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quote:Originally posted by ohara: I suppose it depends on our own government and our laws now doesnt it? And you know I love the way you try to side track this. We were discussing a lawsuit brought on by Weinstein and its sustainability. Michelle (a moderator yet) decides to move this into yet another sphere. Michelle why dont you open a thread with that question so we can stay focussed on the thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
Good point. We are digressing. You were about to enlighten us with your view on the morality or immorality of Weinstien ending up as collateral damage in an operation designed to ferret out his known terrorist associates?
quote:Originally posted by ohara: I dont know how to characterize the jdl and given the litigation going on I refuse to put Babble in any jeopardy by answering your questions now.
Secondly all your foofara is meaningless. Weinstein has no criminal record., has never been charged with terrorist activities. Thats it AKA there aint no more no matter how much you wish it to be so.
Well, let's hope he doesn't get held on a security certificate simply on suspicion of association with terrorists. I mean, that would just terrible.
quote:Originally posted by ohara: You have all gone off the rails. I guess that is what happens when you begin to understand that this may not be a frivolous lawsuit.
All I understand is that you have spent the afternoon sitting in your office defending the JDL of Baruch Goldstein. That is clear enough.
wow you must have a camera and everything!!! Defending is not the word I choose. This was a legal discussion on the sustainability of a lawsuit. Nothing more. That you want to inflate it into much more is your problem not mine
Cueball maybe you forget, this is a discussion board. I have an interest in legal matters. akamycroft and I began this discussion on the viability of this lawsuit.
Forget it...hard to discuss with someone who has a one-track mind
That's original...this thread has veered way off course...Mods show some sympathy and end its life...Once it seemed clear that the legal arguments i put forward seemed real i guess it had to be derailed
quote:Originally posted by ohara: Firstly I never said that, secondly I said it doesnt really matter. Get some glasses
Of course it matters, you said:
quote:The FBI statements are immaterial as applied directly to Meir Weinstein a Canadian citizen not today involved with the American jdl
The American JDL has been described as a terrorist organization by an agency of the US government. Your defence of Weinstein is predicated on the assumption that Weinstein's "JDL Canada" has nothing to do with the US outfit and that he is "not today involved with the American JDL" so of course it matters whether or not the American JDL and the Canadian JDL are in fact the same organization.
So, I ask you again:
Ohara, can you say with a straight face that you believe the "Canadian JDL" has never had anything to do with the "American JDL"?
Ohara maybe you should ask your libel lawyer what the net effect of their withdrawing the post immediately and the fact they had a valid reason for thinking this was the case because the FBI told them so. Seems to me the lawyers will have a field day unless as I suspect a behind the scenes truce on this front is called. Neither side seems to have an open and shut slam dunk winner (enough cliches for everyone)and the damages would not amount too much. After all this is a fringe group calling another fringe group into disrespect. Hard to damage a reputation if you don't have one.
Ohara, I also think your choice of words that Weinstein is "not today involved with the American jdl" is interesting. Do you concede that Weinstein has been involved in the "American JDL" in the past? Would this not be during one of the decades (say, the 80s) when the FBI described the JDL as the "the second most active terrorist group in the United States"?
quote:Originally posted by kropotkin1951: After all this is a fringe group calling another fringe group into disrespect. Hard to damage a reputation if you don't have one.
It's not accurate to call CAF a "fringe group". A recent leader of CAF now sits as a Liberal MP. The current head ran for the NDP in the last provincial election. CAF is basically the Arab equivalent of the CJC.
quote:Originally posted by ohara: You are wrong on all counts. I have engaged in a discussion on legal tactics. Any reasonable reading of the thread would point that out.
This is just flat wrong. Any reasonable reading of the thread would convict you of the behaviour that you are accused of.
quote:Originally posted by johnpauljones: I am really loving the conversation in this thread. It is really a bloody shame that this thread actually was missing one very important point.
Their was a racist act at Ryerson University. How soon we all can forget about that one little fact.
As far as I know through the media no one has been charged with committing the act.
Yet we have had an entire thread about 3 paragraphs in a release. 3 paragraphs that some are in agreement should never have been put in the release.
The lawsuit by the JDL would never have happened if the SPHR and CAF had stopped and used its brains to think.
Both groups are smarter than this episode lets on.
While debating JDL seems to be fun. It is sad that the real issue can be avoided. That issue is the issue of racism on campuses across the GTA.
In the last couple of weeks we have had anti-semetic vandalism at York and racist based arson at Ryerson.
quote:Originally posted by aka Mycroft: I'd be impressed if you could show one post where your criticisms of the JDL extended beyond saying "I'm no fan".
I thought that the constant demand for "oaths of loyalty" were frowned upon at Babble. Ive made myself clear on the jdl, Its time , like jpj has reminded us both to change the channel.
Good point. We are digressing. You were about to enlighten us with your view on the morality or immorality of Weinstien ending up as collateral damage in an operation designed to ferret out his known terrorist associates?
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All I understand is that you have spent the afternoon sitting in your office defending the JDL of Baruch Goldstein. That is clear enough.
Forget it...hard to discuss with someone who has a one-track mind
Of course it matters, you said:
The American JDL has been described as a terrorist organization by an agency of the US government. Your defence of Weinstein is predicated on the assumption that Weinstein's "JDL Canada" has nothing to do with the US outfit and that he is "not today involved with the American JDL" so of course it matters whether or not the American JDL and the Canadian JDL are in fact the same organization.
So, I ask you again:
Ohara, can you say with a straight face that you believe the "Canadian JDL" has never had anything to do with the "American JDL"?
[ 12 March 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
[ 12 March 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
It's not accurate to call CAF a "fringe group". A recent leader of CAF now sits as a Liberal MP. The current head ran for the NDP in the last provincial election. CAF is basically the Arab equivalent of the CJC.
This is just flat wrong. Any reasonable reading of the thread would convict you of the behaviour that you are accused of.
You weren't there so how do you know?
[ 12 March 2008: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]
Their was a racist act at Ryerson University. How soon we all can forget about that one little fact.
As far as I know through the media no one has been charged with committing the act.
Yet we have had an entire thread about 3 paragraphs in a release. 3 paragraphs that some are in agreement should never have been put in the release.
The lawsuit by the JDL would never have happened if the SPHR and CAF had stopped and used its brains to think.
Both groups are smarter than this episode lets on.
While debating JDL seems to be fun. It is sad that the real issue can be avoided.
That issue is the issue of racism on campuses across the GTA.
In the last couple of weeks we have had anti-semetic vandalism at York and racist based arson at Ryerson.
Thanks for making this point.