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Indian Tribes expel members

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1234567
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that's kind of happened here with Bill C-31s coming back to reserves. You can blame that on the government here.

Stateside? The card I carry from the US Bureau Of Indian Affairs has my blood quantum on it. that might be a way to confirm but I don't like it, it's a sticky situation either way.

Another way to split the people. Fuck.


Unionist
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Gee, thanks for that Bacchus. It's nice to see a CNN feature on how Indigenous peoples in the U.S. are fighting each other over race and money. I guess we're supposed to draw some sort of conclusion from this, eh?

1234567
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good point Unionist.

Bacchus
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Nope, it was just one of 2 indigeonus news articles I came across today. One from CNN and one from BBC.

Just trying to keep things current. If you don't like that or wish to draw incorrect assumptions unionist, thats your tough shit, not mine


Unionist
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Actually, media outlets like CNN carry a lot of propaganda on many issues which is offensive to normal human beings. I still don't know why you chose to post this example. I run across a lot of ugly things in the media without opening threads on babble to post them without comment. Maybe this thread should just be closed.

Bacchus
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And lots of ugly things in the media do get posted and then commented on. Which is good. Closing your eyes is never a good thing unionist. Especially while driving.

Debate the msm take on it, debate how the tribes are handling things, or interfered with, or not interfered with. Debate is good. Mere dismissal because you dont like CNN isn't. It leaves them the field doesnt it?


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quote:Originally posted by unionist:
Gee, thanks for that Bacchus. It's nice to see a CNN feature on how Indigenous peoples in the U.S. are fighting each other over race and money. I guess we're supposed to draw some sort of conclusion from this, eh?

What conclusions do you think CNN is hoping that readers will draw?


1234567
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quote:What conclusions do you think CNN is hoping that readers will draw?

"see, now I tole you them damn injuns was corrupt"

That's the conclusion readers will come to.


Unionist
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Yeah, like, no kidding, Sven.

Tommy_Paine
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Still, quoting from the news article doesn't mean one agrees with it, or it's intent.

I watch CNN from time to time, not to find out what is happening, but to see how we are being "pushed", to see what consent is being manufactured, and what shock is being used to manipulate us.

CNN is a treasure trove, that way.


AMSabourin
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Was it "right" for the Tribe to expel its former member, who just happened to resemble African Americans?

[ 27 October 2007: Message edited by: AMSabourin ]


1234567
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"sigh" This is exactly why I dislke some media and its reporting. While people like Tommy Paine can view it as the latest in a campaign of manufacturing consent, there are still others who beleive what they read.

Bacchus
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Thank you Tommy

AMSabourin
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quote:Originally posted by 1234567:
"sigh" This is exactly why I dislke some media and its reporting. While people like Tommy Paine can view it as the latest in a campaign of manufacturing consent, there are still others who beleive what they read.

I understand you don't like CNN. OK, fine. I get it. But even CNN won't publish a completely made up, from inside their own brain, story. There's some truthiness here.

So, is it "right" to expel "blacks" from the "Tribe"? Seems lots like this from Switzerland recently:


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quote:Originally posted by 1234567:
that's kind of happened here with Bill C-31s coming back to reserves. You can blame that on the government here.

Stateside? The card I carry from the US Bureau Of Indian Affairs has my blood quantum on it. that might be a way to confirm but I don't like it, it's a sticky situation either way.

Another way to split the people. Fuck.

Well put. It's also a little bit, although not entirely, like the divide between elected and traditional leadership in some Canadian First Nations. I don't claim to have a settled opinion on what I think about that.

On the one hand, you have a situation like the one within the Tahltan First Nation, where the band council wants to push ahead with resource development while the elders oppose it. On the other, you have a situation like the Nisga'a treaty, which was negotiated by the elected leadership and passed by the members, and is still being opposed in court by people claiming to be traditional chiefs, who have the backing of the right-wing Canadian Constitution Foundation.

One theme I keep seeing in all of this is that once you've colonized a people for long enough, they often start doing it to themselves.


1234567
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Yeah, let's discuss in the aboriginal forum the importance and usefulness of news stories being put out there so that you all can see where the media are manufacturing consent. All at the expense of aboriginal people.

Unionist
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Someone should close this disgusting thread - or else move it to the "media" forum where it might belong, as a discussion on how the MSM foments racism.

Jesus, talk about provocation - as if it isn't enough when CNN does it.


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And you have the right wingers accusing the left wingers of spending too much money blah blah blah. And the left accusing the right of corruption but all that is okay isn't it? Because you all give yourselves the right to be individual and unique. But what you think of the Aboriginal people in this country?

You are all expecting the Indians to be noble and all the while actively LOOK for reasons to prove that they are corrupt.

We can't win. Ever.

We'll never make you happy. You all still think you know what's right for US.


1234567
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Thank you Unionist! I was beginning to wonder if the board had been taken over by a bunch of racists.

Tommy_Paine
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At any time in North America, one can dig up a story that points to controversy on how Natives decide who is a native and who isn't.

And, believe it or don't, there are also many other issues facing Native people today.

Should the topics in this corner of the public discourse be decided by CNN, or Native people?

I'm not saying it isn't an issue, or that CNN invented it from whole cloth. The lies are not in what they report. The lies are in what they don't report.

Media aside, I've always thought it as important to listen to what is not said as much as what is said.


Michelle
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Okay, I'll close it.

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