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An interesting article with an anti-racist analysis of white American families adopting Chinese babies.
quote:If I were to add to my general rule about adoption-related items, there would be a clause prohibiting adoption books in which the adoptive parent speaks for the adopted child.
From the book “A Forever Family”:
"I knew this was the family I had been waiting for all my life. A beautiful brown-eyed baby girl awaits adoption in an orphanage in China. She dreams about her “Forever Family” every day. Her dream finally comes true when she is adopted by an American family. Join with her as she discovers hope and a new future."
Dreams come true in China, you see.
I have a lot of difficulty with the lingo used in the adoption community because I think many commonly-used terms have meanings and implications that demand exploration.
Forever Family vs. the Momentary Family: Because the child dreams of the Forever Family, what does that say about the Momentary Family? What if the child were to dream about his or her first family? What if the child doesn’t want an American family?
(snip)
China Mom vs. Mom: “China Mom” is one of those instances of using a racialized descriptor when race is not the defining characteristic. It’s also a little too close to “Chinaman” for me. But it isn’t just “China moms” who cannot parent their children.
I often wonder if China is such a popular country for adoption because the physical distance makes the emotional distance possible. Much in the same way words can put emotional distance between parents and children. And the way white adoptive parents can put distance between themselves and communities of color.
quote:I often wonder if China is such a popular country for adoption because the physical distance makes the emotional distance possible. Much in the same way words can put emotional distance between parents and children. And the way white adoptive parents can put distance between themselves and communities of color.
The reason china is popular is because there are babies available. From what I hear, it's hard to adopt. If I were to adopt, I would adopt a baby. And china is one of the few options for that. Somebody has to take care of these kids. Or should they stay in state-run care for all their childhood, like the Duplessis orphans?
And since you're against interracial adoption bigcitygal, should an agnostic sephardic jew of morrocan-tunisian descent like myself be allowed to adopt, or should it be criminal for me to adopt? Because I doubt there are many kids of my ethnicity available for adoption.
Anyhow, I'm a long way off from that kind of decision, but I like to believe I'd raise the kid as my own.
500, did you read the link? I posted most of it in the OP, but I did leave some stuff out.
Specifically, did you read the part about "owning" a child, that's been "purchased"? The notion of children as commodity? The author doesn't go into this in a huge way, but the idea is that privileged white parents in the West/North feel entitled to raise children, and then entitled to just go and "get" a child/baby from whatever country they choose. It's highly problematic, and grounded in First World privilege. Shall we go a level deeper and examine the role of the West in contributing to impoverishment in poorer countries, thereby producing the effects that there are poor children without parents?
And why do so many people want to adopt babies, rather than children? So that they get a baby that's, and please excuse how disrespectful this sounds, a "blank slate"? Not a young child who's survived war and poverty, they would be, what, "tainted"? This of course has NOTHING to do with what's best for the child, by the way, and all about ego and ownership and control. There are children all over the world without parents. Adoption by parents from the West/North may not, in fact, be what's best for them.
The guise of "Look how nice and generous we've been, proven by the expense and effort we've gone through to get you, Baby" is crap. Paternalistic, entitled, colonialist, and in the case of babies of colour, racist, crap.
Read up on adult transracial adoptees why dontcha? Stuff I've read of people in their 20s and 30s is pretty intense and fraught with issues they'll have to deal with all their lives. In Their Own Voices: Transracial Adoptees Tell Their Stories
I'm not calling for a stop to transracial adoptions, although this could eventually be a position I hold. I'm asking babblers to critically look at this issue, from an anti-racist perspective.
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal: And why do so many people want to adopt babies, rather than children? So that they get a baby that's, and please excuse how disrespectful this sounds, a "blank slate"? Not a young child who's survived war and poverty, they would be, what, "tainted"? This of course has NOTHING to do with what's best for the child, by the way, and all about ego and ownership and control. There are children all over the world without parents. Adoption by parents from the West/North may not, in fact, be what's best for them.
I'll read the other links later.
I think the prefference for a baby is that it might be easier. You get to know the child, instead of inheriting all this stuff you know nothing about and are not equiped to deal with. I think if I started with a four year old I'd probably fuck it up. That's not what our evolutionary instincts are fine-tuned for.
A friend's brother wanted to adopt a chinese baby (he's wasp). Apparently he could not because he was gay (or maybe because he was single?). I'm not sure if that was China's or Canada's restriction. I understand why he wanted a baby, it would be his first child and he might want to watch and enjoy every step of the child development process.
