Jagmeet Singh has proven to be a wicked-good campaigner

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lagatta4

I agree, but there is no right per se to buy housing. There is a right to a home, but that could also be rental (with strong tenants' rights or alternative solutions such as co-operatives or high-quality social housing (which was not originally designed to be only for the poorest, if it is such, it is because of scarcity. Nye Bevan had a vision for that as for the NHS, as did many other socialists in countries far and wide.

lagatta4

I agree, but there is no right per se to buy housing. There is a right to a home, but that could also be rental (with strong tenants' rights or alternative solutions such as co-operatives or high-quality social housing (which was not originally designed to be only for the poorest, if it is such, it is because of scarcity. Nye Bevan had a vision for that as for the NHS, as did many other socialists in countries far and wide.

lagatta4

Here is yet another example of a right-winger (an articulate and far from stupid one, but still in climate crisit denial) coming on to rabble and telling us what to say. Yes, like a man lecturing Greta, but I could be her gran if I didn't prefer black cats to human children:

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      Maria Gatti Michael38 minutes ago • edited

      It is my forum, it sure as hell isn't yours. I am a founding member of rabble. You are lucky that we are so tolerant of right-wingers.

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      Michael Maria Gatti33 minutes ago

      I had no idea this was your forum. That explains a lot. You understand that changes nothing as far as my right to free speech. So use your power to do whatever you see fit.

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lagatta4

It is funny how these hardcore private property nuts suddenly get all about free speech in a site and its forums developed by socialists and other progressives. He probably thinks I was saying it was my private property, which is ridiculous. Back to checking on my soup...

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alan smithee wrote:

NDP 17% and this is AFTER the blackface scandal.

The NDP are going nowhere.

Suck it up,buttercup. The Liberals still have a real chance to win. The NDP? Not so much.

So are you one of those folks who think that JT's rich frat boy racism doesn't matter?

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radiorahim wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

NDP 17% and this is AFTER the blackface scandal.

The NDP are going nowhere.

Suck it up,buttercup. The Liberals still have a real chance to win. The NDP? Not so much.

So are you one of those folks who think that JT's rich frat boy racism doesn't matter?

I don't care about Trudeau. I couldn't care less if he was demoted from his position in place of someone else, I don't care if he quit. It's the party  I been supporting since last election.

I liked their policies and they have done a good job keeping most of their promises.

When the NDP reaches a competitive support in the late 20's , not under 20% as they have been since their Centrist leader Thomas Mulcair who shit the bed in 2015, maybe they'll get my vote. But my vote isn't swayed by colours. The only party I wouldn't vote for even with a sawed off shotgun to my head are the Conservatives. 

The NDP's policies last election were Chrétien Liberal of the 1990's  2.0 .I could not vote for that.

The NDP neeeds to become competitive. They need another Jack Layton. I have nothing against Singh, you won't find any attacks on him on my part here.

I never vote for the so-called 'leader' or face of the party. I vote based on policy and last election the Liberals ran to the Left while Mulcair's influenec steered the NDP to a bad defeat. The Liberals had the best platform it can't be disputed.

The Liberals are promising housing and expunging those with records for cannabis, possession and sales.

They are making a lot of other policies that I find very weak. But housing and criminal reform mean something to me.

I love the NDP policies this time around. But they are barely keeping their heads over water.

So I'll take second best because they are in a position to possibly beat the Conservatives.

So yeah, I don't care about the black face shit. I'm not alone, most people in his riding and around the city don't care either. I guess I can tell you I don't give a shit what he did in high sachool or University. The incident from 20 years ago is completely out of context. The Conservative media and the Conservative Party made a huge deal over nothing.

Context ; He was at an Arabian Night themed party and he showed up as Aladdin. I see nothing wrong about that and I don't think he's a racist. 

Anyway, there it all is for you.

 

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So alan smithee you'd rather support a bourgeois party led by a rich frat boy racist who will implement neo-liberal privatization policies than actually support and promote progressive policies.

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radiorahim wrote:

So alan smithee you'd rather support a bourgeois party led by a rich frat boy racist who will implement neo-liberal privatization policies than actually support and promote progressive policies.

