babble-intro-img
babble is rabble.ca's discussion board but it's much more than that: it's an online community for folks who just won't shut up. It's a place to tell each other — and the world — what's up with our work and campaigns.

I Can't Believe There Isn't a Conrad Black Thread

107 replies [Last post]

Comments

Sharon
Offline
Joined: May 10 2003
Awww, oldgoat. I wanted to -- finally -- use the expression, "Google is your friend." And you blew that chance for me. [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]

Maysie
Online
Joined: Apr 21 2005
oldgoat, that would be one big YES. Thanks a lot dude! [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img]

I couldn't help but notice that her third link is to the Toronto Sun! WTFHF?!? (That's "What the fucking hell fuck". I just made it up. It seemed appropriate.)

The fewer right-wing wackos whose existences are in my brain the happier I'll be. Thanks for wrecking a perfectly good Conrad-bashing thread! I hope you're happy now! [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img]


oldgoat
Offline
Joined: Jul 27 2001
Gee, I discomfited an editor and a moderator in one post. Well my work here is done. I'm off to join the rush hour traffic home now.

Ta!


Maysie
Online
Joined: Apr 21 2005
quote:Michelle: Oh, and I think she has a column in the National Post, much to the chagrin of the real journalists there.

Hahahaha! Good one, Michelle! Whew, thanks, I feel so much better now. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]


Michelle
Offline
Joined: May 10 2001
Well, I had to kind of swallow hard when I wrote "real journalists there" about the National Post, but, well.

Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004
A closing line related to the "vermin and sluts" news story last night, from CHRISTIE BLATCHFORD:

Ermine, vermin and the sluts in Chicago

The very funny columnist Mark Steyn, who like me used to work for Lord Black (Canada is a small big country, and a number of us covering this trial either worked for him or aspired to work for him) and who here is toiling for Maclean's magazine, watched the press discussion with much amusement yesterday. He suggested the court staff should heretofore divide the press seats into "Sluts" and "Vermin," with signs to match. Some days, and yesterday was one, it feels too bloody fitting.


Michelle
Offline
Joined: May 10 2001
Heh. Babs should wear a uniform to court. Then she'll get favourable coverage by Blatchford.

Maysie
Online
Joined: Apr 21 2005
quote:Originally posted by Michelle:
Heh. Babs should wear a uniform to court. Then she'll get favourable coverage by Blatchford.

Michelle! Are you saying that Blatchford just wants to be spanked by Barbara Amiel?? Yikes! [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004
Christie Blatchford's coverage of Amiel at the trial has been gentle, at least when compared to Rosie DiManno's.

Briguy
Offline
Joined: Nov 30 2001
quote:Originally posted by Michelle:
Well, I had to kind of swallow hard when I wrote "real journalists there" about the National Post, but, well.

Well, I loved the dry humour in that line, even if nobody else commented. [img]wink.gif" border="0[/img]

Can I ask, is it sexist to point out Bab's, um, marrying ways? It's not as though her history of going to the altar with richer and richer men hasn't been the subject of a classic Canadian bestseller or anything.


quelar
Offline
Joined: Jun 7 2002
Good question, I've started a thread in the feminism forum here.

On the other hand, the trial, and media coverage is starting to turn into a circus, I'm concerned that we're possibly looking at a mistrial.


Boom Boom
Offline
Joined: Dec 29 2004
A mistrial is probably the best outcome for Black - but wouldn't this simply result in a new trial?

marzo
Offline
Joined: Feb 14 2006

[ 21 March 2007: Message edited by: marzo ]


marzo
Offline
Joined: Feb 14 2006

[ 21 March 2007: Message edited by: marzo ]


pookie
Offline
Joined: Dec 13 2005
Why the edit, marzo?

Doug
Offline
Joined: Apr 17 2001
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal:

Michelle! Are you saying that Blatchford just wants to be spanked by Barbara Amiel?? Yikes! [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

Handcuffed first, I would think.

