Stefan Molyneux and Sargon of Akkad (real name Carl Benjamin, an unsuccessful UKIP candidate in the recent European Parliament election.) All in all, they were mostly rightish people until recently, which has influenced the nature of his audience.On August 6, he interviewed Bernie Sanders. There have been nearly 10M views since. There are 374K likes, as against 40K dislikes, and the 177K comments are overwhelmingly positive. I can't find it now, but one commenter noted that based on what he had seen in the media, he considered Sanders a crazy old man. After watching the Rogan interview, his opinion was turned upside down, and he became a supporter.
There are a lot of people like that responding to pollsters in Britain. They'll flip too, when they see that Corbyn is not crazy or hateful, but rather a thoughtful, compassionate person with political plans that make sense "for the many, not the few".
Here in Canada, Jack Layton was long derided by many as a used car salesmen. Once he shook off his handlers a bit and was free to be more himself in the 2011 campaign, people started liking him as they got to know him better.
Thu, 2019-09-12 16:02
#826
Yellowhammer Doc Merely 'Fear Tactic' Against Brexit - Galloway (and vid)
https://twitter.com/RT_America/status/1172212026283892752
"Worst-case scenario not likely to happen, part of the blizzard of Project Fear..."
Stop The Coup! (and vid)
https://twitter.com/GeoffNorcott/status/1171835525445107717
"Remainers say: 'We haven't had enough time!"
"Margaret Thatcher could have written the EU constitution. Austerity and privatisation are written into the constitution. It is a neoliberal document. If you support remain you're basically an unreconstructed Thatcherite posing as a liberal or socialist."
Sun, 2019-09-15 07:17
#827
Another Conservative defection to the Liberal Democrats the party that clearly opposes Brexit
Sun, 2019-09-15 07:23
#828
Sun, 2019-09-15 07:28
#829
Sun, 2019-09-15 07:43
#830
Britain's Ruling Classes Only Group To Vote To Stay in the EU at Referendum Major New Report Finds
"Britain's ruling classes were the only group who voted overwhelmingly to stay in the European Union, a new report has found..."
Brexit: This Rotten Parliament - The Spiked Podcast
"Parliament, legal challenges and No Deal. The week in Brexit."
The Impenetrable Mysteries at the Heart of Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit Stance
https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1172786926191022080
"Corbyn should reaffirm that Labour will accept the referendum decision and deliver Brexit. Taking this step would not only make political sense, it would allow Corbyn to stay true to what I believe are his own anti-EU instincts..."
He won't. Labour are now the foot-soldiers of the neoloiberal establishment/EU - The Party of the Few Not The Many.
Sun, 2019-09-15 13:12
#831
Britain's Ruling Classes Only Group To Vote To Stay in the EU at Referendum Major New Report Finds
....
Reporting Murdoch's Telegraph story as if it had some resemblance to the truth?
So Bojo is not part of the ruling elite?
So Murdoch is not part of the ruling elite?
Rupert Murdoch was once asked why he hated the EU so much. ‘That’s easy,’ he replied.’When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.’ [bold mine] No wonder, then, that he was an avid supporter of Brexit.
The reason why UK politicians find it so hard to resist Murdoch’s manipulation is simple: Murdoch controls well over 30% of the UK press, including the newspaper with the largest market share – the Sun. Murdoch’s 21st Century Fox also owns nearly 40% of Sky plc – the UK’s largest broadcaster in revenue terms – and is making strenuous efforts to gain full control of the company....