Did you bother to read what I said?

I would rather vote for a party that can defeat the Conservatives.

And I explained in detail why.

BTW,list ONE thing the Liberals have cut in the past 4 years. That should keep you busy.

kropotkin1951

Money to affordable housing. I just heard Jagmeet in Courtenay and he says that after promising action on housng the Liberal government under Trudeau spent 19% less than the Harper government. He was citing numbers from the Parlimantary Budget Officer if I am not mistaken.

Ken Burch

alan smithee wrote:

NDP 17% and this is AFTER the blackface scandal.

The NDP are going nowhere.

Suck it up,buttercup. The Liberals still have a real chance to win. The NDP? Not so much.

"Suck it up, buttercup"?  When the hell did you start talking like THAT?
 

melovesproles

BTW,list ONE thing the Liberals have cut in the past 4 years.

Well it wasn't Greenhouse Gas emissions..

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Services cut. Name one. *crickets*

Congratuations to Krop. Maybe the NDP should kick the Liberals in the ass until they get off theirs and did something that affects millions of Canadians.

kropotkin1951

alan smithee wrote:

Services cut. Name one. *crickets*

Congratuations to Krop. Maybe the NDP should kick the Liberals in the ass until they get off theirs and did something that affects millions of Canadians.

Maybe you should send Jagmeet a donation so he can get his message out. I did this morning even though I didn't send a penny to Tom's campaign.

Aristotleded24

alan smithee wrote:
NDP 17% and this is AFTER the blackface scandal.

The NDP are going nowhere.

Suck it up,buttercup. The Liberals still have a real chance to win. The NDP? Not so much.

Alan, you're in Montreal, correct? If so, I would suspect that your local Conservative candidate has no chance of taking  your area regardless of what happens in the national campaign, and won't contribute to making or breaking a Conservative government. Is the NDP in contention in your area? Didn't you say you like the NDP's policies the best this time around? Why not support your NDP candidate to elect an NDP MP? Elections are held locally, and in many places, the NDP is realistically in contention. Why not try and elect as many NDP MPs as we can to not only put pressure on the Liberals to keep their progressive promises, but to also serve as a strong counter-weight to the right-wing policies that the Conservatives would support?

And yes, in my area, the NDP have a chance to win. Conservatives are a non-factor and won't even mount a serious campaign. I'm doing what I can to make that happen.

NorthReport

In my riding the NDP is not in the game, but they will get my vote nevertheless, because I believe in supporting the party that comes closest to representing my point of view. Not into the fear thing! Maybe to get the NDP numbers up, we need to revert back to paying the political parties for each vote they receive in the previous election, as an incentive for more people to vote NDP.

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alan smithee I think you should learn a thing or two about the federal government's infrastructure bank.   It's a recipe for private profit at public expense.   Think, decades of the public forking out mega-billions to private corporations as we are currently doing in Ontario thanks to the Mike Harris government privatizing Highway 407 across the top of Toronto.

And, not everyone is so quick to forgive Justin Trudeau's blackface/brownface escapades. (Writer/podcaster and BLM-Toronto Co-founder Sandy Hudson in Now Magazine).

Aristotleded24

radiorahim wrote:
And, not everyone is so quick to forgive Justin Trudeau's blackface/brownface escapades. (Writer/podcaster and BLM-Toronto Co-founder Sandy Hudson in Now Magazine).

What I'm about to say might not go over well on these forums, but here I go:

Yes, what Trudeau did was reprehensible. He should have known better. He should not have done it. Having said that, offensive as it was, nobody died as a result of that. When we've been talking about Trudeau in blackface, there are other things we haven't been talking about. I see people in downtown Winnipeg (many Indigenous) with cardboard signs and paper cups asking for money, without a stable place to sleep. Suicide rates on First Nations are disproportinately high. We lock up a disproportionately high number of Indigenous people in jail in this part of the country, and a disporportionately high number of people who have been shot and killed by police in the last 20 years in this country are Indigenous or black. Child welfare is a huge problem that disproportionately impacts Indigenous children. All of these structurally racist problems are things that are actually life threatening. Not defending Trudeau, nor am I saying you have to forgive Trudeau, but it's frustrating to see the media constantly play an issue like this because it is easy to gather clicks and views, rather than do the hard work about telling the truth about life in this country.

quizzical

well said Aristotleded.

the whole gotcha find is racist exploitation and ssying so doesn't mean Trudeau should be off the hook.

it means if PoC aren't out there digging this up no one should be. of course  they won't be as they're too busy trying to survive and move into the future.

everyone who has used this for political gain needs to apologize right along side Trudeau.

