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How do you save on your GAS/HYDRO/FOOD bills ?

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FastFoodFreddy
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There all going up,so let's share our Idea's.

I went to "Home Depot" today and purchased that (black sponge copper tubing insulator) that's supposed to reduce gas usage on your hot water tank and save at least 3 to 4 percent on your bill.

Small savings but it all ads up. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

I also purchased some "Aluminum Foil Bubble Rap" for my basement windows which they say will reduce heat loss in the home and reduce your heating bill by 1 or 2 percent [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

[ 12 September 2005: Message edited by: FastFoodFreddy ]


Mr. Anonymous
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I believe the federal government will reimburse part of the costs associated with an energy audit and home improvements that conserve energy. These costs usually pay off in 10 years or less, then make you money, so to speak.

Regarding hot water heaters, there are brands that heat the water only as it is needed (using a super-hot element fired up as the need arises I think), and save a lot of money on long-term water heating costs. They originated in Europe, but are now available in Canada.


FastFoodFreddy
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. Anonymous:
I believe the federal government will reimburse part of the costs associated with an energy audit and home improvements that conserve energy. These costs usually pay off in 10 years or less, then make you money, so to speak.

Regarding hot water heaters, there are brands that heat the water only as it is needed (using a super-hot element fired up as the need arises I think), and save a lot of money on long-term water heating costs. They originated in Europe, but are now available in Canada.

Thx for your reply .


Just curious how much do you pay for hydro ?
And how much would your family pay for Heat ?


radiorahim
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I work near a grocery store and so it makes it easy to go there after work.

I regularly do "lost leader" runs and buy nothing but "lost leaders". Just about everything ends up on sale sooner or later. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]


DrConway
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I live in an apartment. The hot water is shared communally and this means a good chunk of the Hydro is folded into the rent, which is regulated by law.

Thus, I pay a very minor sum now for hydro every month. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] (living in an apartment also means I don't need to waste a lot of energy heating the place)


Michelle
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I don't have a hydro bill since I pay an inclusive rent. I save on gas by not driving a car.

Food...well, that's one area where I am not great. I don't go to grocery stores enough because the corner store is more convenient, and when there's just one person, it's easy to just sort of do impromptu trips to the store to grab stuff.

However, I find that never buying meat really saves me a bundle. I use tofu and eggs mostly to replace meat.


person
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become a vegetarian or just eat less meat.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Eat beans - ease the gas crisis!

Mr. Magoo
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I heat my home entirely with beeswax, which is over one million times more efficient than natural gas. I eat fermented honey, I wear clothing made of pollen, and I drive to work every day in the BeeMobile. If you hear a buzzing sound and cackling laughter overhead, that's me! How's your bee-less commute down there? Muahahaha!

HeywoodFloyd
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Do you get fucking pissed off bees under your bonnet when you're on the freeway?

Mr. Magoo
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Don't you mean when I'm flying 20 feet above it? Yes. Let's just say that having a BeeMobile brings a new meaning to having to stop and smell the flowers. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]

HeywoodFloyd
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Why don't you just tow behind the car a medusa bag full of pollen that the bees can use as a source, rather than flowers?

chubbybear
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
I heat my home entirely with beeswax, which is over one million times more efficient than natural gas. I eat fermented honey, I wear clothing made of pollen, and I drive to work every day in the BeeMobile.
Like, way kewl! Smoke doobees too, dude?

Mr. Magoo
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How else would I get my.... (dare I?).... Buzz? [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

HeywoodFloyd
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The fermented honey. Duuh!

GreenNeck
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I guess I'm lucky in a way, living in a rural area. I heat my house with wood, generate electricity with PV panels (and a wind turbine coming soon), and grow as much food as I can.

Originally I did not install the PVs to save money as they're quite expensive. But in my neck of the woods the eletric power is so flaky you'd swear this is a Third World country.


skdadl
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quote:Regarding hot water heaters, there are brands that heat the water only as it is needed (using a super-hot element fired up as the need arises I think), and save a lot of money on long-term water heating costs. They originated in Europe, but are now available in Canada.

Oh, dear. If those are what I think they are, and if they haven't been improved since the 70s (but surely they have?), you aren't going to enjoy this, people.

We had small versions of those in the kitchen and shower of a house I lived in in England in the 70s. The water has two temperatures: very cold, or boiling hot. Yes, there is a super-hot element, and that gets the water from one extreme to the other very quickly -- and then you die. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]


Melsky
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I looked at a house that had one of those installed and the water came out fine. I liked the water heaters but I ended up buying another house.

skdadl
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Ok -- thanks, Melsky. They've probably been improved since I met them. And I don't want to sound reactionary.

