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There is more to it than black and grey, good an evil, you're with us or against us.
i was pointing out that police may be called up to defend the rights of an organization in which the believe in, are impartial to or completely against.
They also show up to try and get girls numbers and show off their authority
I'm on the right side! Just kiding, I'm working on my puns.
You mean there is question that armed soldiers firing M16s into an unarmed crowd can be anything BUT self defense?
Stargazer,
But police offiers ARE citizens. Do you mean a non-law enforcement agency being in charge of handling police complaints? If so I agree.
Police O study the law, they have to. Do you mean study at university?
I don't think it's up to a police officer to determine why something occurs. I think that's up to the courts to determine.
What's comunity policing?
Totally agree.
With people trying to blow them up for visiting their countries uninvited, and with their own children begging Santa to get their parents to quit soldiering, they wouldn't provide a reliable enough source of union dues income.
Should a CEO of a large corporation be the person to conduct an investigation of said corporation? No, they shouldn't. Police should not police themselves. Period. I don't know how much clearer I can get on this.
Police do not study the law. They study what charges to lay as basics. That is the extent of the "law" they are taught. Perhaps some basic rules of evidence things and yes, they absolutely should have to have university or community college in approved sociology 101 and law 101 course, at minimum.
These are the people WITH WEAPONS, who are supposed to protect us and right now they have to pass a physical test and write a psychological test (wherein all those with empathy and traits associated with the left) are weaned out. The test is designed to ensure that cops have the state of mind to enforce sometimes stupid laws, and to deal with poor people and people of colour (FN people as well) as potential suspects. In fact, the police are taught we are all suspects first. The concept of innocent until proven guilty does not exist until the court stage, if even then.
And yes, when PoC join the force, they generally do take on the traits of the other white officers. It's join in or be ridiculed. It's called the police culture for a reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_policingOne thing to keep in mind is that the police are just as much targets as anybody else. In Winnipeg the mostly Aboriginal chronic car thieves have been deliberately driving into cops with sole aim of causing their deaths. Just yesterday a drunk Aboriginal was driving west on an eastbound street and rammed into a car going the opposite direction. It's a war zone here.
Was there a lot of damage to your vehicle, "girl"?
Can't we Realign "Realigned" into a Manitoba Provincial Reconstruction Team? He can rescue Manitoba "Girl" from the bad Aboriginals!
There's an HBO series in this thread! There's money to be made!
Where did you get the idea that it was okay to write racist tripe like this on babble? You've outlived your usefulness on babble, Manitoba Girl. Bye.
And what "usefulness" would that be, exactly?
This kind of statement may go over well in your circles, but it reeks of racism and cultural appropriation, just to name two. Let's not go there, shall we?
Kewl.
Actually, SG is right, and not just about the police. Most white folks are racist no matter what profession they're in. And that's a whole other conversation. Moving past that, as an anti-racist activist, I'm very concerned when white folks, the vast majority of whom are racist, who are trained and paid by the state, receive job training on how to restrain, injure and kill people, receive training on who "matters" and who doesn't (although they probably already "know" this) and then use this violence against society's more marginalized populations. With impunity. There's nothing that a few months of police training can do to instill racist attitudes that are already embedded in Canadian culture and haven't already been internalized by their recruits (and everyone else).
Similar to your "retard" comment in another thread, I request that you not use the term "coloured" to refer to people of colour. You may not think there's a huge difference between the terms "coloured people" and "people of colour", another fascinating topic that we've discussed on babble many times. You actually have a number of allies for this one, but that would be thread drift.
Realigned, there has been tons of documentation about how racist the police system is, from within and without, how all must comply with police culture, regardless of one's connection to maleness and whiteness. GIYF (google is your friend)
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Maysie: the babbler formerly known as bigcitygal.
FN people and those with FN blood (for lack of a better word) in them tend to tan really well. You call that racist? You're the mod you can call it what you want- me I think it's being over sensitive. Would it be racist of me to mention that african american soldiers don't apply as much face camo because they already have brown skin? I figure that's just a plain truth (something I am envious of I'll add) but I have a feeling somehow that can be constrewed as racist.
And I use the word coloured in the context that I did because I saw some of your established posters using people of colour and coloured people or somethingto the effect. I fail to see the difference. Coloured people people of colour. White males males who are white. I wonder if white people is racist, I've seen use the words white men without mention. Ultimately again, you're the mod. People of colour it is.
Nothing at all wrong with "most white folks are racist" at all
hi folks, not sure what thread to post this under exactly, but following up on the Afghanistan situation, the new governor of Kandahar stated on an interview last week at CBC radio http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/wesa-invu081218.mov (about 2/3 of the way along the clip) that CIDA and the federal gov't gave its money to SNC Lavalin to do the work on the Dhala dam in Kandahar province. as a reminder, here's who's on SNC's board- lots of familiar faces: http://www.snc-lavalin.com/about_board.php?lang=en .
I was drawn to the CBC interview initially because a radio clip included Wesa's catch-all phrase in support of Canada's 'development goals in the pipeline', which can be interpreted in several ways, and he reiterates this same phrase in the beginning of the linked clip above. Wesa as an agricultural 'expert' also promotes petrol-based chemical fertilizers and pesticides.
So we have the usual story, mega-pipelines, reconstruction of mega-dams, big chem-white ag, propped up by military boots on the ground and in the board rooms. and small farmers planting roadside bombs beside the pipeline/ highway corridors that bring the troops into their land along with the foreign companies who seek to control the water and other resources of Afghans.