 

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Aristotleded24 wrote:

radiorahim wrote:
And, not everyone is so quick to forgive Justin Trudeau's blackface/brownface escapades. (Writer/podcaster and BLM-Toronto Co-founder Sandy Hudson in Now Magazine).

What I'm about to say might not go over well on these forums, but here I go:

Yes, what Trudeau did was reprehensible. He should have known better. He should not have done it. Having said that, offensive as it was, nobody died as a result of that. When we've been talking about Trudeau in blackface, there are other things we haven't been talking about. I see people in downtown Winnipeg (many Indigenous) with cardboard signs and paper cups asking for money, without a stable place to sleep. Suicide rates on First Nations are disproportinately high. We lock up a disproportionately high number of Indigenous people in jail in this part of the country, and a disporportionately high number of people who have been shot and killed by police in the last 20 years in this country are Indigenous or black. Child welfare is a huge problem that disproportionately impacts Indigenous children. All of these structurally racist problems are things that are actually life threatening. Not defending Trudeau, nor am I saying you have to forgive Trudeau, but it's frustrating to see the media constantly play an issue like this because it is easy to gather clicks and views, rather than do the hard work about telling the truth about life in this country.

It's called connecting the dots between Justin Trudeau's rich racist frat boy shit and the real life racist/colonialist policies of his government that does indeed result in people dying.

Aristotleded24

radiorahim wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

radiorahim wrote:
And, not everyone is so quick to forgive Justin Trudeau's blackface/brownface escapades. (Writer/podcaster and BLM-Toronto Co-founder Sandy Hudson in Now Magazine).

What I'm about to say might not go over well on these forums, but here I go:

Yes, what Trudeau did was reprehensible. He should have known better. He should not have done it. Having said that, offensive as it was, nobody died as a result of that. When we've been talking about Trudeau in blackface, there are other things we haven't been talking about. I see people in downtown Winnipeg (many Indigenous) with cardboard signs and paper cups asking for money, without a stable place to sleep. Suicide rates on First Nations are disproportinately high. We lock up a disproportionately high number of Indigenous people in jail in this part of the country, and a disporportionately high number of people who have been shot and killed by police in the last 20 years in this country are Indigenous or black. Child welfare is a huge problem that disproportionately impacts Indigenous children. All of these structurally racist problems are things that are actually life threatening. Not defending Trudeau, nor am I saying you have to forgive Trudeau, but it's frustrating to see the media constantly play an issue like this because it is easy to gather clicks and views, rather than do the hard work about telling the truth about life in this country.

It's called connecting the dots between Justin Trudeau's rich racist frat boy shit and the real life racist/colonialist policies of his government that does indeed result in people dying.

Fair enough. I never saw the media do any of that. I just saw them spend a few days asking how the blackface pictures would impact the vote without going beyond that.

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Aristotleded24 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:
NDP 17% and this is AFTER the blackface scandal.

The NDP are going nowhere.

Suck it up,buttercup. The Liberals still have a real chance to win. The NDP? Not so much.

Alan, you're in Montreal, correct? If so, I would suspect that your local Conservative candidate has no chance of taking  your area regardless of what happens in the national campaign, and won't contribute to making or breaking a Conservative government. Is the NDP in contention in your area? Didn't you say you like the NDP's policies the best this time around? Why not support your NDP candidate to elect an NDP MP? Elections are held locally, and in many places, the NDP is realistically in contention. Why not try and elect as many NDP MPs as we can to not only put pressure on the Liberals to keep their progressive promises, but to also serve as a strong counter-weight to the right-wing policies that the Conservatives would support?

And yes, in my area, the NDP have a chance to win. Conservatives are a non-factor and won't even mount a serious campaign. I'm doing what I can to make that happen.