I start with the assumption that child-rearing is very much a selfish act. The natural instinct is to spread your genes - how much more selfish can you get? Adoption is an emergent alternative. I'm not surprised it has the same underlying selfishness.
I agree with you that adoption from north/west is not necessarily the best option. But perhaps it is the best option available.
quote:Originally posted by 500_Apples: You get to know the child, instead of inheriting all this stuff you know nothing about and are not equiped to deal with.
Within the trans-racial abductee community, many parents are shocked to find that they have in fact inherited a pile of stuff they knew nothing about and were not equiped to deal with. One telling example is "Our son, a stranger : adoption breakdown and its effect on parents / Marie Adams". Although I generally despise this book, as it only presents the parents story of how they were victimized by their angry, rebellious and often mentally ill or criminal children, it does outline how the complexities of trans-racial adoption take parents by surprize.
I think the issue here is the impulse that motivates westerners to adoption of third-world babies. bcg mentioned colonialism, which is exactly the logic at work here. White parents need to "save" Chinese babies for themselves. The article in the OP hits on an interesting point, where the writer states that
quote:I often wonder if China is such a popular country for adoption because the physical distance makes the emotional distance possible.
This statement made me consider interracial adoption as a fetishization of babies of colour in order to compensate for the larger narrative of white privilege, guilt and so on. An adoption of a Chinese baby is a relatively easy way to dissolve psychically the systemic inequality and symbolically integrate two races while not actually doing anything at all. In fact, the onerous bureaucracy that makes Chinese adoption "difficult" just valourizes the effort that much more, even though it's not difficult, just time-consuming. Clearly, by burdening a baby with this kind of fetishization, you laden the child with irreconcilable baggage, on top of the already impossibility of white parents truly understanding what it's like to be a POC in America.
Although, I am tempted to say that interracial adoption is possible, but I question under what terms it would be. How does it compare to a single father raising a woman? Is that a reasonable, though less intense analogy?
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal: Excuse me? Martha, if you're joking, that's not funny.
Consider the following two concepts: transracial adoption, and miscegenation. Both concepts depend on the highly problematic concept of race and of racial essentialism.
quote:Originally posted by Makwa: Within the trans-racial abductee [sic] community, many parents are shocked to find that they have in fact inherited a pile of stuff they knew nothing about and were not equiped to deal with.
The same is true with intraracial adoptions. In fact, the same often happens with ordinary biological children.
quote:Originally posted by Catchfire: This statement made me consider interracial adoption as a fetishization of babies of colour in order to compensate for the larger narrative of white privilege, guilt and so on.
A similar fetishization is likely in place in some cases of transracial romance. But, despite the fact that some transracial romances involve this, I would not argue that there's something necessarily wrong with transracial romances.
I think this is definitely a very important issue and agree with bigcitygal that there are some hard questions that need to be asked.
Overseas adoption has become a billion dollar industry. These babies are certainly treated like commodities by agents, go betweens and lawyers. There is also a thriving black market.
Although an older article, it provides lots of details of how the business of baby trading is conducted:
The article is very sympathetic to the plight of the predominantly white, affluent married couples looking to adopt which is bothersome. The role of birth mothers and their children is reduced to producer and product. And these agencies, lawyers and prospective parents are circumventing social and cultural concerns that limit transracial adoptions in North America.
There is definitely a shortage of indepth analysis of this issue. One commonality that seems to be ignored is that poverty is a key factor in both domestic and overseas adoptions.
quote:Originally posted by Martha (but not Stewart):
Consider the following two concepts: transracial adoption, and miscegenation. Both concepts depend on the highly problematic concept of race and of racial essentialism.
However problematic the concept of race may be (and I hve found, not assuming anything about your social location, Martha, that white people have the biggest "problem" with the concept of race), cultural differences do exist, especially across the colour line. When the power only flows in one directions, as it does here in the colonized, stolen West/North, we have ourselves a set-up of affluent white het couples having access to children all over the world. Whether it's characterized as fetishization, ownership, modern-day kidnapping, or all of those things, it needs to be critically examined.
Racism does exist and it can't be argued away with an intellectual argument. It isn't "essentialist" to talk about racism. I agree with you, Martha, that race is socially constructed. Nonetheless, racism and colonialism are inherent in the, as laine lowe has indicated, international and billion dollar industry of transracial adoptees/abductees.
