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Not before a vote.
I know that you talk, I pay. I pay more because I know that $10 you were talking about was a joke. $12 after taxes. Not your measely $10 before taxes. Why should I vote for that shit?
It would be immoral for me to support a measure, which simply doesn't measure up and then pretend I am doing somebody somewhere some good.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
Send it to me and I will stop posting for whole hour, how is that?
Not exactly the same as closing it. How bout six bucks for now, and I'll save the rest for the next hour?
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
I will always have more to say about voting.
Well now NDP'ers everywhere are holding non-voting high rollers like you accountable for every adult worker in Ontario should earn at least the NDP's proposed $10 bucks an hour promised immediately as of last year. And it looks like you'll need to hire a few more guys to enforce even that minimum, so you'd better get busy. Time's a waistin'
[img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] If you think it might help, what the heck.
Far from it. I was paying $10, after taxes an hour to start 5 years ago. Skilled labour get more. You guys are a joke, from where I am standing.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
In politics you have only two choices: violence or morality.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
The concept of forcing people to vote is undeniably fascist. There are some forms of political coercion that we can't avoid. For instance, if this was a sane society, we would be coercing responsible environmental stewardship because the alternative is plummeting into ecological destruction.
Low voter turnouts, on the other hand, while regrettable, have never harmed anyone, nor are they responsible for any ills of society. Your fanciful notions that compulsory voting would help your political goals are based on no evidence or logic whatsoever, and would be a downright scary justification for such heavy-handed tactics if they were. Can't you see that you play right into the alarmist right-wing notion of the left as Stalinesque would-be dictators with this craziness?
Voting is about democracy. Democracy is about liberty. Who could tell me that I'd better exercise my liberty or pay the consequences and not explode from the hypocrisy? Get in the booth and be free or you'll wish you did. Don't argue, just do as you're told! I don't want any part of your so-called freedom when I'm marched into it at the point of a gun. Isn't this the same argument we've all been making about Iraq for five years? You can't coerce people into being democratic? Contradiction in terms? Any of this ring a bell?
I hate it when people don't vote. It grates on my nerves. It's such a small gesture and requires so little of you. Why throw away the slim vestige of democracy that our system affords? (don't answer that, Cueball) Despite this, I would never, ever, under any circumstances, not in a million years be so arrogant as to tell someone they had no right to refuse it. This is their democratic franchise, the expression of their freedom. They can put it on a pedestal or shit all over it just as their heart desires because it belongs to them and no one else.
You don't have the right to tell them what to do with it. Thank god.
It is perceived as violence only for the immoral.
There is always more choices.
The O'Liberals are the running joke with 10% of the province living anywhere below obscure poverty lines and hemorrhaging more jobs every day and over 1.2 million adults still not earning $10 bits an hour. But Cueball Inc. will be there to pick up the slack, we can be sure. All those who didn't vote must have been a-okay with their pathetic record for self-induced powerlessness at Queen's Perk.
Bullshit how do you propose to make it mandatory?
What is wrong with allienating people who are promoting fascist ideas?
That you're not persuading them away from fascism. If that's not your intent, why do you waste all this energy. What are you trying to achieve?
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
I'm a deliberative democrat which means I proceed through collective deliberations.
No thanks.
It is easy to enforce if participating to census is, as it should be, compulsory.