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Right-wing agenda dominates Conservative policy convention

M. Spector
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Canadian Press wrote:

Conservative faithful have elbowed Canada's governing party back to the right, just a month after Stephen Harper won another minority mandate with a campaign that hugged the political centre.

Some 2,000 delegates at the first Tory policy convention since March 2005 adopted resolutions Saturday that would strip human-rights tribunals of some powers and create new charges for the killing of unborn children.

They also strongly endorsed tough-on-crime measures, income splitting for couples with young children and a motion rewriting the party's position on equal pay for work of equal value.

The resolutions are not binding on Prime Minister Harper or his Conservative caucus, but they allowed party faithful to reaffirm their right-of-centre policy leanings….

A resolution encouraging provinces to experiment with private health care was defeated on the argument that privatization is happening anyway and the motion would simply provide ammunition to the Conservatives' political foes.

But other hot-button issues found wide support on the convention floor.

One policy would take away investigative and adjudication powers from the Canadian Human Rights Commission and tribunal for complaints of hate-mongering.

"This tribunal is a direct threat to our freedom of speech," the sponsoring delegate said to applause.

Edmonton MP Laurie Hawn supported the motion, saying "we already have hate laws" and the tribunals "punish individuals for expressing legitimate - even if they're controversial - views."

The resolution was adopted virtually unanimously.

Delegates had more divergent views on a proposal that would add charges to anyone who kills or injures a fetus during the commission of a crime against a pregnant mother.

The sponsoring delegate from Saskatchewan said the motion "recognized the unborn child as a victim of crime in the event of deliberate injury or death to the mother and child."

"You are essentially saying that the unborn child is a person," responded the first delegate to speak against the motion, drawing widespread cheers from supporters of the resolution.

Those cheers quickly turned to jeers as the woman from Saint John, N.B., continued in defence of abortion rights: "Therefore you are re-opening the way to that slippery path that will take away a woman's right to choose. This is the thin edge of the wedge."

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Unionist
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Delegates, however, voted down a resolution that backed opening the door to more private health care, heeding pleas by some that embracing this would open up the party to attacks from opposition parties.

“The press is already reporting this as the thin edge of the wedge … why would you feed them the equivalent of an all-day sucker?” lawyer Stanley Hartt warned delegates.

Bastards.


genstrike
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I was down there protesting today.  We had a pretty good protest (although it was kinda small and they confined us to the sidewalk), although the bastards were taking pictures of everyone at the end of the rally.  I just have to wonder what they're doing with my picture now...

Brian White
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Are they allowed to take pictures of protestors? I thought you had to have permission to take a picture.

How about bringing your own camera, and take pictures right back at the them?

genstrike wrote:
I was down there protesting today.  We had a pretty good protest (although it was kinda small and they confined us to the sidewalk), although the bastards were taking pictures of everyone at the end of the rally.  I just have to wonder what they're doing with my picture now...


genstrike
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Brian White wrote:

Are they allowed to take pictures of protestors? I thought you had to have permission to take a picture.

How about bringing your own camera, and take pictures right back at the them?

I don't know if there are any laws on taking pictures of people at protests.  The cops do it all the time Frown

I think that would be an excellent idea, and I really do think that sometimes we need more photographers at protests just to be a little more safe and have photographic evidence in case shit happens.  I don't have a camera right now though, but here's hoping Santa will bring me one.  He made my bus come late today because streets were closed for the parade, so he owes me Laughing


janfromthebruce
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 You better watch out you better not picket cause I'm telling you why, Steven Harper's in townnnnnnnnnn.Laughing 

 

Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!


Stockholm
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Who cares what resolutions get passed at the Conservative convention? Harper will do as he pleases anyways and will ignore any resolution he doesn't like.

remind
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Obviously several people do Stock, especially those of us whom they target, like women.

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Stockholm
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It won't make any difference in terms of government policy. A Conservative convention is a joke - Harper controls everything - so all that matters are what he personally believes - he doesn't give a damn what few nutbars in his party have to say at a purely symbolic convention.

Unionist
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Stockholm wrote:
A Conservative convention is a joke - Harper controls everything - so all that matters are what he personally believes - he doesn't give a damn what few nutbars in his party have to say at a purely symbolic convention.

Déjà vu.


genstrike
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Stockholm wrote:
It won't make any difference in terms of government policy. A Conservative convention is a joke - Harper controls everything - so all that matters are what he personally believes - he doesn't give a damn what few nutbars in his party have to say at a purely symbolic convention.

At the risk of going off topic, I cannot resist the urge to make the smug observation that it sounds like a certain premier I know


Stockholm
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I remember back in the 1980s when Bill Bennett was Social Credit Premier of BC - there was a BC Socred convention that passed a resolution that demanded that all rapists be castrated AND circumcised (wtf??). I don't recall the BC government then starting to castrate anyone.

Conservative conventions have aboslutely no binding power over party policy - the whole event is a joke.