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal: However problematic the concept of race may be (and I hve found, not assuming anything about your social location, Martha, that white people have the biggest "problem" with the concept of race),
Though my own social location is not relevant to the cogency of my claims, it might explain my own personal point of view to point out that I have ancestors from Europe, Africa and Asia. I have never identified myself "racially" -- am I white? black? Asian?
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal: cultural differences do exist, especially across the colour line.
Cultural differences exist both across and within colour lines. Culturally, I have more in common with my peer group of Torontonian university students than I do with my distant African relatives and my less distant Carribean cousins. But, if we are talking about adopting babies, we should bear in mind that babies have no culture. Culture is learned, not acquired genetically.
There are problems, I agree, with first world couples -- het or not -- adopting children from much poorer countries, whether or not this is across colour lines. There can be plenty of fetishization and commodification involved when a white het middle-class Canadian couple adopts a Romanian or Russian baby, or when a black het middle-class Canadian couple adopts a Congoan baby. Any comodification and fetishization of human beings needs to be critically examined.
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal: Racism does exist and it can't be argued away with an intellectual argument. It isn't "essentialist" to talk about racism.
I agree that racism exists and that it isn't essentialist to talk about racism. But I fear that it borders on essentialism to claim that transracial adoption is "transracial abduction" (in Makwa's words). Intraracial adoption can be equally problematic, and interracial adoption can, properly carried out, be relatively unproblematic. The problem is with objectification/fetishization/commidification, regardless of whether the adoption is intra- or interracial.
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal: I agree with you, Martha, that race is socially constructed. Nonetheless, racism and colonialism are inherent in the, as laine lowe has indicated, international and billion dollar industry of transracial adoptees/abductees.
I agree that one might ask some hard questions of adoptive parents, beginning with this: Why a Chinese baby? Why a Guatemalan baby? Why a North American baby?
One last remark: If a white het middle class couple insisted on a white baby, turning down opportunities to adopt, say, a black baby, I would also be a little concerned.
quote: I refer to trans-racial adoption as trans-racial abduction. 'nuff said.
No it isn't. 'Nuff said.
Actually, it isn't enough to just state your opinion in that sort of preemptory fashion; babble is interesting when we go beyond just shouting what we "know".
Since I don't think rights and wrongs are determined by the race of the person doing them, I couldn't agree that a white person commits abduction when legally adopting a baby, while a native person doesn't.
To have a society organized that way, you'd have to have racial laws.
I would say that it is important for a baby to be brought up in his or her own culture, to the extent possible. So as long as people from within the culture step up to the plate, they should have an extra advantage in being able to adopt.
But it would have to be fact-based, not based on a racial ideology. We know where that leads.
This statement made me consider interracial adoption as a fetishization of babies of colour in order to compensate for the larger narrative of white privilege, guilt and so on. An adoption of a Chinese baby is a relatively easy way to dissolve psychically the systemic inequality and symbolically integrate two races while not actually doing anything at all. In fact, the onerous bureaucracy that makes Chinese adoption "difficult" just valourizes the effort that much more, even though it's not difficult, just time-consuming. Clearly, by burdening a baby with this kind of fetishization, you laden the child with irreconcilable baggage, on top of the already impossibility of white parents truly understanding what it's like to be a POC in America. [/QB]
I think you underestimate how this is true of nearly all parents.
My parents were immigrants and grew up in a different country and time (they were 42 and 49 when I was born). They don't really have any idea what my world was like.
The same, I notice, is true for so many parents. The kids are differently religious, have different aims... etc. I think it's quasi-univeral for parents not to be able to relate to kids. I'm surprised you would point to this racial aspect like it's something out of the ordinary.
Hey Jingles, as hilarious as that comment is, how about you stay the hell out of this thread unless you have something to actually contribute to the discussion? And I say this as the moderator.
Is domestic and international adoption as popular in Europe as it is in North America? From the little information I could find, non-familiy/community adoption seems to coincide with the growth and development of North America. The first Children's Aid Society was opened by Charles Loring Brace in NYC sometime in the 19th Century. Nuns also founded foundling houses about that time. NYC and other port cities were teeming with newly arrived immigrants and there was a scarcity of employment. IOW, conditions of extreme poverty were prevalent and the religiously inclined felt the need to do something about dirty, hungry "street urchins". This coincided with the openning of the West and the growth of the railways where trains carried these city orphans to rural foster homes where extra hands were welcomed into the household. Historically, orphans certainly seem to be more or less second class citizens who were unfortunately born to poor parents.