A24 I do prefer the NDP platform this election. They are promising a lot of progressive issues. I was able to talk to my NDP candidate last week and was impressed with what she had to say.

I want housing and criminal reform, a top 10 priority. I did like hearing that the NDP have a plan to  slow down gentrification with a comprehensive plan to build affordable housing in our cities.

I have been pisssed off since the 90's when they started this gentrification bullshit. I believe that housing is a right not a privelege.

Yes, I voted Liberal in the last election. Of all the parties the Liberal platform was left wing. -Mulcair-steered the NDP in a direction I just could not support.

Threy delivered on some of their promises (which seems to happen after elections ) 

I don't believe Trudeau is a racist. It turns out he made a lot of bad choices when he was younger. I am not a fan of Trudeau but Trudeau never mattered when I casted my vote 4 years ago. I voted for the Liberal Party.

I admit it. I am scared of the Conservatives because they go further backward and take their political cues from the US. 

In other words, they get more regressive and plain crazy with every year that passes. Forget about Scheer. This is still Stephen Harper's party. 

I lived through the Harper government 10 years of power. I couldn't wait for them to get the boot and now people are seriously looking at these assholes, probably oblivious to the fact that this is Harper's party.

I see the incompetence of Ford (I find it funny that people didn't like his cuts but they vcoted for this criminal anyway. Without a platform to boot..What the fuck did they expect?)

I also see the petro facsist Kenney in Alberta.

Incompetence....fascism...that is the true face of the Conservatives.

The fact that I am considering voting Liberal is because  I hate,Hate,HATE Conservatives. I want to make sure they don't get the keys to the castle and like it or not, the only party that can stop them is the Liberals.

My district (for lack of the proper word) has been a Liberal stronghold for as long as I lived here minus the one election when we went NDP. In fact, Layton  was so good and likeable that Quebec went Orange. Quebec WAS the Orange Wave. The ROC stopped them from becoming the government. We did our part, the ROC didn't.

My fear of the Cons out weigh my preference.

Unlike pretty much everyone here, I can live with a Liberal government, I cannot live with a Conservative one.

Anyhow, like I was tellling rahim last election the Liberals were the left wing choice. Did we get a progressive government? No. But they did keep a few promises and actually did something very bold with cannabis. I remeber someone here telling me that he'd 'eat his hat'  if the Liberals legalized cannabis. I don't remember who it was but I hope that hat tasted good.

Lastly, absolutely yes. This election the NDP is the left wing choice,the progressive choice. But their poll numbers are dreadful.

If it is a race between the Libs and Cons and the race is close, I feel I need to vote Liberal (this election) to stop the Cons.

Bottom line is that I hate the CPC with a passion and if I have to vote Liberal, I have no choice.

My riding's demographics have changed a lot since the end of the 80's, early 90's so I don't take for granted that we will never go blue.

It's fear mon ami. I admit it. That's why and only why I defend the Libs.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C2oUInTUlAM

alan smithee wrote:

radiorahim wrote:

So alan smithee you'd rather support a bourgeois party led by a rich frat boy racist who will implement neo-liberal privatization policies than actually support and promote progressive policies.

Did you bother to read what I said?

I would rather vote for a party that can defeat the Conservatives.

And I explained in detail why.

BTW,list ONE thing the Liberals have cut in the past 4 years. That should keep you busy.

Cuts to healthc care.

https://.cbc.ca/amp/1.5295449

“The Liberals came to power in 2015 promising to negotiate a new "collaborative" health accord with the provinces and territories. But when the 10-year deal was finally struck in 2017, it wasn't nearly as generous as the premiers had hoped: it capped increases to the Canada Health Transfer at three per cent per year, down from six per cent under the old agreement.“

Edit to add:

Tommy Douglas referred to Justin Trudeau’s kind of freeze on spending as death to health care by “subtle strangulation”

Tommy Douglas himself

When the Federal government first started nationsl funding for health care they committed themselves to 50% of the total cost of health care spending. Today, the federal level is down to 15%. This is the direct result of over fifty years of successive Liberal and PC/Conservative governments chiseling away at their commitments just like Justin Trudeau has done during his term in power. If the cost of inflation exceeds 3% then he cut health care spending. Since the baby boom generation is aging, the demand for health care is going to dramatically increase but Justin Trudeau only intends to increase his commitments by 3% thus a drastic cut to health care funding.

