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Massacre in Gaza: Israeli strikes kill more than 200

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al-Qa'bong
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Unionist wrote:

josh wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your point, but the term Israeli lobby is fine.

My point wasn't made clearly. I condemn the "Jewish lobby" terminology, and I agree with you on that.

I wanted to point to the danger of using "Israel lobby". From the Wikipedia entry about Walt and Mearsheimer's book:

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The authors state that the "core of the Lobby" is "American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." They note that "not all Jewish-Americans are part of the Lobby," and that "Jewish-Americans also differ on specific Israeli policies."

It gives me the shivers.

That quote is so selective it could have come from MEMRI, and it's a distortion of what Walt and Meirsheimer wrote.  Not only do they bend over backwards to point out that they don't believe the Israel Lobby is a conspiracy of rich Jews who run everything, they spend a lot of ink on the Christian end-time zealots who are part of the lobby.

 

Anyway, back to the thread topic:

 Disinformation, secrecy and lies: How the Gaza offensive came about

"Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas. According to the sources, Barak maintained that although the lull would allow Hamas to prepare for a showdown with Israel, the Israeli army needed time to prepare, as well."

 

So much for Hamas' homemade rocket attacks being the provocation for this crime against humanity.

 


Frustrated Mess
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Gee, could the NDP statement have been any weaker? The UN does provide medical and food aid to Gaza when Israeli allows the siege to be lifted long enough for some propaganda points.




Cueball
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remind wrote:
New Democrat statement on the situation in the Middle East

Mon 29 Dec 2008

Canada's New Democrats condemn the unacceptable escalation of violence in the Middle East causing death and injury to so many civilians in the Gaza Strip and Israel.

It is a tragedy that hundreds of civilians have again become the victims of violence in this conflict. The continuing airstrikes by Israel on civilians in the Gaza strip and the ongoing rocket attacks on Israeli civilians are serving to compound the existing civilian disaster and further harm chances for a negotiated peace.

We call on the Government of Canada to immediately call for an end to the aerial bombing of Gaza, the blockade of aid to civilians and the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israel. Indeed, the government must urge both sides to agree to end the current hostilities immediately, reinstate the ceasefire and return to the peace process.

The Government of Canada should also work to ensure that medical and food aid is provided to the civilians of Gaza through U.N. agencies.

New Democrats believe that Canada must pursue a balanced approach to the Middle East crisis, in keeping with Canadians' deep desire for peace in the Middle East and are ready to work with the new administration in the U.S. towards a lasting peace in the region. This goal cannot be achieved while citizens in such large numbers are being killed and endangered.

http://www.ndp.ca/press/new-democrat-statement-on-situation-in-middle-east

Total garbage.


LeighT
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CBC at 6-ish:  "Israel has shied away from retaking the entire strip"

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/12/29/gaza-attacks.html

apparently because of possible 'drawn out urban warfare', implying that retaking the entire strip is a goal/threat, esp.if they have over 6k troops amassed on the border.

and rockets from the entrapped aimed now at Ashkelon, desired port of middleman BP gas to be taken from Gaza's offshore marine reserves and sold to Israel.  the telegraph UK reported on this in Nov. 07.

EU and Can/US quiet in cahoots with INOGATE www.inogate.com (nice gas and oil maps) and other current partners.


Webgear
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Hey, be nice, it only took around 48 hours to release that statement. A lot of hard work went into it.

 


LeighT
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sorry, that was www.inogate.org and related maps are at:

http://www.inogate.org/inogate/en/resources/maps


LeighT
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and here the earlier telegraph article, re British Gas,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643848/Gaza-doesn't-need-aid-it-has-a-andpound2bn-gas-field.html

likely you folks can find lots of better relevant pieces


Frustrated Mess
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Webgear wrote:

Hey, be nice, it only took around 48 hours to release that statement. A lot of hard work went into it.

 

 

No doubt. It takes quite a bit of effort to write a statement that says essentally nothing while managing to steer clear of  any appearance of having articulated an actual position. The Liberals would be proud.




LeighT
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and the Ashkelon link from this,

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008122994140674153.html

and earlier reports of the role of Ashkelon as an energy hub, can't find them now, much of my old email wiped out, sorry for all the dots

Cueball
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What is says to me is that 1 Israeli life is worth 300 odd Palestinians. This because each statement about the massive airial assault on Gaza, using the most technically advanced ordinance and delivery systems in the world in the hands of one of the most powerful armies in the world is "balanced" against miscelaneous toy rocket launches by unidentifieed Palestinians militants, as if they are similar activities, with simillar consequences.