This economic power dynamic still persists and taints the whole practice of adoption IMO. It is mired in a patriarchal and philanthropic approach to dealing with the underlying issues of poverty and racism.
This excerpt is not about adoption (it focuses on a reform school for girls) but it does reflect the attitude of children's aid agencies who intervened to help disadvantaged children. Obviously, we have progressed as a society since earlier days but we have failed to address the underlying causes that give rise to adoption.
quote:When industrial schools were initially proposed in late nineteenth-century Canada, they were perceived to be a common solution for the neglected and delinquent working-class boy of the urban slums and for the Aboriginal boy in need of similar education, discipline, and moral and vocational training.1 This undertaking briefly encapsulated the twinned aims of Canada's nation-building project: to civilize and acculturate both the poor and the colonized to middle-class, Western, white and Anglo norms. As John Comaroff and Jean Comaroff remark of nineteenth-century British imperialism, the taming of the "uncivilised and immoral" indigenous African and British slum dweller were overlapping projects, with the "primitive and the pauper" seen as "one in spirit. . . . the sacred task of the colonizing mission was to reconstruct the home lives of both" by inculcating in their daily lives the bourgeois values of "modern domesticity."
While granting the historical specificity of various reform and colonial projects, this designation aptly captures the spirit of twentieth-century Canadian efforts such as industrial and residential schools, domestic science and sexual purity training for working-class and Native girls, settlement house and missionary proselytizing of the immigrant and Aboriginal.3 In the case of both the working-class and Native peoples, the state, voluntarist reformers, and the informal regulatory web of family, the church, and schools all played an important role in these attempts to "manage the marginal."4 Yet, these nation-building projects also diverged, their agendas, means and outcome shaped by different social relations and politics of class, race, and colonialism. While unequal power relations characterized both endeavors, the dispossession of Native peoples from their lands, their resulting social dislocation, and the political control expended by the federal Indian Act, as well as the denigrations of racism, also set the colonial project of assimilation apart.
This article explores the sentencing and incarceration of Aboriginal girls sent to the Ontario Training School for Girls (OTSG), a reform school created primarily to resocialize neglected and delinquent working-class girls perceived to be on the path to adult criminality. Native youth, on the other hand, were to be assimilated through residential schools, long associated with the colonial project of replacing the language, culture, and work skills of reserve children with "superior" Western and white values. Thus, the overall numbers of First Nations girls--both Aboriginal and Mйtis--in OTSG was small, but their increasing percentage of the school population after the late 1940s was very significant, mirroring the growing over-incarceration of Native peoples in post–World War II Canada, a trend that escalated even further in subsequent decades. It also exposed the state's increasingly interventionist approach to child welfare in Native communities, which resulted in more and more removals of Native children from their families, creating further conflicts--such as the destructive "sixties scoops"--still with us today.5
Actually, it isn't enough to just state your opinion in that sort of preemptory fashion; babble is interesting when we go beyond just shouting what we "know".
Since I don't think rights and wrongs are determined by the race of the person doing them, I couldn't agree that a white person commits abduction when legally adopting a baby, while a native person doesn't.
If the people doing the abduction get to write the laws. Don't forget adduction and enlsavement of Africans and FN peoples was aslo legal, according to the same Eurocentric laws. Do the laws respect the laws and traditions of the culture from which this children are being adducted from?
quote: To have a society organized that way, you'd have to have racial laws. [/QB]
We already have racial laws. The laws of this county were written with racial (Eurocentric) preferences.
quote: I would say that it is important for a baby to be brought up in his or her own culture, to the extent possible. So as long as people from within the culture step up to the plate, they should have an extra advantage in being able to adopt.
Hmm ok .. So by that logic. White kids should be abducted out from thier families. Since mainstream canada has failed to step up to the plate and properly educate thier offspring in how to end the racist, colonial and genocide of indigouse peoples.
Who gets to decide what stepping up to the plate is? Of course its the Eurocentric model that is supported, as opposed to respecting our cultures.
On a separate but related note. The concept of babies being born as a blank slate also does not respect other cultures, whose world view includes re-incarnation and spiritual knowledge transfer.
Always proud of the ancient wisdom, which our ancestors continue to reveal to us.
Afro Healer, thanks for that post. Eurocentrism of Canadian culture is often invisible to those within it.
As for the "blank slate" comment, that was me, and I did put it in quotes, and I did flag that it would sound offensive.
