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Shoelidarity forever: Support for Iraqi journalist detained after throwing shoes at Bush

derrick
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A grainy video is already available on YouTube...

 

Iraqi journalist hurls shoes at 'dog' Bush

BAGHDAD (AFP) — An Iraqi journalist hurled his shoes and an insult at George W. Bush, without hitting him, as the US president was shaking hands with the Iraqi premier at his Baghdad office on Sunday.

As the two leaders met in Nuri al-Maliki's private office, a journalist sitting in the third row jumped up, shouting: "It is the farewell kiss, you dog," and threw his shoes one after the other towards Bush...

 


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Doug
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The dog part I get, but is there some special insult in throwing your shoes at someone that I'm not aware of?

Stargazer
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Shoes or a bullet. I'm sure shoes don't lead to jail. If I were an Iraqi citizen I would want to do far more than throw shoes at the beast.

Slumberjack
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Not bad for a lame duck.


KeyStone
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In case you are trying to make this look like the Iraqis don't like Bush, throwing shoes at someone is an Iraqi custom to show great appreceation for someone, reserved only for those they hold in the highest regard.

Fleabitn2
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Bettter video here (bbc) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7782422.stm

This was no soft toss either, but a fastball (fastshoe?) directed at the cranium. Said reporter to sign with the RedSox next year.

As to why shoes were tossed: "In the Arab world, shoe flinging is a gesture of extreme disrespect. A notable occurrence of this gesture happened in Baghdad, Iraq in 2003. When U.S. forces pulled down a giant statue of Saddam Hussein during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, many Iraqi detractors of Hussein threw their shoes at the fallen statue.


This may be an ancient gesture from the Middle East; Psalms 60:10, speaking of some of the traditional enemies of Judah, says that "Moab is my washpot; over Edom will I cast out my shoe...." (KJV)

The shoe represents the lowest part of the body (the foot) and displaying or throwing a shoe at someone or something in Arab cultures denotes that the person or thing is "beneath them." Showing the bottom of one's feet or shoes (for example, putting one's feet up on a table or desk) in Arab cultures is considered an extreme insult. "

 

check democratic underground for discussion on the incident .

 


ceti
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The reporter was Muntazer al-Zaidi, a 29-year-old correspondent for the independent al-Baghdadiya television station. He was kidnapped in 2007.

Shoe flinging or showing the soles of shoes is disrepectful in most of Asia. Calling someone a dog is also big insult in South Asia.

 


Doug
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Coyote
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Dude's got no aim.


genstrike
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Coyote wrote:

Dude's got no aim.

The guy didn't do too bad.  A shoe can be pretty awkward to throw, and he chucked it pretty hard and managed to make Bush have to duck.  I probably wouldn't be able to do any better.

Although I wouldn't mind if he threw a knife or a bomb instead...


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I think the shoe-thrower will become a folk hero of sorts.

More power, and shoes, to him.

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M. Spector
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Quote:
In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags to protest against Bush and called for the release of al-Zeidi. 

"Bush, Bush, listen well – Two shoes on your head," the protesters chanted in unison. 

Newspapers across the Arab world printed front-page photos of Bush ducking the flying shoes and satellite TV stations repeatedly aired the incident, which provided fodder for jokes and was hailed by the president's many critics in the region.

"Iraq considers Sunday as the international day for shoes," said a text message circulating around the Saudi capital Riyadh. 

Many users of the popular internet networking site Facebook posted the video of the incident to their profile pages, showing al-Zeidi leap from his chair as Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki were about to shake hands. 

"This is a farewell kiss, you dog," al-Zeidi yelled in Arabic as he threw his shoes. "This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq." 

Al-Zeidi was immediately wrestled to the ground by Iraqi security guards. The incident raised fears of a security lapse in the heavily guarded Green Zone where the press conference took place. Reporters were repeatedly searched and asked to show identification before entering and while inside the compound, which houses al-Maliki's office and the U S Embassy. 

Al-Zeid's tirade was echoed by Arabs across the Middle East who are fed up with U.S. policy in the region and still angry over Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein. 

Abdel-Bari Atwan, editor of the influential London-based newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi, wrote on the newspaper's website that the incident was "a proper goodbye for a war criminal." 

The response to the incident by Arabs in the street was ecstatic. 

"Al-Zeidi is the man," said 42-year-old Jordanian businessman Samer Tabalat. "He did what Arab leaders failed to do." 

Ghazi Abu Baker, a 55-year-old shopkeeper in the West Bank town of Jenin said, "This journalist should be elected president of Iraq for what he has done." 

Hoping to capitalise on this sentiment, al-Zeidi's TV station, Al-Baghdadia, repeatedly aired pleas to release the reporter Monday, while showing footage of explosions and playing background music that denounced the US in Iraq. 

"We have all been mobilised to work on releasing him, and all the organisations around the world are with us," said Abdel-Hameed al-Sayeh, the manager of Al-Baghdadia in Cairo, where the station is based. 

Al-Jazeera television interviewed Saddam's former chief lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi, who offered to defend al-Zeidi, calling him a "hero."

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al-Qa'bong
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As one might expect, the Angry Arab is having a lot of fun with this.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

 

He's been making Arabs-and-their-shoes jokes for years.  As he would ask, would it be considered an insult in Canadian culture if a reporter were to throw his shoes at Stevie-Boy Harper?