Proof of Federal 50% funding

“The federal government passed the Medical Care Act in 1966, which offered to reimburse, or cost share, one-half of provincial and territorial costs for medical services provided by a doctor outside hospitals.”

Today’s Federal spending is only at 15 %

The Canada Health Transfer in fiscal year 2018-19 was $38.6 billion, more than half of the total $75.4 billion that flowed from Ottawa to the provinces and territories.

 

But that remains a fraction — just 15 per cent — of overall public and private health care spending in Canada, which totalled $253.5 billion in 2018, according to the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI).”

So you see, Mr. Smithee, you may be afraid of the Conservatives like we all are, but I am just as afraid of the Liberals. And I personally have to live with the consequences of the very best that the Liberals have to offer which, to be quite frank, is totally unacceptable. You hate the worst so you vote for second worst which hurts us all.

People who vote Liberal have to answer for the slow and calculated dismantling of our publicly funded health care system. These cuts place a heavier burden on our provinces to make up for the ever growing Federal shortfall. And how do you expect small provinces like PEI to keep up with these cuts?

Tommy Douglas once said to the effect that yes the cost of health care delivery keeps going up. That cost keeps going up regardless of who pays for it.

I get that. Most progressives on this board get that. Justin Trudeau doesn’t get it.  Nor does the Liberal party.

nicky

In the middle of an interesting article comparing Trudeau with Trump Warren Kinsella (yes, I know) makes this startling comment:

(Oh, and he and his cabal can come up with a racist name for NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, too. More on that in my next column.)

https://torontosun.com/news/national/election-2019/kinsella-trudeau-and-trump-believe-rules-dont-apply-to-them#click=https://t.co/gu6NTfxEUU

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Misfit wrote:

 

alan smithee wrote:

radiorahim wrote:

So alan smithee you'd rather support a bourgeois party led by a rich frat boy racist who will implement neo-liberal privatization policies than actually support and promote progressive policies.

Did you bother to read what I said?

I would rather vote for a party that can defeat the Conservatives.

And I explained in detail why.

BTW,list ONE thing the Liberals have cut in the past 4 years. That should keep you busy.

Cuts to healthc care.

https://.cbc.ca/amp/1.5295449

“The Liberals came to power in 2015 promising to negotiate a new "collaborative" health accord with the provinces and territories. But when the 10-year deal was finally struck in 2017, it wasn't nearly as generous as the premiers had hoped: it capped increases to the Canada Health Transfer at three per cent per year, down from six per cent under the old agreement.“

Maybe I overlook health care. I find the health system is good. The Americans always point to us when arguing about ' socialized medicine' and how bad it is (they are full of shit) and I will tell you about my experience.

4 CT scans ....wait time? 2 WEEKS)

3 MRI's....wait time 2 weeks

1 colomoscopy...this was bizarre. My doctor recommended a colonoscopy and I really was against it. She assured me that it could take a year to call me.

3 days later I was called to set an appointment and 1 week later I had a camera stuffed up my ass.

I am on disability, I pay $0 for my meds.

In my experience I am quite satisfied with our system. But I'd like to see our system expanded to include dental, eye care and free prescription drugs for everyone.

So I haven't felt anything that I would have noticed by now. I'm not hurting. Maybe I get prefrerential treatment .... I'd  have to have quite a big ego to believe I alone get special treatment.

So seeing that my care has been stellar. What cuts to health care?

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Canada ranks 9th out of 11 in health care.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/3599458/canadas-health-care-system-lower-performing-compared-to-its-peers-study/amp/

Yeah, we are better than the United States and sinking lower every year!!!

It was the NDP who fought for publicly funded health care and it was the Liberal party in Saskatchewan that fought it tooth and nail.

I have to live with the consequences of all the people who vote Liberal.

I need a treatment but the Saskatchewan government delisted it from coverage and I will have to pay $1,000.00 a month myself which I cannot afford and will have to do without. This is what happens when the Federal government opts out of funding and provinces cannot or will not make up the shortfall.