Chester Drawers
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I was at that convention as a delegate.  I did go watch the rally, found it somewhat interesting and quite meaningless.  50 -60 people peacefully expressing their freedom of speech, you have to love this country for giving everyone this right.  Someone took a picture of me so I took one back of him. Not sure what he and I will do with them, most likely delete them.

It was my first convention and I found it rather invigorating.  Lots of positive energy, no one demeaning the leaders of the other parties or those that voted for the other parties and many people from all walks of life (private, public, union, non-union, small business, large business, farmers, educators, etc).  I was quite surprized how young the delegates were.  Thought it would be only the blue hairs.

I would like to go to the NDP convention, as an observer and compare the differences and likenesses.

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Doug
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Stockholm wrote:

Conservative conventions have aboslutely no binding power over party policy - the whole event is a joke.

 Nobody's convention really has binding power over what their MPs do in Parliament - and for the good reason that MPs are responsible for more than just party members.


djelimon
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Glorified rally.

 

But man, there are some troglodytes out there


Yibpl
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Jim Prentice’s awful copyright legislation appears to be as unpopular with the grassroots of the right as it is with the left wing.  

 

http://www.stephentaylor.ca/2008/11/interview-with-industry-minister-ton...

Chester Drawers
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Some interesting points that were presented at the convention.

Conservatives

The party that formed Canada in 1867.

The party that gave us the bill of rights

The party that gave the vote to women and aboriginals

1st party to elect  Chinese-Canadian, Black-Canadian, Japanese-Canadian, Muslim-Canadian and Hindu-Canadian as MP's.

1st party to appoint a woman cabinet minister and aboriginal to the senate.

Just observations.


janfromthebruce
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It's not like the cons were ahead of their time but were laggards in relation to other countries. But the tipping point was this:

Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!

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The turning point came in Manitoba, McClung’s home province. Opposition leader Liberal T.C. Norris agreed to give women the vote if he became Premier in the 1915 election. Norris won. On January 28th 1916, the women of Manitoba became the first in the country to win the right to vote in provincial election and to hold elective office. Finally the Women’s Franchise Act was passed in 1918 permitting all women citizens to vote in federal elections.
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remind
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Chester Drawers wrote:
Some interesting points that were presented at the convention.
Too bad the points were not facts eh?

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Conservatives

The party that formed Canada in 1867.

No actually, they weren't, but nice try at re-writing history, say nothing of the fact this CONservative Party is not the one that was historically present from 1867 forward. Your party stole a name and nothing more, which makes your list a non-event in the first place, however I will also adress the fallacies anyway. Talk about delusions of grandness founded on mistruths. :rolleyes:

True history;

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The Premier of the Province of Canada John A. Macdonald surprised the Atlantic premiers by asking if the Province of Canada could be included in the negotiations. After several years of legislative paralysis in the Province of Canada caused by the need to maintain a double legislative majority (a majority of both the Canada East and Canada West delegates in the Province of Canada’s legislature), Macdonald had led his Liberal-Conservative Party into the Great CoalitionGeorge-Étienne Cartier’s Parti bleu and George Brown’s Clear Grits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Confederation

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The party that gave us the bill of rights
Ya, the disaster that the SCC could not work with, unlike the Charter of Rights brought to us by Trudeau.

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The party that gave the vote to women and aboriginals
Jan clarified that aleady, however I would add that is factually incorrect as well, women and FN's fought for our human rights every inch of the way, nobody "gave" us a goddam thing. If we had waited for any giving we would still be waiting.

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1st party to elect  Chinese-Canadian, Black-Canadian, Japanese-Canadian, Muslim-Canadian and Hindu-Canadian as MP's.
I notice you used the rider "MP's", in order to appear as a leader of anti-racist actions. Heads up other elected officals camebefore.

And here, I will note it was the Progressive Conservatives that all you CONservatives hate, which had the first Asian Canadian, African Canadian not your hateful party. The first Indo Canadian  elected to official office in Canada was Moe Sahota for the NDP in BC, just as Rosemary Brown was the first black woman elected to official office as an NDP,

Rahim Jaffer was elected as a Reform party member, and was not elected as a CONservative.

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1st party to appoint a woman cabinet minister and aboriginal to the senate.
The first woman in parliament was:

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Agnes Campbell Macphail (March 24, 1890 – February 13, 1954) was the first woman to be elected to the Canadian House of Commons, and one of the first two women elected to the Legislative Assembly of Ontario. Active throughout her life in progressive Canadian politics, Macphail worked for two separate parties and promoted her ideas through column-writing, activist organizing, and legislation.

...Macphail became active politically, joining the United Farmers of Ontario (UFO) and its women's organization, the United Farm Women of Ontario. She also became a columnist for the Farmers' Sun around this time.