I was referring more to the right to *strike* than paying union dues:
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/625/macnair.htm
No realigned. there is nothing at all with pointing out the fact that most people are racist. Thankfully, Manitoba Girl is gone, but she is the norm.
And talking about PoC's as "coloured" people is racist. Frankly, I don't care if you are offended by that or not. Suck it up. us FN people and people of colour have had to deal with racist bullshit since time immoriable. It's time for white people to realize just how much they own this world (in particular white men). I feel no pity about that and that reverse racism crap does not fly here.
So coloured people is racist, but white people aren't. Got it.
Can you link me to the thread explaining that? I'm honestly curious because I just can't wrap my head around it.
Make fun of me all you want, I don't believe "most people are racist" thats a convient excuse. I'm sure you will chalk it up to army brainwashing but in my group ofcoworkers there are white guys, black guys, native american, asian, chinese, philipeno, theres a mormon, muslim, jewish, people from downtown toronto, people from the country side. An thats only 40 of us. Our colour stops at tan, I feel sorry forany one who believes most people in the world is racist, you need to have a little more faith in your fellow man and woman.
Racism 101 on resistracism blog: http://resistracism.wordpress.com/racism-101/
The Art of Defending Racism (please note, this is a sarcastic article) http://community.livejournal.com/sex_and_race/296541.html
Resources for Change: http://www.accesstomedia.org/rfc/
We Heard it Before on resistracism blog: http://resistracism.wordpress.com/we-heard-it-before/
Jane Elliot's Blue Eyes Brown Eyes exercise (thanks to AfroHealer): http://www.janeelliott.com/learningmaterials.htm
There's more where those came from.
Quick question, oh quacky Unionist. How the hell do you expect to train people to fly the military aircraft that are necessary to meet up with other high performance military grade aircraft and perform these things? You sort of need an airforce to train a large pool of skilled pilots.
We don't need an air force, still less a "large pool of skilled pilots", to shine bright lights on aircraft once in 20 or 30 years or so. We didn't need them then. We should not have been then, nor now, part of NORAD. We should not have been in any kind of "war" with the Soviets or anyone else since 1945, hot, cold, or any other temperature.
What we need are specialized forces for police work, civil emergencies, search and rescue, and occasional peacekeeping operations. The money saved from Realigned-style "save the damsel from the Islamists" operations would supplement those needs quite nicely. We could also start concentrating on international alliances for peace (like the U.N.), not war (like NATO and NORAD).
Have no fear - our sarcasm resistance movement has only begun!!
Hi realigned:
You said that you've heard various comments about pervasive racism before and don't really believe them. I hope that you will check out the links that were provided above since they may broaden your understanding of others' experiences and points of view. My sense is that, despite having heard about these viewpoints, you haven't previously done the kind of delving into them that would help shed some understanding and perhaps agreement with them.
Because of my own experience of being immersed in military culture and its attendant acculturation, I know that it can be very hard to break through to a point where other ideas can be heard. I hope that you seriously consider what is being offered to you here -- I would urge you to try to suspend rejection of the ideas as a first response and apply some deep critical thinking about these thoughts, ideas and experiences.
As you are hearing, many people here have different interpretations of their experiences and those they've heard from others. While I didn't always hold this view, I have come to believe the idea of police officers and the military as enforcers for the corporate sector, in our communities and in our world, as quite valid.
I'm very saddened by that because I think that many men and women, regardless of their ethnicity, join both with good intentions but get so shaped by the culture of those environments that critical thinking on any number of issues is absent and certainly frowned upon, when it rears its head.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on the matter, having come from places similar to the one in which you find yourself (intellectually, that is).
Stargazer I usually like your posts quite a bit but this sounds silly. You're throwing around white males with the same venom Manitoba Girl was throwing around aborigionals. Why is it okay for you?
So to wrap my head around this.. You (and others) basically judging other human beings by the colour of their skin, basically.
And you can't see (or don't care) how someone would conclude that's being racist too? Or the rules are different because it is being addressed to someone who is white. Okay. "You're reverse racisim cries fall on deaf ears here"
I think racisim is racisim but I'm new at this =) I'll take a look at the links provided above, thanks Malayse (and reply you Loretta) after work.
Excatly.
You could always dig up.
Once again, for the cheap seats in the back:
From the Angry Black Woman, "Some things You Need To Understand #1" http://theangryblackwoman.com/2006/05/07/some-things-you-need-to-understand-1/
From The Angry Black Woman, "Some Things You Need to Understand #4" http://theangryblackwoman.com/2006/09/14/things-you-need-to-understand-4/
I'll end my lecture with a link to Tim Wise. He's not an angry black woman, he's a middle class white guy! So he *must* be right! (Actually I love Tim's writing a whole lot, he can reach many people that can't otherwise be reached.)
"White Whine: Reflections on The Brain-Rotting Properties of Privilege"
http://www.zmag.org/zspace/commentaries/1901
"You (and others) basically judging other human beings by the colour of their skin, basically."
That's pretty rich coming from someone who basically guns down Afghan people by the manner of their dress, basically.
The new elbbab never fails to bemuse. Is this some kind of thought experiment - pretend someone is just "confused" and see if we can turn around his basic instincts by providing hyperlinks to reading material?
What about that tingling feeling in the back of your spine? Doesn't that count for anything any more?