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Misfit wrote:

 

I need a treatment but the Saskatchewan government delisted it from coverage and I will have to pay $1,000.00 a month myself which I cannot afford and will have to do without. This is what happens when the Federal government opts out of funding and provinces cannot or will not make up the shortfall.

I feel you and I understand your disdain for theLiberals but I need to ask.

You said the Saskatchewan government cut the provision of treatment that you need to take $1 000 out of your pocket.

Have you ever thought that maybe it is the Saskatchewan Party that is to blame for your dilemma?

From what I understand they are far right. And it is the right that wants to dismantle our system and privatize (who'd of thought?) it like everything else.

It all comes down to the provinces in the ened. 

It's provinces who are in charge of health care (and all the social welfare policies) if I understand corrrectly I could be wrong.

Maybe you should get rid of that far right government you're stuck with first. 

Dimes for donuts it's your right wing government in Regina? Not sure what your capital is.

Step back and think about it.  

NorthReport

My hunch is that a high  percentage of Canadians agree with Jagmeet here

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-jokes-trump-impeachment-1.5299363

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alan smithee you are wrong.   Funding for healthcare is a joint federal/provincial responsibility and transfer payments to the provinces have been cut over the years.   Also, the Canada Health Act, which is a federal responsibility is not enforced on the provinces.

And, given the "joint" responsibility for healthcare, some of the fuck ups are federal and others are provincial making it very easy for partisans from both sides to point fingers instead of dealing with their own fuck ups.  

And, cuts in transfer payments along with lax enforcement of the Canada Health Act facilitates right wing parties who want to privatize everything.    The federal Liberals are right-wing enablers.

NorthReport

My hunch is that Dr Day (of private health care clinic fame in B.C.) is a generous donour  to our right-wing parties like the Liberals, Conservatives, and Greens

NorthReport
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radiorahim wrote:

alan smithee you are wrong.   Funding for healthcare is a joint federal/provincial responsibility and transfer payments to the provinces have been cut over the years.   Also, the Canada Health Act, which is a federal responsibility is not enforced on the provinces.

And, given the "joint" responsibility for healthcare, some of the fuck ups are federal and others are provincial making it very easy for partisans from both sides to point fingers instead of dealing with their own fuck ups.  

And, cuts in transfer payments along with lax enforcement of the Canada Health Act facilitates right wing parties who want to privatize everything.    The federal Liberals are right-wing enablers.

Yes. The feds give the provinces a set amount of money and the PROVINCES decide how to spend it.

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alan smithee wrote:

Misfit wrote:

 

I need a treatment but the Saskatchewan government delisted it from coverage and I will have to pay $1,000.00 a month myself which I cannot afford and will have to do without. This is what happens when the Federal government opts out of funding and provinces cannot or will not make up the shortfall.

I feel you and I understand your disdain for theLiberals but I need to ask.

You said the Saskatchewan government cut the provision of treatment that you need to take $1 000 out of your pocket.

Have you ever thought that maybe it is the Saskatchewan Party that is to blame for your dilemma?

From what I understand they are far right. And it is the right that wants to dismantle our system and privatize (who'd of thought?) it like everything else.

It all comes down to the provinces in the ened. 

It's provinces who are in charge of health care (and all the social welfare policies) if I understand corrrectly I could be wrong.

Maybe you should get rid of that far right government you're stuck with first. 

Dimes for donuts it's your right wing government in Regina? Not sure what your capital is.

Step back and think about it.  

Don’t give me a lecture about provincial issues. The Federal government used to fund 50% of all health care spending in Canada and now they are down to 15% funding. They are short changing the provinces $128.7 million annually and that is projected to increase. Justin Trudeau just halved the Federal cap on future spending to 3% from 6% so this annual shaft to the provinces will only increase. Quebec will feel it less because they accept equalization payments from smaller provinces like mine and refuse to update the amending formula to be more fair.

Both levels of government are to blame for what has happened to me. 

I need to correct myself. The amending formula refers to amendments to the constitution and I was referring to amendments to the equalization formula. 