After amendments to the Elections Act by the Conservative Party government in 1919, Macphail was elected to the House of Commons as a member of the Progressive Party of Canada for the Grey Southeast electoral district (riding) in the 1921 federal election. She was the first woman Member of Parliament (MP) in Canada. Macphail was re-elected in the 1925, 1926, and 1930 federal elections.

As a radical member of the Progressive Party, Macphail joined the socialist Ginger Group, faction of the Progressive Party that later led to the formation of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF). She became the first president of the Ontario CCF in 1933. However, she left the CCF in 1934...While Maphail was no longer formally a CCF member, she remained close to the CCF MPs and often participated in caucus meetings. The CCF did not run candidates against Macphail in her three subsequent federal campaigns.

...Macphail's concern for women in the criminal justice system led her, in 1939, to found the Elizabeth Fry Society of Canada, named after British reformer Elizabeth Fry.

Causes she championed included pensions for seniors and workers' rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_candidates_in_Canadian_elections

Marchand, who became the first FN's person elected as MP and appointed to the senate, was also a PROGRESSIVE Conservative. You know the party that was destroyed because the Reformers could not stand the "progessive" parts of it?

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Just observations.
Well, my observation would be for you to stop trying to falsify this CON government's progressive credentials, and to stop trying to steal progressive conservative actions.

Your party is in NO WAY related to one of the parties that was a founding party of Canada.  Not that that means shit anyway. And please do educate yourself, before you start espousing nonsense like you have. Oh, and stop being naive/gullible just because you are told something does not mean it is true, nor accurate.

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Ken Burch
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[qb]Marchand, who became the first FN's person elected as MP and appointed to the senate, was also a PROGRESSIVE Conservative. You know the party that was destroyed because the Reformers could not stand the "progessive" parts of it?[/qb]

 Wrong.  Len Marchand was elected as a Liberal, in the "Trudeaumania" wave of '68.

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remind
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Your correct, Marchand was elected Liberal and was the first Aboriginal to be elected, and it was James Gladstone who was appointed to the Senate by Progressive Conservative PM Diefenbaker 2 years before FN's finally acheived the right to vote in 1960. Bad me forgetting Canadian history like that.  Embarassed

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Dana Larsen
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I go to many NDP Conventions, usually the "observer fee" to attend as a non-delegate is in the range of $50.

 

At the Conservative Convention, the "observer fee" was about $1000.

 

This fee is counted as a donation to the party. Since the annual donation limit is just over $1000, it wouldn't even be allowed for someone who has donated to other parties to pay that fee and attend.

 

The delegate fee was also very high, hundreds of dollars. The fees to attend this convention were the highest I have seen of any convention of any party. 


Chester Drawers
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Conservative, Progressive Conservative, Reform and Conservative are all parties under the conservative agenda and definition.  Just as the Libranos and Dippers ( old CCF) like to be seen as left of center progressives, basic core beliefs wrapped under a different name. John A. MacDonald  was a Conservative.  The PC party never materialized until 1942 under the new leader John Bracken the former Man. Progressive Party Premier.  I never said first woman mp I said first woman cabinet minister.  Ellen Fairclough was appointed Sec. of State by Conservative Prime Minister Diefenbaker in 1957, Canada’s first woman cabinet minister.  The so called natural governing party (they will tell you they are the true progressives) didn’t do it.    I said elected as MP’s because the Conservatives elected candidates in ridings where they could win and not be token also rans. Diefenbaker appointed James Gladstone to the senate in 1958, the first aboriginal senator. The so called natural governing party (they will tell you they are the true progressives) didn’t do it. I do apologize, I was mistaken when I said it was a Conservative government that brought for the Canadian “Act to confer the Electoral Franchise upon Women” after their hard fought rightful equality.  It was a Unionist government under Robert Borden 1917 - 1920 (he was the Conservative Prime Minister from 1911 – 1917) on Jan. 1, 1919 that ended the sad history of preventing women from voting. It was Diefenbaker's government that brought forth the bill to give the constitutional right of the vote to aboriginals in 1960. The so called natural governing party (they will tell you they are the true progressives) didn’t do it. The Bill of Rights was by no means perfect, but neither is the Charter.  The BoR was the precursor of the Charter.  The so called natural governing party did nothing until 1982.  The natural governing progressive party does not believe in property rights.  They believe that the state should control a persons private property. On a final note there is much espousing about anti-women, racist, and other such hate mongering about the Conservatives.  Where do you get your evidence and exactly what have the Conservatives done that would be anti-women, racist or hateful?  Enlighten me with some facts please. 

 


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Dief was a true Red Tory and led a party called the Progressive Conservatives. Harper is a true neocon reactionary and led the Reform. Harper's party is not he party of Diefenbaker and if you don't believe me ask Joe Clark.  ___________________________________________________________________________________________ From North of Manifest Destiny

remind
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Sorry you cannot claim the current CONservative party as being that of Diefenbaker's,  full stop. No more than the BC Libs can call themselves liberals. And am simply not going to bother with citing evidence it is everywhere and has been since reformatory days.

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