I do respect the belief that children are born with a cultural connection, even though this is not a belief that I hold. Thank you for what you said about this point. It's something I need to do more thinking, talking and reading about.
quote:Originally posted by Makwa: I refer to trans-racial adoption as trans-racial abduction. 'nuff said.
quote:Originally posted by bigcitygal: Yeah, I hear you Makwa. It is abduction.
I don't understand this. What about multi-racial people? Should a person with Chinese, white and FN ancestry not adopt a person with Hispanic and African ancestry?
quote:Originally posted by 500_Apples: Sven, BCG posted some informative links.
Right. I read them. They have nothing to do with the issue of whether transmultiracial adoptions should or should not occur (i.e., whether such adoptions are "abductions").
I find there are some valid viewpoints on both sides expressed here. I am pretty much of the opinion that giving any orphaned child anywhere a chance at a better life is a good thing. If you do not believe that a life in Canada is more desireable than life in some third word shithole, I would ask you where and how you would prefer to live: As a member of a family in a prosperous nation, or as a superfluous orphan in a miserable and poverty-stricken third-world country? There is no one else who will take these (mostly female) children in, in many cases, remember?
This being said as my opinion, I would also say that the evil side of trans-racial adoption will not go away anytime soon. As long as there are unscrupulous people involved in the baby trade for profit ONLY, there will be shadowy trans-racial adoptions and a black market for them.
Only ALSO please consider: I have an Xian friend who has adopted two beautiful baby girls from an Xian organization in China over the past ten years. They cost him and his wife about $20000 each. I realize this was a callous way to put it, and I apologise for it, but this $40000 or so goes to ensuring better food, living conditions and health care for the rest of the (mostly female) orphans cared for by the organizations running the orphanages. Is that such a bad thing?
quote:Originally posted by Atavist: I am pretty much of the opinion that giving any orphaned child anywhere a chance at a better life is a good thing. If you do not believe that a life in Canada is more desireable than life in some third word shithole, I would ask you where and how you would prefer to live: As a member of a family in a prosperous nation, or as a superfluous orphan in a miserable and poverty-stricken third-world country?
These are exactly the same arguments used for the sixties-scoop kids who were stolen in massive numbers from reservations all over Canada, and which contributed significantly to the ongoing cultural genocide of FN peoples. If rich, racist westerners cannot conceive of other countries and FN territories as other than 'shitholes', then it is a simple step of logic to rationalize the blatent purchasing of 'beautiful' baby children as objects to alleviate their selfish needs to see themselves as productive families. However well these children may find themselves treated, given that they have been reduced to commodities, it is little different than slave owners who claimed that they treated their house 'servents' with love and affection as family members.
quote:Originally posted by AfroHealer: On a separate but related note. The concept of babies being born as a blank slate also does not respect other cultures, whose world view includes re-incarnation and spiritual knowledge transfer.
Thanks for bringing up this point, AfroHealer. Cree elders teach us that we are influenced by seven generations of ancestors and will influence seven future generations in our time. It is the responsiblity of the elders and story tellers of the community to teach young people about their ancestors so that they can understand the significance of that influence, as well as teach them about their clans and their colours. Moreover there are significant ceremonial functions which are considered necessary for FN children to undertake. If this knowledge and ceremony is lost to transracial abduction, the person is considered to be unable to achieve complete spiritual and personal growth, often resulting in serious psychological and social problems. Of course this doesn't even touch on the theft of history, language, relations etc.
I realize that I opened this post with a simple and blunt message. I wanted to wait before I posted more comprehensive discussion, mostly because the topic is particularly painful to me, and partly because I felt a stark simple statement felt good by itself.
I have seen some remarkable discussion here, and some of the same tired rationalizations from the same names, but overall it has been a broadening discussion, and I am grateful to see it open up.
Since you mean "third world" rather than "third word" I will tell you this, as the moderator: This is racist language and I won't allow it in the anti-racism forum. Stop it. Now.
quote:Atavist: superfluous orphan in a miserable and poverty-stricken third-world country?
This is on the border of being racist, since in fact many people in developing/third world countries (notice how the language itself is comparative and demeaning?) live in poverty. However, many people in the so-called developed/First world live in poverty as well. Your phrasing, esp the use of the word "misreable", reinforces Eurocentric liberal notions of "those poor souls living in such dire conditions. Let's pity them. Awww.". Blech.
