babble-intro-img
babble is rabble.ca's discussion board but it's much more than that: it's an online community for folks who just won't shut up. It's a place to tell each other — and the world — what's up with our work and campaigns.

Should Canada expand if USA breaks up?

500_Apples
Offline
Joined: Jun 3 2006
Some people are beginning to predict the breakup of the United States, see for example Igor Panarin who predicted it ten years ago but is now getting more attention, http://en.rian.ru/world/20081124/118512713.html Any US states worth absorbing? How about Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Maine and Vermont? Geographic contiguity and similar politics, economics and demographics would be necessary. Maybe Alaska could come in as a territory and be renamed the Western Yukon, that was even less likely however.

Comments

Cueball
Offline
Joined: Dec 23 2003
No.

M. Spector
Offline
Joined: Feb 19 2005
You can say that again.

Mojoroad1
Offline
Joined: Aug 7 2008
Sweatervest Destiny eh?Wink

remind
Offline
Joined: Jun 25 2004

Why the hell is there 2 exactly the same threads?

___________________________________________________________ "watching the tide roll away"


500_Apples
Offline
Joined: Jun 3 2006
remind wrote:

Why the hell is there 2 exactly the same threads?

___________________________________________________________ "watching the tide roll away"

When making the first thread I got an error message telling me the posting failed, so I pressed back and reclicked the post button.

remind
Offline
Joined: Jun 25 2004

 Oh okay thanks apples, have emailed mods to close this one, will post in the other as it has more actual content

___________________________________________________________ "watching the tide roll away"


Doug
Offline
Joined: Apr 17 2001
If this is ever going to be an issue, we have a lot more to worry about.

Cueball
Offline
Joined: Dec 23 2003
I have changed my mind, I think yes, now.

Aristotleded24
Offline
Joined: May 24 2005

Doug wrote:
If this is ever going to be an issue, we have a lot more to worry about.

I think it's quite reasonable to suspect that if there were a serious threat of the US breaking up that Canada would be under a similar amount of strain from the same forces causing problems in the US.


KeyStone
Offline
Joined: Apr 23 2008
Maybe Vermont.

bush is gone ha...
Offline
Joined: Oct 15 2008

I like Minnesota.  And Sunny California and Nevada deserts. That would turn Manifest Destiny on its ear.

I doubt any states would join Confederation in droves, They'd set up "union of northwest states" or something.  Or the Holy Baptist Empire in the South lol.

 And if we picked up some states it would open up a constitutional can of worms.  

The states would need to give up some powers to fit in with the power sharing arrangement, or be given special status- much like Quebec wishes.  There are some differences in our societies even if it is hard to notice immediately they'll come out in a situation like this.

---------------------------------------------------------

why is it that polling booths look like cattle chutes?


Interested Observer
Offline
Joined: Sep 25 2008

We are just as regional as they are and any breakup would likely coincide with a canadian breakup, IMO. I think that bioregional groups are far more likely to pop up, such as Cascadia.

The Left Coast has much more in common with the west coast of the USA than the east coast of Canada for instance (Quebec excluded).


Aristotleded24
Offline
Joined: May 24 2005
Interested Observer wrote:

We are just as regional as they are and any breakup would likely coincide with a canadian breakup, IMO. I think that bioregional groups are far more likely to pop up, such as Cascadia.

The Left Coast has much more in common with the west coast of the USA than the east coast of Canada for instance (Quebec excluded).

It's also noteworthy that many "natural" north-south trading routes were disrupted when Confederation expanded in the first place. Think of the Prairies and the Midwest, or the trade between what are now the Atlantic provinces and the Caribbean.

Has anybody read Does Canada Matter? by Clarence Bolt? The basic idea of this book is that the United States (and Canada by extension) were born of a liberalism that embraced "progress" above all else. This is what led to such issues as urban sprawl and cultural homogenisation that challenges communities. He also points out that it is impossible to expect Canada to survive as an independent nation if it embraces the same liberalism which gave birth to the US. He argues that if Canada is to survive that it will be from strengthening local communities.

Interesting read. I recommend it. For me, it hit the nail on the head in many ways.


Interested Observer
Offline
Joined: Sep 25 2008
Aristotleded24 wrote:
Interested Observer wrote:

We are just as regional as they are and any breakup would likely coincide with a canadian breakup, IMO. I think that bioregional groups are far more likely to pop up, such as Cascadia.

The Left Coast has much more in common with the west coast of the USA than the east coast of Canada for instance (Quebec excluded).

It's also noteworthy that many "natural" north-south trading routes were disrupted when Confederation expanded in the first place. Think of the Prairies and the Midwest, or the trade between what are now the Atlantic provinces and the Caribbean.

Has anybody read Does Canada Matter? by Clarence Bolt? The basic idea of this book is that the United States (and Canada by extension) were born of a liberalism that embraced "progress" above all else. This is what led to such issues as urban sprawl and cultural homogenisation that challenges communities. He also points out that it is impossible to expect Canada to survive as an independent nation if it embraces the same liberalism which gave birth to the US. He argues that if Canada is to survive that it will be from strengthening local communities.

Interesting read. I recommend it. For me, it hit the nail on the head in many ways.

 Washington State and Oregon both had large Hudson Bay Company outposts if my memory from history class serves me correctly. The 49th parallel was an arbitrary line that fit the times, however Canada could have perfectly picked up those two regions if they had more resolve. A U.S. presidential Candidate was also campaigning on a "54'40 or fight!" manifest Destiny approach.


bagkitty
Offline
Joined: Aug 27 2008
Well, the entire premise is more than a little unlikely... but in the event such circumstances arose... HELL NO -- don't you get how deeply indoctrinated they tend to be? Even the nice ones!

Parkdale High Park
Offline
Joined: Jan 10 2006
Clearly this Russian guy has never been to Canada. A more pertinent question is whether Canada should move in when Russia breaks up once plumetting oil prices and economic tailspin kill Medvedev (sadly Putin may get to avoid taking the fall for that one).

bush is gone ha...
Offline
Joined: Oct 15 2008

 Gee, the ways things are going the title should be

"should the USA expand if Canada breaks up?"

Harper is patroitic to one thing only-himself and the tories. 

---------------------------------------------------------

why is it that polling booths look like cattle chutes?


Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Login or register to post comments