 

What would happen if every time one of these blankety-blank rightwingers were to advocate waging war on Arabs and occupying their lands, shoes were thrown in their general direction?


radiorahim
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Hey...now I know what to do with all my old shoes!Cool

Doug
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al-Qa'bong wrote:

What would happen if every time one of these blankety-blank rightwingers were to advocate waging war on Arabs and occupying their lands, shoes were thrown in their general direction?

 

Imelda Marcos would have a fit of jealousy? Smile


Fidel
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Viva  al-Zaidi! Viva Iraq!

Ghislaine
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This link in the The New York Times I found very interesting, as it has reaction from many individual Iraqis of all walks of life. I haven't gotten through reading it all, but it is fascinating.


Star Spangled C...
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Doug wrote:
The dog part I get, but is there some special insult in throwing your shoes at someone that I'm not aware of?

It's like the biggest insult in the Arab/Islamic world. Because teh soles of your shoes touch the dirty ground, tehy are considered really unclean and offensive. I visited Egypt once for a medical conference and before meeting people I had this quick little session with my host about the cultural differences and was basically told that if I'm wearing shoes, the soles must be on the ground the whole time. Sitting cross-legged where the soles can be seen is like giving them the finger. And if you ever go into someone's house, it's jsut automatic that you take them off oat the door. To not do so would be like dragging feces through their home.

Remember when the Iraqis tore down the big Saddam statue? They immediately began hitting it with their shoes since this is the ultiamte sign of disrespect.


josh
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Bush throws a shoe at the world: "BUSH: One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand. This is where al Qaeda was hoping to take- RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded. BUSH: Yeah, that's right. So what?" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/15/bush-acknowledges-absence_n_151...

M. Spector
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On a serious note, Muntadhar al-Zeidi is in serious trouble. He was handed over to the Iraqi military and has been beaten and tortured. An international campaign is being mounted for his release, but in the meantime he is being badly mistreated.

This is Bush's idea of bringing freedom and the rule of law to Iraq.

 


lagatta
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References for the campaign to support this heroic journalist, Muntadhar al-Zeidi? Just saw this at Al-Jazeera - Free Bush shoe-thrower, Iraqis urge "The two shoes narrowly missed the US president as he gave a news conference in Baghdad Thousands of Iraqis have demonstrated in Baghdad's Sadr City in support of a journalist being held in custody after throwing his shoes at George Bush, the US president" (...) "Free Bush shoe-thrower, Iraqis urge The two shoes narrowly missed the US president as he gave a news conference in Baghdad Thousands of Iraqis have demonstrated in Baghdad's Sadr City in support of a journalist being held in custody after throwing his shoes at George Bush, the US president. Muntazer al-Zeidi was detained for what the Iraqi government on Monday said was a "barbaric and ignominious act" during a news conference the previous day. The outgoing US leader, who was making a surprise visit to Baghdad, had just told reporters that while the war in Iraq was not over "it is decisively on its way to being won," when al-Zeidi got to his feet and hurled abuse - and his footwear - at Bush. Bush, who had been giving a joint press statement with Nuri al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, ducked behind a podium as the shoes narrowly missed his head. "Millions of Iraqis or rather millions of the people of the world wish to do what Muntadhar did," Uday al-Zeidi, Mundathar's brother, said on Monday. "Thank God he had the guts to do it and avenge the Iraqi people and the country from those who plunder it and have killed its people." http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008121514483444081... I'll ask some people here in Iraq solidarity about a campaign to free Muntadhar and protect him from further abuse.

martin dufresne
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Mundathar is definitely a hero but we are deluding ourselves if we imagine that the puppet Iraki government will let him go free. They will want to make an example with the punishment meted out for the freedom he took.

lagatta
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martin, I don't think any of us have illusions about that, but it is our duty to support this heroic journalist. The latest news I have (via a poster at Bread and Roses) on Mundathar's fate and protests in support of him: http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m49624&hd=&size=1&l=e

martin dufresne
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"it is our duty to support this heroic journalist." Absolutely. Will do what I can.

lagatta
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Of course a petition isn't enough, but it can be a first step: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/iwffomuntatharalzaidi/index.html So far it has garnered support from many continents.

Doug
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It looks like Al-Zaidi is injured, but it's not clear if it's from when he was first jumped on by all the security people at the press conference or from later mistreatment. Neither source of the injuries would be a big surprise, but if it's the latter it pretty much proves in a way more visible than any other than the whole Iraq war with it's billions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost was for nothing.

Meanwhile, it seems the thrown shoes are becoming a much sought-after item. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785338.stm


Fidel
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They'll prolly murder him some time down the road, like the purged Iraqi academics and scientists on this partial list of those murdered by the American inquisition All this warfiteering because of Crazy George I's vendetta with former CIA pawn Saddam


Boom Boom
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I'd love to see someone mobilize a huge group of people to gather across from the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue, and throw their shoes onto the White House lawn as a symbolic protest! And do it soon!Laughing

bewaredabear
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what do you think would of happened had he thrown it at Saddam?

I would venture to guess he would be dead and his head on a stick! possibly his entire family as well. I would propose it prooves that democracy is at the very least in its infancy in Iraq.  


Frustrated Mess
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It proves that human spirit is alive and well in Iraq as it always has been. Nice to raise the spectre of Saddam. A man brought to kangaroo court, accused, convicted, and executed for war crimes by war criminals. The Iraqi people never did a thing more to Americans than throw a shoe at one president, and yet the Americans have murdered in the neighbourhood of 2.5 million Iraqis and have left another 4 million as refugees. Genocide by any count. Bush should share Saddam's fate with the same amount of dignity shown




Boom Boom
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Well said, FM.  Smile

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