Comparing a life of poverty to a life of relative wealth, it may seem obvious that anyone, including progressives, would choose the former. There's tons of problems with this framework. First of all, not all orphans can be "saved" in this manner. What about the non-adopted ones? Tough shit for them? I don't support that. Plus, what this framework doesn't cover is the notion of culture, identity and belonging being stolen from the child, as the child is stolen from his/her culture and extended family/community.
Again, summoning patience, I'm looking to have an anti-racist discussion on the phenomenon of affluent white parents-to-be from the north/west having access to children of colour around the world, but mostly in the globalized south and east.
quote:Atavist: They cost him and his wife about $20000 each. I realize this was a callous way to put it, and I apologise for it, but this $40000 or so goes to ensuring better food, living conditions and health care for the rest of the (mostly female) orphans cared for by the organizations running the orphanages. Is that such a bad thing?
quote:BCG from upthread: The guise of "Look how nice and generous we've been, proven by the expense and effort we've gone through to get you, Baby" is crap. Paternalistic, entitled, colonialist, and in the case of babies of colour, racist, crap.
Waiting for all my life: from the blog Resist Racism
And if you're not joking, then I may release a torrent of information indicating how completely different the two are from each other.
The reason china is popular is because there are babies available. From what I hear, it's hard to adopt. If I were to adopt, I would adopt a baby. And china is one of the few options for that. Somebody has to take care of these kids. Or should they stay in state-run care for all their childhood, like the Duplessis orphans?
And since you're against interracial adoption bigcitygal, should an agnostic sephardic jew of morrocan-tunisian descent like myself be allowed to adopt, or should it be criminal for me to adopt? Because I doubt there are many kids of my ethnicity available for adoption.
Anyhow, I'm a long way off from that kind of decision, but I like to believe I'd raise the kid as my own.
[ 25 May 2007: Message edited by: 500_Apples ]
Specifically, did you read the part about "owning" a child, that's been "purchased"? The notion of children as commodity? The author doesn't go into this in a huge way, but the idea is that privileged white parents in the West/North feel entitled to raise children, and then entitled to just go and "get" a child/baby from whatever country they choose. It's highly problematic, and grounded in First World privilege. Shall we go a level deeper and examine the role of the West in contributing to impoverishment in poorer countries, thereby producing the effects that there are poor children without parents?
And why do so many people want to adopt babies, rather than children? So that they get a baby that's, and please excuse how disrespectful this sounds, a "blank slate"? Not a young child who's survived war and poverty, they would be, what, "tainted"? This of course has NOTHING to do with what's best for the child, by the way, and all about ego and ownership and control. There are children all over the world without parents. Adoption by parents from the West/North may not, in fact, be what's best for them.
The guise of "Look how nice and generous we've been, proven by the expense and effort we've gone through to get you, Baby" is crap. Paternalistic, entitled, colonialist, and in the case of babies of colour, racist, crap.
Read up on adult transracial adoptees why dontcha? Stuff I've read of people in their 20s and 30s is pretty intense and fraught with issues they'll have to deal with all their lives. In Their Own Voices: Transracial Adoptees Tell Their Stories
This link's a bit more perky.Transracial Adoptees and Adopters give us their views. From Intermix.org.uk
I'm not calling for a stop to transracial adoptions, although this could eventually be a position I hold. I'm asking babblers to critically look at this issue, from an anti-racist perspective.
I'll read the other links later.
I think the prefference for a baby is that it might be easier. You get to know the child, instead of inheriting all this stuff you know nothing about and are not equiped to deal with. I think if I started with a four year old I'd probably fuck it up. That's not what our evolutionary instincts are fine-tuned for.
A friend's brother wanted to adopt a chinese baby (he's wasp). Apparently he could not because he was gay (or maybe because he was single?). I'm not sure if that was China's or Canada's restriction. I understand why he wanted a baby, it would be his first child and he might want to watch and enjoy every step of the child development process.
I start with the assumption that child-rearing is very much a selfish act. The natural instinct is to spread your genes - how much more selfish can you get? Adoption is an emergent alternative. I'm not surprised it has the same underlying selfishness.
I agree with you that adoption from north/west is not necessarily the best option. But perhaps it is the best option available.
This statement made me consider interracial adoption as a fetishization of babies of colour in order to compensate for the larger narrative of white privilege, guilt and so on. An adoption of a Chinese baby is a relatively easy way to dissolve psychically the systemic inequality and symbolically integrate two races while not actually doing anything at all. In fact, the onerous bureaucracy that makes Chinese adoption "difficult" just valourizes the effort that much more, even though it's not difficult, just time-consuming. Clearly, by burdening a baby with this kind of fetishization, you laden the child with irreconcilable baggage, on top of the already impossibility of white parents truly understanding what it's like to be a POC in America.