NorthReport

Jagmeet Singh joins students' climate change protest walk in Victoria today

Aristotleded24

nicky wrote:
In the middle of an interesting article comparing Trudeau with Trump Warren Kinsella (yes, I know) makes this startling comment:

(Oh, and he and his cabal can come up with a racist name for NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, too. More on that in my next column.)

https://torontosun.com/news/national/election-2019/kinsella-trudeau-and-trump-believe-rules-dont-apply-to-them#click=https://t.co/gu6NTfxEUU

A trip down memory lane, reminding us how the Liberals wanted us to see Justin

Pondering

radiorahim wrote:

It's called connecting the dots between Justin Trudeau's rich racist frat boy shit and the real life racist/colonialist policies of his government that does indeed result in people dying.

The point is getting rid of Trudeau will not result in less racism in Canada. Has racism been solved in BC under the NDP?  Trudeau's blackface is/was offensive but it isn't a reason not to vote for him. It is a distraction from policies that actually do impact the disadvantaged of whatever race. 

NorthReport
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Misfit wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Misfit wrote:

 

I need a treatment but the Saskatchewan government delisted it from coverage and I will have to pay $1,000.00 a month myself which I cannot afford and will have to do without. This is what happens when the Federal government opts out of funding and provinces cannot or will not make up the shortfall.

I feel you and I understand your disdain for theLiberals but I need to ask.

You said the Saskatchewan government cut the provision of treatment that you need to take $1 000 out of your pocket.

Have you ever thought that maybe it is the Saskatchewan Party that is to blame for your dilemma?

From what I understand they are far right. And it is the right that wants to dismantle our system and privatize (who'd of thought?) it like everything else.

It all comes down to the provinces in the ened. 

It's provinces who are in charge of health care (and all the social welfare policies) if I understand corrrectly I could be wrong.

Maybe you should get rid of that far right government you're stuck with first. 

Dimes for donuts it's your right wing government in Regina? Not sure what your capital is.

Step back and think about it.  

Don’t give me a lecture about provincial issues. The Federal government used to fund 50% of all health care spending in Canada and now they are down to 15% funding. They are short changing the provinces $128.7 million annually and that is projected to increase. Justin Trudeau just halved the Federal cap on future spending to 3% from 6% so this annual shaft to the provinces will only increase. Quebec will feel it less because they accept equalization payments from smaller provinces like mine and refuse to update the amending formula to be more fair.

Both levels of government are to blame for what has happened to me. 

No need to get angry. Just pointing out that the feds give the provinces X amount meant to cover social services like health care and infrastructure. Instead right wing provincial governments like to cut services in order to give the rich tax cuts, just like the CPC plans.  The provinces have final say. A right wing government whether it's federal or provincial  or both. Cutting services for tac cuts to the wealthy is their hallmark.

BTW,  I wasn't lecturing you, just pointing out something.

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Poet Rupi Kaur will appear at public event in Burnaby with NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh

 

by Charlie Smith on September 28th, 2019 at 7:55 AM

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  • Rupi Kaur has achieve rock star-like sales for her poetry anthologies. Jagmeet Singh is hoping that her influence will help his campaign as NDP leader.

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  • Rupi Kaur has achieve rock star-like sales for her poetry anthologies. Jagmeet Singh is hoping that her influence will help his campaign as NDP leader.RUPI KAUR/GURPREET SINGH

A Canadian poet whose first anthology sold more than 2.5 million copies will give the NDP campaign a boost in Burnaby South.

Rupi Kaur's milk and honey was translated into 25 languages, and remained on the New York Times bestseller list for 77 weeks.

She has 3.7 million followers on Instagam.

The Toronto-based poet will join NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh in conversation at the Crystal Ballroom in the Hilton Vancouver Metrotown hotel at noon.

In 2017, Georgia Straight contributor Jagdeesh Mann suggested that "Broken English" was perhaps Kaur's finest poem. It was written as a tribute to her immigrant mother.

It includes these lines: "So how dare you mock your mother when she opens her mouth and broken English spills out. Her accent is thick like honey, hold it with our life, it's the only thing she has left from home."

