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Whatever the deliberative assembly has decided is good enough for me.
Shooting them is the fascist way to do thing. Learn something about fascism. Fascism is about personally cult. It is about totally identifying yourself with the leader. For a fascist there cannot be more than one candidate to vote for.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Benoit ]
Rational people search for the most efficient method.
And if I refuse?
It is a good question to be asked in a deliberative assembly. But in such an assembly, I bet you will develop a motivation to answer it.
So, if you were in this "deliberative assembly", what would you suggest? Imprisonment, a fine? Could a person be excused if they were alive but incapacitated? What if I got into a car accident on the way to the polling station and was hospitalized? Would I be excused from paying the fine provided a brought a doctor's certificate to a justice of the peace?
Do you see the kind of bureaucratic machine that would be required to meaningfully support this enterprise?
Deliberative assemblies have always determined what is economical and what is not. Humanity is now in a position to make this fundamental process more explicit and systematic.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
I'll repeat the question:
"Systematic" solutions has an errie ring to it. And what the hell is a "deliberative assembly" anyway? Is that like a Gauleiter and a bunch of neighborhood snoops comparing notes down at the local beerhall?
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Webgear ]
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Benoit ]
It could be the captive audience effect, or just simply a slow day behind the wire scratching their nuts, so why not go and vote.
Well this is what is interesting about Benoit has brought forward as description of Fascim:
I submit that Fascism does not require subserviance and identificaiton with "the leader" but in fact can be constituted as "identification" with a state, or even a process. Even if the process is one where one nominally has the ability to select a leader between two or even more, options. As long there is little discernable political differences between those offered choices, and they all act in the name of the process or state, and hold that as the central theme of their beliefs, it could easily be considered a fascist process.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
I rest my case.
Of course they can. I have met numerous people who do exactly this. Just because most human interaction takes place in the context of human social organization, it is not necessarily the case that one needs to extend restrictive measures on every single aspect of everyones daily life.
For example, voting.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
Fascism is a particular form of totalitarianism. Totalitarianism means a process that is closing alternatives to individuals. Voting is essentially doing the opposite: it is opening opportunities. If you don’t like any candidate, you have to present yourself as one more.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Benoit ]
The will of the people is impossible to circumscribe in its entirety.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Benoit ]
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
So again, enforced voting is a totalitarian measure. It embeds the "democratic" process in a totalitarian form, regardless if there is choice within that context.
[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]
Extending the totalitarian measures is an oxymoron.
Democracy is black and white. A yes or no question. Let's get down to the fundamentals and break some pottery!