Although, I am tempted to say that interracial adoption is possible, but I question under what terms it would be. How does it compare to a single father raising a woman? Is that a reasonable, though less intense analogy?
Consider the following two concepts: transracial adoption, and miscegenation. Both concepts depend on the highly problematic concept of race and of racial essentialism.
The same is true with intraracial adoptions. In fact, the same often happens with ordinary biological children.
A similar fetishization is likely in place in some cases of transracial romance. But, despite the fact that some transracial romances involve this, I would not argue that there's something necessarily wrong with transracial romances.
Overseas adoption has become a billion dollar industry. These babies are certainly treated like commodities by agents, go betweens and lawyers. There is also a thriving black market.
Although an older article, it provides lots of details of how the business of baby trading is conducted:
Adoption: The World Baby Boom
The article is very sympathetic to the plight of the predominantly white, affluent married couples looking to adopt which is bothersome. The role of birth mothers and their children is reduced to producer and product. And these agencies, lawyers and prospective parents are circumventing social and cultural concerns that limit transracial adoptions in North America.
There is definitely a shortage of indepth analysis of this issue. One commonality that seems to be ignored is that poverty is a key factor in both domestic and overseas adoptions.
However problematic the concept of race may be (and I hve found, not assuming anything about your social location, Martha, that white people have the biggest "problem" with the concept of race), cultural differences do exist, especially across the colour line. When the power only flows in one directions, as it does here in the colonized, stolen West/North, we have ourselves a set-up of affluent white het couples having access to children all over the world. Whether it's characterized as fetishization, ownership, modern-day kidnapping, or all of those things, it needs to be critically examined.
Racism does exist and it can't be argued away with an intellectual argument. It isn't "essentialist" to talk about racism. I agree with you, Martha, that race is socially constructed. Nonetheless, racism and colonialism are inherent in the, as laine lowe has indicated, international and billion dollar industry of transracial adoptees/abductees.
Though my own social location is not relevant to the cogency of my claims, it might explain my own personal point of view to point out that I have ancestors from Europe, Africa and Asia. I have never identified myself "racially" -- am I white? black? Asian?
Cultural differences exist both across and within colour lines. Culturally, I have more in common with my peer group of Torontonian university students than I do with my distant African relatives and my less distant Carribean cousins. But, if we are talking about adopting babies, we should bear in mind that babies have no culture. Culture is learned, not acquired genetically.
There are problems, I agree, with first world couples -- het or not -- adopting children from much poorer countries, whether or not this is across colour lines. There can be plenty of fetishization and commodification involved when a white het middle-class Canadian couple adopts a Romanian or Russian baby, or when a black het middle-class Canadian couple adopts a Congoan baby. Any comodification and fetishization of human beings needs to be critically examined.
I agree that racism exists and that it isn't essentialist to talk about racism. But I fear that it borders on essentialism to claim that transracial adoption is "transracial abduction" (in Makwa's words). Intraracial adoption can be equally problematic, and interracial adoption can, properly carried out, be relatively unproblematic. The problem is with objectification/fetishization/commidification, regardless of whether the adoption is intra- or interracial.
I agree that one might ask some hard questions of adoptive parents, beginning with this: Why a Chinese baby? Why a Guatemalan baby? Why a North American baby?
One last remark: If a white het middle class couple insisted on a white baby, turning down opportunities to adopt, say, a black baby, I would also be a little concerned.
No it isn't. 'Nuff said.
Actually, it isn't enough to just state your opinion in that sort of preemptory fashion; babble is interesting when we go beyond just shouting what we "know".
Since I don't think rights and wrongs are determined by the race of the person doing them, I couldn't agree that a white person commits abduction when legally adopting a baby, while a native person doesn't.
To have a society organized that way, you'd have to have racial laws.
I would say that it is important for a baby to be brought up in his or her own culture, to the extent possible. So as long as people from within the culture step up to the plate, they should have an extra advantage in being able to adopt.
But it would have to be fact-based, not based on a racial ideology. We know where that leads.
I think you underestimate how this is true of nearly all parents.
My parents were immigrants and grew up in a different country and time (they were 42 and 49 when I was born). They don't really have any idea what my world was like.