[ 22 March 2007: Message edited by: Doug ]


siren
Offline
Joined: Nov 21 2004
This is an interesting article on the trial by Naomi Campbell: Conrad Black is on trial in a nation that loathes its elites

The jury selection process shows how regular Americans now regard the wealthiest few not as heroes but as thieves

Naomi Klein
Friday March 23, 2007
The Guardian

First for its elucidation of Black's (and undoubtedly Harper) concept of the Anglosphere:

quote:Although the consolidation of the Anglosphere as a political bloc receives far less scrutiny than US military interventions, it has been a crucial plank of Washington's imperial projects. The movement recently gained some notoriety when it emerged that on February 28 the White House had hosted a "literary luncheon" for George Bush and Dick Cheney's new favourite writer, ultra-right British historian Andrew Roberts, author of A History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900, an Anglosphere manifesto. But it is Black who has been the linchpin of Anglosphere campaigns for two decades, using his British and Canadian newspapers to reach out and collectively hug his beloved US. In Britain, this took the form of using the Daily Telegraph as a beachhead against "Euro-integrationism" and insisting that Britain's future lies not with the EU but with Washington. This vision reached its zenith, of course, with the Bush-Blair team-up in Iraq.

and for its peek into the class anger (apparently) felt by a random selection of Americans, the potential jurors:

quote:But in 2007, Black came face to face with the casualties of the boom's collapse and of the ideological revolution he so aggressively globalised. As the judge questioned a pool of 140 prospective jurors in order to whittle the group down to 12, plus eight alternates, she found men and women who had "lost every dime" in the WorldCom collapse, whose pensions had evaporated on the stock market, who had been fired thanks to outsourcing, and who'd had their finances ravaged by identity theft.

Asked what they thought of executives who earn tens of millions of dollars, jurors answered almost uniformly in the negative. "Who could possibly do that much work or be that much capable?" one asked. A mechanic's apprentice pointed out that no matter how much he works, "I'm barely getting by as it is, living at home". No one said: "More power to you."

Many appeared to regard North America's ultra-rich the way Russians see their oligarchs - even if the way they amassed their fortunes was legal, it shouldn't have been. "I just don't think anyone should get that amount of money from any company, example Enron and WorldCom," one juror wrote. Others said: "I feel that there is corruption everywhere"; anyone paid as much as Black "probably stole it"; "I am sure this goes on all the time and I hope they get caught". John Tien, a 40-year-old accountant at Boeing, launched into such an elaborate lecture about the accounting scams endemic in corporate America that Black's lawyers asked the judge to question him in private, to prevent his views from influencing the other potential jurors.


siren
Offline
Joined: Nov 21 2004
A review of the book by Andrew Roberts, A History of the English-Speaking Peoples Since 1900 from amazon

quote:From Publishers Weekly
The English-speaking nations—America, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the West Indies—are a "decent, honest, generous, fair-minded and self-sacrificing imperium" and "the last, best hope for Mankind," argues this jingoistic peroration. Roberts (Napoleon and Wellington) treats them as a political-cultural unity, thriving on respect for law and property, laissez-faire capitalism and the Protestant ethic, and standing together against Nazism, communism and Islamic terrorism. (Ireland is the black sheep—backward, unruly, pro-fascist and Catholic.) His rambling, disjointed survey celebrates their achievements in science, technology, sports and Big Macs, but the book is mainly an apologia for an allegedly benign Anglo-American imperialism. The author defends virtually every 20th-century British or American military adventure, from the conquest of the Philippines to the Vietnam War, finishing with a lengthy justification of the invasion of Iraq; his villains are domestic critics and leftist intellectuals whom he calls "appeasers" and who sap the English-speaking peoples' resolve by propagandizing for totalitarianism (also Mel Gibson, whose anti-British movies sabotage English-speaking peoples' solidarity). Roberts writes in a bluff, Tory style, mixing bombast with jocular Briticisms like a running leitmotif of whimsical geopolitical wagers placed at London clubs. Lively but unsystematic, sometimes insightful but always one-sided, this is less a history than a chest-thumping conservative polemic. 16 pages of b&w photos, 2 maps. (Feb. 6)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.


There are other reviews at amazon that are more celebratory, but hey, less amusing.


Sharon
Offline
Joined: May 10 2003
Don't ask if I'm surprised to see the kind of imagery that Christie Blatchford uses in her column about the trial today. I'm not surprised but find that I'm still somewhat shocked.

quote:After all, the new witness was Richard Burt, the former long-time Hollinger International board and audit committee member and former U.S. assistant secretary of state, U.S. ambassador and chief arms-control negotiator.

Lean and elegant, Mr. Burt has a certain cachet that was lacking, say, in his immediate predecessor on the witness stand, a little dumpling of a chartered accountant and audit partner with KPMG Canada, Marilyn Stitt.

Ms. Stitt's testimony I found nothing shy of bizarre.

On day one, she described how in the early part of 2002, she was going through some documents at Hollinger International and noticed something awry: The company had made $80-million in non-competition payments to various executives, including Lord Black, two years earlier when Hollinger sold off most of its Canadian newspapers to CanWest Global Communications Corp., but these payments hadn't been publicly disclosed as required.