 To call it mealy-mouthed would be kind. The NDP is fucked.


ceti
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The NDP is ducking the issue, because they either are genuinely afraid of Zionist reaction (no small consideration -- even a mild rebuke of Israel elicits a sophisticated and long lasting campaign of vilification and defamation), are too craven to care about Gaza, or actually have individuals within the party pushing the Israeli hardline.

Harper's  bloodthirstiness is to be expected, but anyone with even the slightest sense of remorse or pity is in a tough position, not that that provides any excuses.

 


Cueball
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Craven.

Frustrated Mess
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[{quote]

"Israel is acting in clear self-defense in response to heinous rocket attacks from Hamas-controlled Gaza," Hoyer said in a statement issued by his office this afternoon. "As a sovereign nation, Israel has an unequivocal right to take action to ensure the security and safety of her citizens. Indiscriminate attacks by Hamas are a serious detriment to the peace process in the region.

From Barack O'Bush's party where the audacity of hope has been replaced by the mendacity of empire.

 


Cueball
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Here you go Nofactum:

Nice footage of some Gandhi's being beaten and gassed. The best part of it is when the IDF boys shoot a tear gas canister into the front door of the ambulance, driving out the injured and their attendants.

Saffa

More Gandhi's being beaten, shot at with rubber bullets and gassed. This one features a nice scene of an arrested person being manhandled by 8 or 10 IOF guys in full combat gear. Not good enough for one of our IOF heros, who takes the opportunity to put the boot in.

What you wont see on your boob-tube

Your heros shooting an unarmed protestor, no where near any soldiers, with live amunition.

Bilin

Similar incident

Why don't you see this shit on the boob tube? Because it's for boobs, like you.

 


remind
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How about a new thread  here

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punch drunk
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you got it

 

 


martin dufresne
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Please do it elsewhere.

punch drunk
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        David Grossman / Is Israel too imprisoned in the familiar ceremony of war?         After its severe strike on Gaza, Israel would do well to stop, turn to Hamas' leaders and say: Until Saturday Israel held its fire in the face of thousands of Qassams from the Gaza Strip. Now you know how harsh its response can be. So as not to add to the death and destruction we will now hold our fire unilaterally and completely for the next 48 hours. Even if you fire at Israel, we will not respond with renewed fighting. We will grit our teeth, as we did all through the recent period, and we will not be dragged into replying with force.

Moreover, we invite interested countries, neighbors near and far, to mediate between us and you to bring back the cease-fire. If you hold your fire, we will not renew ours. If you continue firing while we are practicing restraint, we will respond at the end of this 48 hours, but even then we will keep the door open to negotiations to renew the cease-fire, and even on a general and expanded agreement.

That is what Israel should do now. Is it possible, or are we too imprisoned in the familiar ceremony of war?
     

Until Saturday, Israel under Ehud Barak's military leadership showed remarkable cool. It should not lose its cool in the heat of battle. We should not forget even for a moment that the people of the Gaza Strip will remain our close neighbors and that sooner or later we will want to achieve good neighborly relations with them.

The Rest here:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051008.html

 

 


Frustrated Mess
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Every cold blooded killer has a rationalization.

Let's examine the raitionalization of the apologists of cold blooded murder. Because Palestinians lunch rockets blindly into sparsely populated areas of Israel, Israel has a justification to commit mass murder of Palestinians. Basically, hundreds of eyes for an eye. Understood.

But Israel has herded 1.5 million Palestinians into a sealed ghetto, not unlike Warsaw, where they are starved, brutalized, and denied even the most basic human needs. So applying the Israeli rationalization for mass murder, Palestinians are justified in harvesting the eyes of Israelis for generations to come. But wait! Why are Palestinians ghettoized, dehumanized, and brutalized before being subject to Israel's rationalization for mass murder? Becasue the elected a government, democratically, as was demaned by Israel and her patron, the state brutalizing Iraq, the US. Racists of a feather ...

The worst part of this is why it is taking place. It has nothing to do with rockets. It is because Lvini knows she must parade about in Palestinian blood to have any hope of defeating the monster Bibi. A monster with a baby's nickname.

Imagine, in Israel, it takes being a monster to defeat a monster for the right to oppress and dehumanize a human population. So much to be proud of.

I hope Palestinians are more humane and forgiving than their racist oppressors. The blacks of South Africa where. 

 


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