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By the way - the pictures of atrocities are not just one sided. Atrocities on the Hidu side against Muslims have also been chronicled.

No question this animosity was fed by the British and the conflict in large part due to their design (not just incompetence).

But to come here and suggest that it is a one-sided thing is not honest either.

Let's also place this in a modern context related to genocide and steps towards near genocide against Muslims:

Kosovo, China, Myanmar, Former Soviet Union... India is on a road of extremism that should not be blessed on this site or anywhere.

Share your opinion as you like - but others may want to add the other side.

I am not anti-Indian at all. But I am not in favour of white-washing oppression. I also do not think the issue of European imperialism and its effects (that I can argue include the present climate crisis) should be merged with other conflicts to magnify those or dimish European imperialism in terms of global effects.

Play victim elsewhere white man.

Also explain this message you sent me today:

"Worry about your own safety, won't say anything more."

What kind of garbage is this? You trying to threaten me?

Stop this now. You are not helping yourself. You are out of control. Questionning the BJP is not just about colonialism and white supremacy and it is also not about taking sides in the larger Hindu-Muslim battle.

I am tired of people that seek to polarize every discussion so that they force their own extreme positions. Just stop.

And I asked you to stop sending me messages. You are blocked.

jatt_1947 wrote:

Why aren't streets in Israel named after Hitler - Sean in Ottawa 2019

If this place had an moderation this type of shit would not be allowed.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Also explain this message you sent me today:

"Worry about your own safety, won't say anything more."

What kind of garbage is this? You trying to threaten me?

 

Wow.  This guy needs to be banned, and even reported. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20160305070242/http://mosmaiorum.org/persecu...

 

The Anti-Sikh, Pro-Islam Bigotry of the BBC

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/cogito-ergo-sum/the-anti-sikh-...

Enough. The Sikhs will not take it.

 

 

Doesn't let me change size of images.

Lol

 

Here is an Indian voice that I listen to carefully.

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/13/arundhati_roy_on_the_indian_election

 

https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/status/1185939659521609728?s=20

 

JKR wrote:

I think you make a good case for the need for India to protect and promote Hinduism. The recent successes of Hindu nationalism obviously have their roots in history. I was unaware of the severity of the atrocities perpetrated upon Hindus in the past. I think India should protect and promote Hinduism but still not persecute other religions. In general I think India is heading in the right direction. I think India's greatest need is to reduce poverty. I also think Hinduism has been one of the greatest gifts to our world. I think most Indians understand that they have many challenges to overcome, like it's currently dysfunctional caste system, and Indians are more than capable of sorting out their challenges without interference from abroad.

Don't be misled by this person that this is one-sided.

Google the issue of restoration of Temples over sites of mosques in India - some of these mosques are on sites of temples destroyed up to 1000 years ago and extrmists are arguing to destroy centuries old mosques to restore things that were gone longer ago. Don't think that this is a one-sided conflict where Hindus are all innocent.

You can read this -- among many, many sources that discuss how extremism exists on both sides.

https://solidarity-us.org/atc/98/p1268/

You can look up the start of the BJP movement and learn about the riots, destruction and deaths when the current Indian PM was in power in Gujarat.

Yes Hindus have suffered but despite the gruesome images this person posts they have given as well as taken violence.

This site was not meant to take sides as this person is demanding.

It is not imperialist and discriminatory (as he suggests) to refuse to take sides.

His comments are disgusting -- like this as well designed for obvious purpose:

"Solution to India's problems is the Kirpan."

He is proving that there is

NO MODERATION ON THIS SITE ANY MORE.

This has been reported but the site is doing nothing.

jatt_1947 wrote:

Hindu genocide is ok because Hindus are heathen savages dude.

What the hell are you talking about?  There has never been any possibility that Hindus would be victims of genocides, and it's not "anti-colonialism" to insist that Hindus should have supremacy over every other indigenous group and every other faith tradition in India.

Hindus don't have to make everybody else in India live at their mercy to be safe.  And there was no justification for the anti-Muslim and general anti non-Hindu rage that Modi has stoked.  

 

Another point made by the poster is that Hindu places of worship can be disposed of - menaing they do not need to be reclaimed from hundreds of years ago. This is not restoration. It is ethnic and religious cleansing.

:ok:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Tfw when a bunch of white boys post some communist, beef eating, upper caste Brahmin from Bengal as an authority on Vedic Dharma. :rollseyes:

xD :ok:

Ideas are not always ranked by colour. I do not need extra pigmentation in my skin to oppose the Islamaphobia you have tried to whip up here or to be disgusted by your personal attacks and lies.

I picked a source that was anti-imperialist to point out that you trying to hide a campaign in support of ethnic and religious cleansing, destruction of architectural sites, and murder in India behind anti-imperialism should not have success here.

I have no problem with any comments you want to make on European Imperialism. It is your support for a campaign of terror against many people living in India that I take issue with. It is your deceptions here where you post examples of Mosques on sites of Temples without the context of time suggesting this was something current when some of this goes back 1000 years. No Muslim in India today has to receive your anger for what happened then no matter how wrong it was. What is current is what you are a part of and what you are advocating here.

Again if there were any moderation here this thread would be closed. The moderators may be okay with the thread but others can still object to it unless they want to ban us.

