Massacre in Gaza: Part 2

If only this was as black and white as some here would like to believe. Here is an article to at least cogitate upon.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3647296,00.html

What a bunch of fucking lies, thanks for that Ohara.

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Well, to be precise its not [only] a pack of lies.

The best propaganda uses carefully packaged and circumscribed truths. Goebbels probably said something like that.

 But this propaganda is an outrageous apology for a massacre.

I think you should piss off ohara. Seriously.

Call it intolerance, or whatever you like, but get out of here for the time being.

 It would be easy to respond to your propaganda. But serve no purpose then to get everyone even angrier.

Quotes from the Hamas Covenant:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory). "

"This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised. "

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes. "

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:

"The people of Syria are Allah's lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation."

 

 

 

You want a detailed critique of that fascist bullshit?

How about start at No.1 which argues that proportionality doesn´t matter and that Israelis should be allowed to kill 10 Palestinians for every Israeli(that ratio has gone way up now as well), no mention of whether they are civillians, women and children.  That was the exact attitude of the Phalangists in the Spanish Civil War, Sharon and Olmert and their fans have company with that policy.

This is all obvious, everyone I know from young to very old is apalled by this massacre, its just apologists like yourself who don´t get it, and I doubt you ever will.  Real racists are rarely cured, they are just eventually made irrelevant.

There's nothing new there Ghislaine.

The Hamas document does not even begin to establish the justification for a massacre- leaving aside whether such a possibility should be allowed for.

While your propaganda is not as offensive as Ohara's- it is at best meaningless. For example, even IF there is some exaggeration about Israel cutting off humanitarion aid... so what? That means there isn't a massacre?!??

So in the context of the reality ypur propaganda also serves no purpose other than to make people even madder.

Meanwhile the UN has called the cut-off to aid a crime against humanity. Racists lie even while killing. I mean, if Israel's actions are anything less than barbaric and evil before the massacre, why did they bar journalists from going there? Yes, yes, for their own safety.

Your link does not indicate that Israel created Hamas, it states that Israel provided support - legal and otherwise. The article notes that Sheik Yassin created Hamas. 

That's another immoral question, at a time when bombs are falling on police stations and universities. Have you no shame?

Why is it an immoral question? I am talking about rockets that were flying previous to these bombs.

Ghislaine, give it a rest eh,  read critically and learn something before you spout off your nonsense. Though I suspect these words will fall on your deaf ears too!

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If you dig a trench extending from a river, the water will flow into it.

Not really any point in deconstructing this text one more time, except to say that the concept of Jihad, roughly equates to struggle in an Muslim, and Arabic context. Stuggle can be personal, or external, and include anything from demonstrations to violence. Interpretting the concept, as it is done by you, and most of the western media, and political figures, as "war" is simply an example of your own ignorance and gullibility.

As for the text of the document itself, it has been interpretted variously by different Hamas officials, the late, Ismail Abu Shanab (assassinated by Israel in 2003) interpreted the destruction of Israel to mean the incorporation of Israel into an democratic Republic comprised of the entirety of Palestine, where all persons would (inlcuding the Jews who live their now) would have equal rights and vote in general elections. He mused that the majority, which would be Muslim would naturally vote for some kind of Muslim leadership.

Not quite the blood thirsty genocide that you imagine the document to mean. But of course, interpretations made by Hamas officials, are never widely promoted or talked about, leaving Israeli appologists to apply the most heinous interpretation to the text, without nuance or subtlety.

I'll leave you with this. Not some western or Israeli pundit talking about what Hamas intends, but what Hamas say they mean in their charter, as offered by Ismail Abu Shanab

In other words Israel itself elminated the most moderat Hamas leadership deliberately.

Consider for a second that if you read this interview, that you are for the first time in your life, actually reading the entire text of a Hamas official, in context, and complete, and ask yourself why this is?