Her knickers clearly in a knot, she marched into the office of Jack Boultbee, then the company's chief financial officer and now a defendant here, and told him the payments had to be disclosed in the 2001 annual report.

Right here


Michelle
Offline
Joined: May 10 2001
quote:Originally posted by siren:
This is an interesting article on the trial by Naomi Campbell:

Awesome typo! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] (Or, I guess that would be a "braino". I wish I'd come up with "braino".)


siren
Offline
Joined: Nov 21 2004
quote:Originally posted by Michelle:
Awesome typo! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] (Or, I guess that would be a "braino". I wish I'd come up with "braino".)

It took me a few minutes to figure out what was wrong. Now, I see: Naomi Campbell is a SuperModel Who Throws Stuff.

What can I say; I'm in Alberta and I refuse to type "Klein". Those days are over, banished, never to re-Klein.

Still, it's an interesting commentary on a cross section of the American public... I mean the article by K...n, not the SuperModel Who Throws Stuff.

Especially in comparison to Blatchford's column as Sharon excerpts.

quote:...a little dumpling of a chartered accountant and audit partner with KPMG Canada...

Blatchford? Pot? Kettle? The condition of your panties, Ms. Blatchford?


jester
Offline
Joined: Jan 18 2006
There is a Conrad Black thread started by Sharon here regarding the salacious book excerpted in the Brit papers.

Lord Money and Atilla the Honey.

[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] edited for speeling.

[ 25 April 2007: Message edited by: jester ]


jester
Offline
Joined: Jan 18 2006
quote:Originally posted by kropotkin1951:
What I find sad however is he will never be tried for the real crime against canadian society that him and Rat-boy committed. They made their initial fortunes by buying up community papers and firing most of the staff. They gutted the journalistic integrity of most of Canada's small town papers before moving to bigger papers. That to me was their biggest crime.

But if they can only get sent to jail for stealing money from other capitalists then so be it thow the book at them.

I am most incensed at Lord Crossdresser of Safe Harbour for pillaging the Dominion Stores pension fund but I guess that isn't a crime in Canada. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]


Erik Redburn
Offline
Joined: Feb 26 2004
Of course it's a crime but his destruction of a half way independent press was slightly more costly for the rest of us.

jester
Offline
Joined: Jan 18 2006
I'm not disputing the loss of an independent press or his lordship's nasty treatment of employees. The rolleyes was directed at the fact that corporations can legally pillage employee's pension plans to this day.

Others have also shortchanged pension plans but Conrad is just so smarmy about it.He deserves every bit of schadenfreude directed his way. Both he and his floosy. Itis my fondest wish that they end up with all their posessions in a shared shopping cat. The rusty one with the bad wheel that keeps going sideways.

[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]


Doug
Offline
Joined: Apr 17 2001
The Smithers to Conrad Black's Mr. Burns has just spilled the beans.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/211610


John K
Offline
Joined: Nov 30 2002
Black and his co-defendants have the best legal counsel money can buy, no doubt. The cross examination is going to be brutal.

But what I think this case will turn on for the jury is this. If David Radler - with his 40-year track record as Lord Tubby's loyal sycophant - is guilty, how can Conrad Black not be at least equally guilty if not moreso?


Noops
Offline
Joined: Feb 15 2005
This case like all other big name cases will come down to who is the best performing lawyer(s).
(Think OJ).

Does anyone here know what Greenspan's track record is wrt to big cases like this?

How many has he lost? What's his win/loss record?
(big name cases only)


marzo
Offline
Joined: Feb 14 2006
Lord Black and Lady Black are too expensive for this world. Feed them to the bears.

Tommy_Paine
Offline
Joined: Apr 22 2001
quote:Originally posted by Noops:
This case like all other big name cases will come down to who is the best performing lawyer(s).
(Think OJ).

Does anyone here know what Greenspan's track record is wrt to big cases like this?

How many has he lost? What's his win/loss record?
(big name cases only)


Not sure about his won loss record. I do remember he deffended Robert Lattimer. For a moment I thought he represented Guy Paul Morin at the second trial, but I'm almost certain now that was Clayton Ruby.

I do believe it was Greenspan who slandered all of us on the left a few years back with vague and unsubstantiated accusations of anti-semitism, but then again, maybe that was Clayton Ruby.

Gad, I forget. Help me here, someone.


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Login or register to post comments