You have no leg to stand on to attack me. My words have been more restrained than yours through this thread. You have broken every principle this site stands for. This is a site of peace not revenge for old religious battles. Here most people do not give a dman about any religion becuase it inspires the kind of hate you spew. They can throw me off this site if they like but you are the kind of person that should be stood up to.

Yes, due to imperialism and the fact that you have cloaked this entirely and intentionally in race (rather than religion which is the real content behind your attacks) in order to silence people -- you got a free pass. These free passes all should have been used up by now due to the disgusting, at times threatening, offensive and personal attacks you waged here.

This place is one that is not supposed to condone Islamaphobia just as it is not supposed to condone hatred to Hindus or any others.

I have no idea why Meg will not do anything but that is a problem we have here now.

By the way Jatt says this is about :

"Some random riot by Hindus is considered the same level as 1000 years of Jihad with millions of casualties."

This is a lie. The atrocities are on both sides and this has been going on a long time.

He is right that there is no Muslim person here to provide the other side but the truth has universal value.

Check yourself this history. Neither side can pretend to be innocent or the only victim. The people who are perpetuating it are the ones in the wrong and Jatt is one of them. Google what is going on there. Pick multiple sources. they are not all "communist" as that pissed him off, or all imperialist, they come with facts and pictures, people dying. Here is a wiki - no not saying it is an authority but it has many references at the end and you can look up more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India

-- you can scroll to the anti Hidu violence in the above link. I am not saying this is one-sided.

But what is happening now is extremely serious.

 

• The 2008 Human Rights Watch report notes: India claims an abiding commitment to human rights, but its record is marred by continuing violations by security forces in counterinsurgency operations and by government failure to rigorously implement laws and policies to protect marginalised communities. A vibrant media and civil society continue to press for improvements, but without tangible signs of success in 2007.[7]
• The 2007 Amnesty International report listed several issues concern in India and noted Justice and rehabilitation continued to evade most victims of the 2002 Gujarat communal violence.[293]
• In a 2018 report, United Nations Human Rights office expressed concerns over attacks directed at minorities and Dalits in India. The statement came in an annual report to the United Nations Human Rights Council’s March 2018 session where Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein said,

• "In India, I am increasingly disturbed by discrimination and violence directed at minorities, including Dalits and other scheduled castes, and religious minorities such as Muslims. In some cases this injustice appears actively endorsed by local or religious officials. I am concerned that criticism of government policies is frequently met by claims that it constitutes sedition or a threat to national security. I am deeply concerned by efforts to limit critical voices through the cancellation or suspension of registration of thousands of NGOs, including groups advocating for human rights and even public health groups."[301]

Lols.

jatt_1947 wrote:

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html
 

"If you have a general ‘anti-authority’ outlook, all the state has to do to ‘co-opt’ you is convince you to accept its rank ordering of enemies. It has significant resources to do this." 

"However, the ‘anti-authority’ outlook itself is maintained by the state. The system here is { anti-authority ideologies + a rank ordering of enemies }, which creates a obfuscatory mechanism through which the state can create assets who don’t think of themselves as assets." 

 

You live in this fantasy world where everything is evil but your particular progressive ideology is not.

A shining beacon to the world from which everything must be judged, everything must conform and everything must lead to.

You are a christian in other words.

Stop worrying about what I am - you have no clue.

As for religion I think it is a bad guess to think anyone here is of a religion. I suspect most people here do not like religions - particularly those that say they are for peace but make exceptions for those they disagree with. Meaning basically all of them.

When struck with a brick respond with a Boulder - Guru Gobind Singh

jatt_1947 wrote:

In Multan, when the Muslims would complain about the Azaan being banned the Singhs would respond among the rejoice of Hindus we have not done even 1/4 of what you have done to us.

The fact that a significant portion of Hindus are still willing to forgive and forget everything, when it is blatantly obvious that Christians & Muslims have always been the aggressors should highlight the difference between the ideologes; and how monstrous you are for supporting the agressors.

In a case of justice, feigning neutrality and punishing those defending themselves is an evil act.
You will defend your fellow monotheists anyway..

 

O well, the poor and oppressed of the world have the Khalsa.

put me down as a no-theist of any kind - thanks

and stop making assumptions

India has had self-governance from the beginning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala#Political_meaning
--
A lot of Muslim tribes do believe they are non-Indic ie Baloch say they're from Aleppo & Pathans say Bene Israel.

voice of the damned wrote:

Jatt wrote:

Turk is anyway a colloquial term and if our Guru uses it, it is correct.

Sorta like in Alberta in the early 80s, we used to say anyone from the general vicinity of the Indian subcontient(Hindus, Sikhs, whatever) was from "Pakistan".

Hey, if Bob the rig-worker down the road used it, it must have been correct! 

 

Don't insult the Guru. You're worse than Bob atleast he's honest about his racism.
BJP is wrong, Congress is the party of Sikh & Sadhu genocide. :shrug:

The modern west/left’s entire anti-islamophobic nonsense is an attempt to pass the white guilt for colonialism and the war on terror onto Hindus.

http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

Once Hindus are in the same position as Yazidis they'll find sympathy on here.