That year, Kaur spoke to a full house at the Orpheum Theatre as she was touring to promote her second book, the sun and her flowers.

https://www.straight.com/news/1307861/poet-rupi-kaur-will-appear-public-event-burnaby-ndp-leader-jagmeet-singh

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Aristotleded24 wrote:

Having said that, offensive as it was, nobody died as a result of that.

Please go back and read some of Maysie's racism posts. This is the fundamental fallacy in your thinking.

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alan smithee wrote:

Yes. The feds give the provinces a set amount of money and the PROVINCES decide how to spend it.

The worst of the Liberal slashing/burning of social expenditures happened during the Chretien/Martin years in the 1990's and early 2000's.    Some more happened under Harper.   JT ha thrown a few crumbs back from the ruling class table back and that is all.

Yes the Tories are excplicitly racist but the Liberals are systemically racist.

He tossed his Indigenous Attorney General so he could do a deal with a corrupt transnational engineering corporation.  He has refused to negotiate a trust fund for Indigenous healthcare to deal with over half a century of mercury poisoning at Grassy Narrows.

There is the ongoing Indigenous water crisis.    There is the Canadian Human Rights Commission ruling AGAINST his government over child welfare services.   There is the systemic underfunding of Indigenous education, housing and social services.

There is the barrelling over of Indigenous communities to build fossil fuel infrastructure to ship dirty oil to export markets.    This is a government that spent $4.5 billion to bail out Texas oil pipeline investors.

There is this government's refusal to at least suspend if not cancel the Safe Third Party Agreement with Donald Trump..

There is this government embracing U.S. foreign policy with regard to Haiti, Honduras and Venezuela.   They are actually worse than Harper.

This government has refused to erase old pot possession convictions from people's criminal records which mainly affects people from racialized and marginalized communities.

I could go on and on.

If you are voting for this government, you are voting for a continuation of systemic racism.

 

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Singh is having a very good visit in BC.

pietro_bcc

Honestly, Singh has probably had the best campaign period of any of the candidates so far. But I don't think it'll make much of a difference, the hole he started in was too deep to crawl out of (including things that he can't do anything about like Bill 21.)

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‘Charting my own path’: Singh pitches his positive, people politics in battleground B.C.

By SAMANTHA WRIGHT ALLEN      OCT. 2, 2019

The NDP leader has recently honed in on battleground B.C., holding big events in the Burnaby South riding he’s fighting to keep this October.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, pictured at an event with Port Moody–Coquitlam NDP candidate Bonita Zarrillo, right, and the riding’s current outgoing MP Fin Donnelly, left, during one of many events with the leader in B.C. since Sept. 22. The Hill Times photograph by Samantha Wright Allen

https://www.hilltimes.com/2019/10/02/charting-my-own-path-singh-pitches-his-positive-people-politics-in-battleground-b-c/217294

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Jagmeet Singh politely challenges man who urged him to 'cut off' his turban

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-ndp-montreal-turban-sikh-1.5305840

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Jagmeet Singh and his idealism find their moment

Election Image of the Day: Justin Trudeau’s ‘brownface’ debacle turned all eyes on the NDP leader. Without question, he rose to the occasion.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/jagmeet-singh-and-his-idealism-find-their-moment/

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Jagmeet Singh politely challenges man who urged him to 'cut off' his turban

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-ndp-montreal-turban-sikh-1.5305840

This is really my point, Singh has been campaigning well I agree. But you can't campaign so well that it convinces people who hate you, not to hate you.

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Well that's a little pessimistic, Pietro.  

This little number from the National Post warmed my heart:

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/election-2019/john-ivison-if-you-...

"Singh’s message is that New Democrats will offer a “New Deal for People,” reversing the trend where governments in Ottawa help the rich to get richer, while everyone else falls back. Liberals and Conservatives have “given the people at the top whatever they want and we’re paying the price,” he says, gouged by cell phone companies, while big polluters have been let off the hook.

It’s tired old class warfare rhetoric familiar to anyone who has followed Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. But there are signs that Singh’s ability to divide the population along income lines, while at the same time calling for people to “move past prejudice” is starting to resonate."

"Divide the population along income lines".   Haha.   Looks like that old class warfare rhetoric isn't so tired after all.   Go Jagmeet!

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