The same, I notice, is true for so many parents. The kids are differently religious, have different aims... etc. I think it's quasi-univeral for parents not to be able to relate to kids. I'm surprised you would point to this racial aspect like it's something out of the ordinary.
This economic power dynamic still persists and taints the whole practice of adoption IMO. It is mired in a patriarchal and philanthropic approach to dealing with the underlying issues of poverty and racism.
This excerpt is not about adoption (it focuses on a reform school for girls) but it does reflect the attitude of children's aid agencies who intervened to help disadvantaged children. Obviously, we have progressed as a society since earlier days but we have failed to address the underlying causes that give rise to adoption.
Ontario Training School for Girls
If the people doing the abduction get to write the laws. Don't forget adduction and enlsavement of Africans and FN peoples was aslo legal, according to the same Eurocentric laws. Do the laws respect the laws and traditions of the culture from which this children are being adducted from?
We already have racial laws. The laws of this county were written with racial (Eurocentric) preferences.
Hmm ok .. So by that logic. White kids should be abducted out from thier families. Since mainstream canada has failed to step up to the plate and properly educate thier offspring in how to end the racist, colonial and genocide of indigouse peoples.
Who gets to decide what stepping up to the plate is? Of course its the Eurocentric model that is supported, as opposed to respecting our cultures.
On a separate but related note. The concept of babies being born as a blank slate also does not respect other cultures, whose world view includes re-incarnation and spiritual knowledge transfer.
Always proud of the ancient wisdom, which our ancestors continue to reveal to us.
Aforhealer
As for the "blank slate" comment, that was me, and I did put it in quotes, and I did flag that it would sound offensive.
I do respect the belief that children are born with a cultural connection, even though this is not a belief that I hold. Thank you for what you said about this point. It's something I need to do more thinking, talking and reading about.
I don't understand this. What about multi-racial people? Should a person with Chinese, white and FN ancestry not adopt a person with Hispanic and African ancestry?
Right. I read them. They have nothing to do with the issue of whether transmultiracial adoptions should or should not occur (i.e., whether such adoptions are "abductions").
This being said as my opinion, I would also say that the evil side of trans-racial adoption will not go away anytime soon. As long as there are unscrupulous people involved in the baby trade for profit ONLY, there will be shadowy trans-racial adoptions and a black market for them.
Only ALSO please consider: I have an Xian friend who has adopted two beautiful baby girls from an Xian organization in China over the past ten years. They cost him and his wife about $20000 each. I realize this was a callous way to put it, and I apologise for it, but this $40000 or so goes to ensuring better food, living conditions and health care for the rest of the (mostly female) orphans cared for by the organizations running the orphanages. Is that such a bad thing?
[ 01 June 2007: Message edited by: Atavist ]
I realize that I opened this post with a simple and blunt message. I wanted to wait before I posted more comprehensive discussion, mostly because the topic is particularly painful to me, and partly because I felt a stark simple statement felt good by itself.
I have seen some remarkable discussion here, and some of the same tired rationalizations from the same names, but overall it has been a broadening discussion, and I am grateful to see it open up.
PS: for a dated but an irreverent look at some of the arguments around 'transracial abduction', check out these angry pissed ungrateful little transracially abducted motherfuckers from hell. Tee hee.
[ 01 June 2007: Message edited by: Makwa ]
Since you mean "third world" rather than "third word" I will tell you this, as the moderator: This is racist language and I won't allow it in the anti-racism forum. Stop it. Now.
This is on the border of being racist, since in fact many people in developing/third world countries (notice how the language itself is comparative and demeaning?) live in poverty. However, many people in the so-called developed/First world live in poverty as well. Your phrasing, esp the use of the word "misreable", reinforces Eurocentric liberal notions of "those poor souls living in such dire conditions. Let's pity them. Awww.". Blech.
Comparing a life of poverty to a life of relative wealth, it may seem obvious that anyone, including progressives, would choose the former. There's tons of problems with this framework. First of all, not all orphans can be "saved" in this manner. What about the non-adopted ones? Tough shit for them? I don't support that. Plus, what this framework doesn't cover is the notion of culture, identity and belonging being stolen from the child, as the child is stolen from his/her culture and extended family/community.
Again, summoning patience, I'm looking to have an anti-racist discussion on the phenomenon of affluent white parents-to-be from the north/west having access to children of colour around the world, but mostly in the globalized south and east.
To quote my bud Makwa, 'nuff said.