Boy, the first models of those things were bad, though. A simple shower could give you third-degree burns.


Reverend Blair
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Those water heaters have been improved. When our current water heater goes (shouldn't be long now) I plan on getting one.

I've insulated all the hot water pipes and heating ducts. I also moved the pipes away from the outside walls. I've been insulating the house one room at a time. Painting around here consists of tearing out the walls, cutting out the shiplap, and installing insulation and vapour barrier. I'm also putting a new front door soon. I'm just waiting for Mrs. Rev to pick one. Next year, we'll start replacing windows.

Some other little tips:

Cover your pots when you cook.
In the winter, keep your blinds open during the day and closed at night. Reverse that in the summer.
Cut down on showers. I know several people who shower before and after work. Why?
Only heat the rooms you use. Close the registers and doors for the ones you don't use.


skdadl
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May I ask a question about fires: gas or wood?

I've been thinking hard about the virtues of having a wood-burning fireplace, especially in an emergency such as the ice storm.

What are the virtues of each system? Who would plump for one or the other?


chester the pra...
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wood heat has some problems in the city: getting and storing a supply of fuel is one and, at least in saskatchewan, a big increase in insurance premiums, being another.

'lance
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Air quality is another. Another yet is that fireplaces of either kind are way inefficient. They draw in air from the rest of the house, which increases the problem of drafts, but send most of their heat up the chimbley.

If you want an alternate source of heat, better to have some kind of stove, or other unit which sticks out from the wall, and is designed to radiate much of its heat inside the room. There are both wood-burning and gas-burning versions.

[Edited to correct mispledding of chimney].

[ 14 September 2005: Message edited by: 'lance ]


Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Not to mention the pollution factor in a populated area. Even the clean-burning high-efficiency woodstoves are only low-emission once they've hit a relatively high constant temperature - which they aren't running at much of the time, as they heat up and cool down.

edited to say
'lance beat me to it.

[ 14 September 2005: Message edited by: Lard tunderin' jeesus ]


skdadl
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Ah. So if I have a fireplace, gas or wood-burning, but just don't use it at all, I am polluting less, more energy efficient? (What happens with the chimney when it's not being used?)

That still won't help with the ice storm. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]


'lance
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quote:Ah. So if I have a fireplace, gas or wood-burning, but just don't use it at all, I am polluting less, more energy efficient?

Truthfully, yes. Nothing wrong with burning a little wood once in a while I suppose, but I'd neither make a habit of it, nor count on it for emergency heat.

quote:What happens with the chimney when it's not being used?

Probably it lets some heat escape, though less if the draft is closed.

quote:That still won't help with the ice storm.

For emergency heat, you'd be best to get a propane-powered space heater or two. You can likely get them at Canadian Tire or some such. If you're uneasy about having propane cylinders in the house, store them in your shed/garage (you have one, yes? I'm not disremembering?).


Boom Boom
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Probably a good idea to check if a wood stove is allowed in your community. I suspect they wouldn't be permitted within some cities at all because of pollution. I live in an isolated area on the Lower North Shore of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, Quebec, and everyone here has a wood stove because oil is just too expensive to deliver here, and there's no natural gas line. I guess everyone has electric baseboard heaters, but, still, wood heat is cheap - we all cut our own wood, and bring it out of the bush, and stack it to dry for full summer at least before using - but quite work intensive. I just returned from stacking an enormous pile of wood cut last winter - I already did half last spring, been too busy to finish. I still have about four cords of wood to stack, then I have to continue bringing the previous year's pile of wood back to the house. It's a lot of work. I had my neighbour clean the chimney last week - has to be done twice a year or more - depends how often I use the fireplace. The wood stove is our only source of heat when the electricity goes off, which sometimes can be for a few days during the coldest part of winter. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]

edited to add: this is where having a small truck comes in handy - I can go right into the bush to retrieve my firewood. I'll be bringing back wood with the truck likely until the end of November. Then I'll switch to using my skidoo and komatick for the winter.

[ 14 September 2005: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]


Southlander
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Help. Whats hydro? Is it the same as electricity, or do you get two bills?

skdadl
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Yes, Southlander: for some reason, people in Ontario refer to our power bills as Hydro, even though most of us are not getting our electricity that way.

This is one weird province. I've lived here for over thirty years, and I still don't understand it. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]


Reality. Bites.
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quote:Originally posted by skdadl:
Yes, Southlander: for some reason, people in Ontario refer to our power bills as Hydro, even though most of us are not getting our electricity that way.

Seems pretty logical to me. The company was (formerly) Toronto Hydro, Ottawa Hydro, etc.


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