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More trouble in (Liberal) paradise.
November 8, 2008 - 1:59pm
This apparently has some possible contenders ticked off.
"Privately, supporters of Kennedy (Parkdale-High Park), Hall Findlay (Willowdale) and other camps are furious with Michael Ignatieff (Etobicoke-Lakeshore), the perceived front-runner whose supporters dominate the Quebec wing's board of directors. The board unanimously approved the submission."
All jokes aside, I suspect it will fail as well.
If this is the doing of Ignatieff, then he's certainly doing his best to reignite an "anybody but Ignatieff" movement.
The problem with can't be bothered to come and vote at conventions is $$$. Delegates have to have the money to fly or what you to Vancouver, hotel expenses, food, and all the additional costs associated with going to convention. Thus only "rich" delegates can attend. That tells you a lot about the liberal party.
As long as they still allow current NDP premiers, there is one in particular that I can't wait to get rid of...
But seriously, I read on CBC earlier that the proposal failed, but they did almost double the entry fee, from $50000 to $90000
Do this mean Dominic LeBlanc is out? How about Martha Hall Findlay?
Depending on who was behind this, I think it could help to fuel an anybody but Ignatieff movement.
The interesting thing about this, to me, is how ruthless and unabashed the Liberals are in getting a leader who is right of center, which looks like the nominally Canadian Iggy Thumbscrews at this point.
I am told that left of center, or progressive Liberals exist. And, I'm told Bigfoot exists, too.
I just await proof.
If these abrupt moves to squash any resistance to the marginally Canadian Iggy Thumbscrews doesn't kick any "progressive" Liberals loose, then I guess I was right all along.
I am certain you will find proof of the latter but of the former, don't hold your breath! I'm still trying to figure out why Lesley Hughes sought the Lib nomination in that Winnipeg federal riding.
More leadership news today. CBC is reporting that Kennedy is out, as are Hall Findlay, Coderre and David McGuinty.
This probably helps Rae somewhat, but I still think it's Iggy's to lose.
Me too! Go Iggy.
I don't like any of the current candidates. I think the Liberals will be obsolete for quite some time at this rate. They need someone fresh and inspiring (and someone with a bit of experience - i.e., not Trudeau).
I was thinking: where is Kim Campbell these days? Would she ever run for the Liberals? She's not a Harper Conservative.
What makes you say that Kim Campbell isn't a Harper Conservative? If anything she is even more rightwing than they are. She tried to recriminalize abortion when she was Justice Minister - not even harper has tried to do that.
I'm really tired of this mythology that the old PCs were so wonderful and that Harper represents something so totally out of the mainstream of Canadian politics. I just don't see it. I cannot think of a single solitary policy that the Harper government has brought in that couldn't just as easily have been brought in my Mulroney or Kim Campbell.
Remember, Mike Harris was always a PROGRESSIVE Conservative and was nevr in the Reform Party and he was way more rightwing than Harper.
She's intelligent :p
You could be right Stockholm, I was a little young and impressionable back then. As Minister of Justice though, didn't she introduce the "no means no" law? Could you see any Harperite doing this?
Hell, why not Chretien?
Glad to see Kennedy bow out, since he posed the biggest threat re poaching NDP support. (Though I don't think he stood a chance of becoming PM.)
The last convention was Iggy's to win, this one looks like his to lose with LeBlanc being his kingmaker.
PS: I do not know this mythology of which you speak. Mulroney's been on the shit list since he left. Nobody I know is mythologizing the PCs. I'm only mythologizing Kim Campbell. And furthermore, Harper is only the slightly right of centre-right you see now because of his lack of mandate.
Oh come on...we see this all the time (esp. from the delusional Elizabeth May). "oh these Harper Conservatives or so SCARY compared to those nice, sweet, cuddly, old Mulroney (supposedly) red Tories". Its all bullshit. A Tory is a Tory is a Tory. Stephen Harper was an assistant to a PC Mp in the 80s. He is a run of the mill orthodox small "c" conservative who leads a party that has ALWAYS been the party in Canada that puts forth orthodox small "c" conservative policies.
So what if he was in the Reform Party? Everything that the Reform party ever stodd for has been 100% flushed down the toilet. What ever happened to recall, referenda, MPs being able to vote as they please, hardline on Quebec, ending bilingualism and multiculturalism etc...
The Conservative Party today is 100% IDENTICAL to what it would have been if the Reform Party had never been created in the first place and Stephen Harper had eventually succeeded Kim Campbell and Jean Charest. If you were Rip van Winkle and were asleep from 1987 (the year Reform was founded) and 2004 - you would think that the old PC party had simply dropped the word progressive from its name and that nothing else had ever changed.
I think if anything the creation of reform to eventual CRAP party to just the conservative party is spring lose some progressives (who belonged or voted for them because there mom & dad always did ) and move some of them towards the liberals.
In this past election one saw those voters move themselves back to the conservative voting column. Now libs want them back and thus Iggy as the right of centre of candidate. I don't see Iggy as centerist but right.
Yes, the technically Canadian Iggy Thumbscrews got lots of five o'clock shadow time on the CBC today. And he and Benedict Rae were all hugs and warm fuzzies for the poor auto workers on CBC rado today. A casual listener might have thought they were even genuine. A more experienced listener might have just rolled down the window in his van and expectorated.
But when the Block Toronto has had it's leadership convention to select it's pre-selected leader, I think the NDP should buy billboard space in Toronto, run the leader's face over the caption:
"The New Face of Bait and Switch Politics in Canada."
Hate to agree with you Stock, but you are correct, and I believe the E. May stance against Harper is a ploy, and her leadership of the GP, is but a move to keep them under control to split the left vote and allow the CPC to come up the centre...as I do not believe E. May is that delusional, and she is definitely not stupid, and her actions make no senseotherwise.
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B-b-but, the GPC is not a leftwing party. Lizzie said so herself on AIH, didn't she? Their economic policy is somewhere around the Diefenbaker Conservative economic policy. The GPC is Cons who recycle. And Lizzie worked for Mulroney, yes?
So, how the hell does the GPC get labeled left?
There is a significant contingent of GP members and supporters who consider themselves "progressives" and who believe in social justice, thus left of centre designation, especially out here in BC. But when you try to convince them that the GP isn't, well...I guess they believe it will be someday.
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Delusions of grandeur, eh?
Here, a founder of the Green Party of SK (formerly the New Green Alliance) left the GPS because it was taken over by the con recyclers.
Yes, some out here too have left, as well as some in Ontario, but yet most still live in delusion,
or indeed with crystallized anger.
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crystallized anger or crystal meth?
j/k