https://thebrexitsyndicate.com/2018/07/04/the-rupert-murdoch-empire/
As for the "independent report" of the Legatum Institute think tank, funded anonymously annually with 4 million pounds:
Role in Brexit
The think tank has been widely characterised as influential in the Brexit debate.[7][53] In July 2017, soon after the UK's EU referendum result, Legatum Institute formed the Special Trade Commission, headed by Shanker Singham (who backed remain in the run-up to the EU referendum) and included former New Zealand Ambassador and Permanent Representative to the World Trade Organization Crawford Falconer as a commissioner.[53] This group provided reports looking at the UK's future trade negotiations. The Special Trade Commission's work was seen by some commentators as pushing for a "hard Brexit",[54] a claim denied by the Institute, who said their role was to support the referendum result and took no public position in the lead-up to the EU referendum.[55]
The Institute proposed using unmanned aerial vehicles to patrol the Republic of Ireland – Northern Ireland border issue post-Brexit.[56] The solution, which by the report's own admission faced issues around cost and bad weather, was criticised[57] – the Daily Telegraph describing it as being "held up to ridicule".[58] The report proposed other potential measures including re-purposing the Special EU Programmes Body and creating a special economic zone, an idea also put forward by the Republic of Ireland's main opposition party.[56] Crawford Falconer left the Special Trade Commission to become the Chief Trade Negotiation Adviser and Second Permanent Secretary for the Department for International Trade in June 2016.[59] Shanker Singham left the institute in March 2018[60][61] to take his team to the Institute of Economic Affairs and Matthew Elliott left in May 2018.[62] In May 2018, the institute announced it would end its Brexit-related research.[63]
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:17
#832
Another Conservative defection to the Liberal Democrats the party that clearly opposes Brexit
1) The Liberal Democrats are no longer supporting a second referendum. Since a second referendum was the only way TO stop Brexit-it can't be stopped simply by Parliament itself-they are no longer trying to stop it.
2) Since the Liberal Democrats are now a right-wing party on the issues-they still defend their support of the Cameron government's imposition of tuition and fees on university students, a piece of legislation which has reduced education in the UK from a right for all to a privilege for the few-they cannot be considered in any sense different from the Tories.
3) Once again, every accusation made about Corbyn has been proved to be a lie. He never "supported the IRA", he never supported Hamas and Hezbollah-he simply used the language a diplomat would use towards entities that diplomat was trying to persuade to join negotiations-and not only has Corbyn never at any time tolerated antisemitism, and Labour overall has had no major incidents of antisemitism, but Corbyn's supporters are LESS likely to hold that prejudice than people in the UK overall.
Stop spamming the board with discredited canards and useless links just because somebody else tells you to, North. It's getting old.
Sun, 2019-09-15 15:05
#833
And as I've repeatedly demonstrated, Labour couldn't go all-out Remain(the votes to stop Brexit can never be found in this parliament while the Tories stay in power, as everyone here knows, so pushing them to go all-out Remain is pointless)without splitting for the rest of eternity.
And as the fight for Remain is largely a right-wing cause, with nothing progressive or humane that could possibly come of it-Labour couldn't go all-out Remain without ceasing to be Labour.
Mon, 2019-09-16 04:41
#834
Mon, 2019-09-16 06:43
#835
TMOATS, George Galloway, Ep 13 (and vid)
"A must-watch episode with the father of Julian Assange, and TWO mega-guests from America, Epstein, US politics, Brexit, Boris, Bernie, Biden and more..."
"The architect of the Benn Bill designed to stop 'No Deal', standing in front of EU flags demanding EU Ref 2. That's because his bill isn't intended to stop No Deal, it's intended to stop a Deal and therefore Brexit itself. UK politicians and MPs make me feel sick."
https://twitter.com/WinterfellT/status/1173480745127555072
"Would YOU buy a used BRINO [Brexit-in-name-only] from this team? Theresa May's successors are well in with the movers and shakers of the Brussels Mafia - an opulent future for them is guaranteed in EU immiserated Austerity Europe. Austerity UK needs new blood, we're sick of the Westminster sell-outs."
https://twitter.com/communicipalist/status/1173540290617106434
Mon, 2019-09-16 07:45
#836
So Ken,
If, as you endlessly pontificate, Remain is aright wing cause, why do both 80% of Labour activists and voters support it?
Mon, 2019-09-16 17:06
#837
Brits 'Ready For Crash Landing' Out of EU - Galloway
"UK PM Boris Johnson met today with EU Commission President Jean-Claude Junker, who expressed willingness to examine a new proposal to guide the UK's October 31 exit out of the EU. Former UK MP George Galloway weighs in."
David Starkey: 'The Elite is Guilty of Treason' (and audio)
https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast-episode/theres-a-word-for-what-the...
"David Starkey talks to Brendan ONeill. They discuss the betrayal of Brexit, parliament's anti-democratic history and the elites' 'absolute contempt' for the people."
