I Can't Believe There Isn't a Conrad Black Thread

Personalities and conspicuious consumption aside, I still don't get why someone should go to jail for 100 years because he got paid to not open some kind of business. If someone said they give me a million to not open a hot dog stand, I'd take it.

In this case though. Who said they were suppose to be paid into the company account?

The owners of the bought papers? Why would they care? ( And I won't even mention the american government around here)

Sorry... not making the connection...in Blacks case it seems somebody paid him just to stay away.

are you sure?

quote: I continue to be amazed that so many Canadians don't think that white collar crime is actually criminal. Sad to say, but our neighbors to the south take white collar crime much more seriously than Canada does.

I would guess that most Canadian citizens think white collar crime is appalling, just as Americans do.

However, we have a parliamentary system whose primary duty is to promote and protect the wealthy. This is why the wealthy spend so much time and money buying politicians, so that their criminal propensities, at best, are not even regarded as crime, or if it is, to make sure that police forces don't have the personpower, training or budgets to investigate such crimes.

That's why Former Ontario Conservative President Alan Eagleson had to be brought down in the States, and that's why Conrad Black is being charged there instead of in Canada.

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quote: In Black's case, the purchasers of his newspapers paid all the shareholders of the company for the company to stay away and Black kept the money that all the shareholders were entitled to. Thats theft and fraud.

And here's where Greenspan really misses the best deffence for Black.

The shareholders, who did their due dillegence, obviously invested in Conrad Black because they belived his occaisonal confusion over what belongs to him and others would work to their advantage.

The Dominion workers pension debacle was, after all, public knowledge.

Hollanger shareholders signed on with an established thief on the belief that he'd do his stealing from others and not them.

I say Caveat Emptor to Hollanger shareholders, and well, it looks good on them.

Can just picture Amiel unbolting the chandeliers and sconces .... well, watching someone well paid to do so. Imagine she took the draperies as well. And of course, all the light bulbs.

quote:Were the chandeliers Lady Black's to take?
Agent in $10.5-million deal got an earful

PAUL WALDIE
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
May 12, 2007 at 1:06 AM EDT

Chicago — Conrad Black had such a hard time selling his New York apartment in 2005 that he screamed at his real-estate agent and faced allegations his wife, Barbara Amiel, should not have shipped out five chandeliers.

“There were things that disappeared that weren't supposed to be taken,” Lord Black's real-estate agent, Patricia Patterson, said in a deposition filed in a New York court this week. “I called Lord Black. I did not frankly want to speak to her [Lady Black]. She is the one who took them out.”

The court documents portray a nasty spat between the Blacks and New York developer Martin Berman and his wife, Phyllis. The Bermans eventually paid $10.5-million (U.S.) for the Park Avenue property but only after weeks of delays. The filings show that Lord Black became so angry at one point he left Ms. Patterson furious voice mails.
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quote: The Dominion workers pension debacle was, after all, public knowledge.

Hollanger shareholders signed on with an established thief on the belief that he'd do his stealing from others and not them.

I say Caveat Emptor to Hollanger shareholders, and well, it looks good on them.

Well Tommy, not to put too fine a point on it, all minority shareholders in all corporations, sign on with the insiders of a corporation in the (vain) hope that the insiders will do their stealing from others.
It is incumbent upon the law to protect minority shareholders from theft and fraud from insiders but it is not incumbent upon the law to protect shareholders from their own greed or stupidity.

As far as the Dominion Stores workers' pensions are concerned,Canada still does not give support to defined benefits pension plans as opposed to defined contributions plans. What Lord Crossdresser of the Rural Train Stop did was beneath contempt. It shows the depths he will sink to support his vanity and I include his skanky wife in his vanities.

quote:Originally posted by Ward:
Sorry... not making the connection...in Blacks case it seems somebody paid him just to stay away.

No somebody paid him for Hollinger to stay away.

Not really.

Win lose or draw, how many weeks after the verdict do you suppose we will hear of Conrad Blackadder sueing his legal team?

And onto the topic of Barbara Amiel, I had the misfortune to be bored and in a waiting room recently, and a Maclean's was sitting there. I forget from which month. BA is writing about her, what she calls, "Gorgeous Stepdaughter" or "GS". Who was recently awoken in her Chicago hotel by big burly manly men (about a dozen of them, all over 6' tall BA was sure in mentioning, practically batting her eyes in a "Have I done anything wrong, officer?" tone) and, with no explanation, began searching her room. BA described the Gorgeous Stepdaughter as tall, 24, and wearing "short shorts and a tiny tank top" who let them in, then stumbled back to sleep, until they awoke her again saying they had to search the bed and mattress she was lying on.

BA went on to say that she was certain this stunt was manufactured by Conrad's "detractors" for some vile reason or another. The "GS" later got a call from the hotel saying that they "profusely" apologized, but that VP Dick Cheney was in the room beside her and this was standard procedure.

BA ends the article by saying that her GS must have been quite a treat for the Secret Service men to watch while doing their work, describing her sexual desireability.

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There's so much wrong with this article it's beyond my brain. But I'll begin with WTF?!?!?

My first theory is that since BA is getting older, as discussed upthread, this is still the only way she can describe how a woman of her class status exists.

My second theory is: icky yicky.

[ 20 May 2007: Message edited by: bigcitygal ]

quote:Originally posted by jester:
Dick Cheney in the cell next to Conrad is most likely too much to expect.

Ask unionist to pray about, God seems to be listening to him at the moment, as he got his May 1st prayer answered regarding Falwell. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img]

quote:CHICAGO -- Behold the tattered bankers' boxes at last.

There they sit at the front of the courtroom within view of the jury in Conrad Black's fraud and racketeering trial, 13 cardboard boxes of documents piled high on a prosecution trolley.

How the notorious things have travelled.

They were the infamous stars of a security video that played around the world in May 2005, the colour digital film of the besieged press baron, looking like some midnight burglar, personally schlepping the boxes out the back door of 10 Toronto St. after being told to evict the premises by month's end.

Trouble was, of course, that there was a certain Canadian court order at the time which prevented anyone -- even Lord Black of Crossharbour -- from removing any property from the Hollinger Inc. headquarters without authorization of a court inspector probing whether Black and others had swindled millions of dollars from the company.

But what Black wanted, Black was used to getting.

And if his minions couldn't get the job done, well it seemed he was willing to get his hands dirty and do it himself.

Lord Tubby the Late Night Burglar

I think Lord Tubby would look rather good in orange coveralls. Don't ya think?

I'm so glad this dumbass is in jail, and that the National Post is bankrupct.

Had his ideas prevailed in English Canada there is no doubt in my mind we would have had a civil war in Canada.

 

Myths of the Quiet Revolution

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2501875

 

funny coincidence; I wrote Black after I read that piece and pointed out a factual error,

and , ignoring my data, he replied: I am quite right and you are quite wrong...

-- unassuming as ever!

(Oh yeah, the data issue was: if "a million people" were chased out of Quebec by nationalists in the 1970s, then mathematically, how can you explain that the federal census showed about a half-million more people (+450,000) in Quebec in 1981 than there had been in 1971? )