Mon, 2019-09-16 19:16
#838
Lib Dems might well win the next election
Mon, 2019-09-16 20:19
#839
I still think England politics is a big bore waste of time. Can't believe babblers waste your time in this thread
Anyways, I just wanted to note that this Boris character seems to be followed by a crowd of protesters that boo at him constantly in public. This must be demoralizing on Boris and I can't see this joker lasting much longer.
When the UN revokes the UK's and France's veto privelage, I'll come back to this thread for something more substantial.
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:00
#840
Not perfect, what is, but combined with the dismantling of the USSR, the European Union is most constructive political achievement in my lifetime
https://futureofworking.com/11-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-the-european-union/
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:03
#841
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:10
#842
So Ken,
If, as you endlessly pontificate, Remain is aright wing cause, why do both 80% of Labour activists and voters support it?
Mainly, they're working under the delusion that Remain is the only way to fight xenopbobia. It isn't, and everyone knows it. Soft Brexit is just as effective at fighting xenophobia.
It can ONLY be right-wing to put a fight to stay in a largely reactionary political arrangement ahead of the need to save the NHS, erase the Tory benefit cuts, restore the power of the unions and unto Thacherism-none of which you personally care about.
And the 80% support for Remain doesn't necessarily equate to 80% support for the idea that staying in the EU matters more than everything else in the universe.
The only reason you back Remain is that you see it as something you can bludgeon Corbyn with.
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:16
#843
Lib Dems might well win the next election
The article says nothing of the kind. It simply states what Jo Swindon would do on Brexit IF her party won a majority, an outcome which is exceedingly unlikely since the most recent polls put the LibDems, whose poll ratings have fallen steadily of late, at 17%-a lower vote share than the old Liberals received in the second 1974 election when they won only 13 seats.
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:19
#844
The UK is at a crossroads. It can look back and crawl under a stone or it can look forward and participate in the expanding opportunity for more and more of our planets citizens
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:22
#845
Ally with Boris Johnson Just on principle must say no thanks
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/16/world/europe/boris-johnson-juncker-brexit.html
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:27
#846
Part time Europeans
Agreed
https://www.euronews.com/2019/09/12/brexit-the-failure-of-britain-not-of-the-european-union-juncker
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:29
#847
Mon, 2019-09-16 23:58
#848
Tue, 2019-09-17 00:02
#849
Tue, 2019-09-17 07:19
#850
Ken mysteriously asserts:
”Mainly, they're working under the delusion that Remain is the only way to fight xenopbobia. It isn't, and everyone knows it. “
So, if I can assume to understand you Ken, you maintain that 80% of Labour voters oppose Brexit because they are deluded into thinking that is the only way to fight xenophobia. But at the same time EVERYONE knows it isn't.
Are not 80% of Labour voters part of “ everyone” ?
Tue, 2019-09-17 19:26
#851
Ken mysteriously asserts:
”Mainly, they're working under the delusion that Remain is the only way to fight xenopbobia. It isn't, and everyone knows it. “
So, if I can assume to understand you Ken, you maintain that 80% of Labour voters oppose Brexit because they are deluded into thinking that is the only way to fight xenophobia. But at the same time EVERYONE knows it isn't.
Are not 80% of Labour voters part of “ everyone” ?
The fact that 80% identify as "Remain" does not equate to that same 80% insisting that Labour's position be all-out Remain. A lot of those "Labour Remain" identifiers accept the results of the referendum, and accept that it would be both undemocratic for Labour to fight all-out to undo the referendum results.
And if you've somehow missed this, Corbyn's "soft Brexit with referendum" position was just accepted by the Labour National Executive Council, which means it will be accepted at the party conference next week-apologies for my earlier mistake about the conference happening THIS week-which bears out my argument that most of the party, however they may have voted in the referendum, don't believe that the unwinnable fight to get the current parliament to reject Brexit-something the votes can never be found for while the Tories stay in power-is more important than electing a Labour government that is pledged, for the first time in decades, to an actual Labour program:
https://skwawkbox.org/2019/09/17/breaking-corbyn-prevails-on-labours-bre...
Soft Brexit is the most reasonable option, nicky. What the hell is your problem with it? Soft Brexit would preserve the small number of progressive things people associate with the EU, while freeing the UK from the unjust parts-the economic and spending restrictions which make socialism and even "social democracy" impossible.