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70,000+ jobs lost in November - Merry Christmas from Steven Harper

Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Lard Tunderin Jeezus
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Forgive me, Konservative Komrades - he is prepared to do something for his underemployed friends in the advertising sector. Herr Harper will pour millions of dollars into lies and propaganda over the next seven weeks.

 


Doug
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Canadian oil companies that only months ago were struggling to keep up with demand are facing having to shut in huge quantities of their production if oil prices continue to weaken.

In a report to clients yesterday, Merrill Lynch & Co. estimated almost 800,000 barrels a day of crude -- almost 30% of Canadian total output -- could go "off line" if oil prices dip below US$38 a barrel, the break-even price for some projects. Another 800,000 b/d could be shut in if oil falls below US$30.

http://www.financialpost.com/trading_desk/energy/story.html?id=1033887

Yes, Alberta - you too will be in the shit shortly.


Fidel
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Herr sweater will have to slash corporate taxes for the majority foreign-owned and controlled energy companies asap. Harpler's plan to deal with the recession?: shovel even more money out of the country at a frenzied pace  


munroe
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No big deal for the big chief.  After all he got to keep his job for a few weeks.

George Victor
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Chomsky on political advertising :

And notice incidentally on the side that the institutions that run the elections, public relations industry, advertisers, they have a role—their major role is commercial advertising. I mean, selling a candidate is kind of a side rule. In commercial advertising as everybody knows, everybody who has ever looked at a television program, the advertising is not intended to provide information about the product, all right? I don’t have to go on about that. It’s obvious. The point of the advertising is to delude people with the imagery and, you know, tales of a football player, sexy actress, who you know, drives to the moon in a car or something like that. But, that’s certainly not to inform people. In fact, it’s to keep people uninformed.

The goal of advertising is to create uninformed consumers who will make irrational choices. Those of you who suffered through an economics course know that markets are supposed to be based on informed consumers making rational choices. But industry spends hundreds of millions of dollars a year to undermine markets and to ensure, you know, to get uninformed consumers making irrational choices.

And when they turn to selling a candidate they do the same thing. They want uninformed consumers, you know, uninformed voters to make irrational choices based on the success of illusion, slander, and effective body language or whatever else is supposed to be significant. So you undermine democracy pretty much the same way you undermine markets. Well, that’s the nature of an election when it’s run by the business world, and you’d expect it to be like that. There should be no surprise there. And it should also turn out the elected candidate didn’t have any debts. So you can follow Brand Obama can be whatever they decide it to be, not what the population decides that it should be, as in the south, let’s say. I’m going to say on the side, this may be an actual instance of a familiar and unusually vacuous slogan about the clash of civilization. Maybe there really is one, but not the kind that’s usually touted.

------------------------------------------------------------ We should be doing our best to counter the ads, eh LTJ ?  Perhaps ads telling about lying ads? Undecided Making the distinction believable? Listing the lies?

buffa2
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Hi everyone...I'm Back!

Now how do you blame this on Mr Harper?

Try watching something other then CBC Commie New Network!

The greed of the Unions have more to do with this then you want to realize. The over inflated wages ($75+ for doing Monkey Work?)...hell a skilled Tradesman doesn't make that kind of money. I'm sorry, just can't see handing that kind of wage over to someone who can barely tei thier shoes....Monkey Work!

How is it the other Auto makers can get away with paying under $50.00 a hour? If you really want to save the CAW roll back the wages by half! That is still a very good living wage...that is about the same as I make after 32+ years in the Service, I own a house, Car, Truck, 5th Wheel, put 3 kids through school...One thinks you must be living beyond your means if you can't live on $40.00 a hour...but that is the Union way isn't it?

The Big Three just don't seem to get it...try building vehicles people want at a better price. If you NDP (NAZI) Party types would have a look south of the border there are acres and acres of new cars not being sold...there is a reason for that...first there is no cash and second the Big Three are not building what people want!

To think that firing 30 Billion at the problem is going to help is a pipe dream. Mr Harper really needs to take his time and make sure that we are not tossing good money after bad! The Big Three have had year to get this right and they keep screwing it up! You can thank Uncle Buzz for a lot of that...sorry Monkey Work dosn't deserve $75.00+ per hour!

Take a reality pill, get a mitt and get in the game! If the price of Oil keeps dropping like it is all those loving Transfer Dollars from Alberta will soon dry up...hell they are laying folks off in Fort Mac now it can't be too for behind. Won't be long before Comrade Williams in St John's will be crying the blues again too....good thing Taliban Jack up the Dummy signed that deal for Queerbec....I'm sure they will enjoy our extra Billions in tax $$$'s.

 

I just can't get over the way you all think that Herr Layton is the answer. Where is all this money coming from? You think it is right to push this country into deeper debt? WHo is going to pay for it? Hell I don't want to see my Grandchildrens Kids paying off mistakes made by the CAW & the other Unions in the country...DO YOU? Or is it just all about yourself now and screw your Kids and thier Kids?

There is no magic switch that can be flipped to make 1000's of jobs appear overnight! There needs to be cuts in every Federal Department, Military, CBC, Welfare, Indian Affairs....everyone needs to take a hit including the Welfare we pay for each Vote! If you can't raise your own money then you don't deserve to have a party to run...hell the BQ wouldn't last six months without money from Ottawa (our Tax Dollars).

 Please try looking outside the Box for a couple of days and having a look at the bigger picture!

Cheers, Buffa

 


djelimon
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"The over inflated wages ($75+ for doing Monkey Work?)"

 

Do you have some sort ofsource to back up this allegation?

 

"WHo is going to pay for it?"

 

Who is going to pay for Oabama's plan? Who did Gordon Brown tap for money?

 

It's called progressive taxation.

 

"If you can't raise your own money then you don't deserve to have a party to run..."

 

Yes, canada does not deserve more than one political party, and only people with spare money should take part in the political process. Glad to see you're honest.


George Victor
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Don't know how your lead wound up in this condition, LTJ. Maybe it's the CPC sickos.

Try another thread with a lead article on what is happening to manufacturing (maybe manufacturing in the west, to satisfy the Oil Patch defenders) as a result of a policy of floating the dollar - and winding up with parity and a non-competitive industry?

The exchange rate is just about right, now, below 80 cents, eh?

How do we maintain it at that level?  Hell, China can get away with fixing the exchange rate.  Why not us?

But, more particularly, when is "Steve" going to create the climate for the manufacture of our own green technology?  Including autos?


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Doug wrote:
Canadian oil companies that only months ago were struggling to keep up with demand are facing having to shut in huge quantities of their production if oil prices continue to weaken.

In a report to clients yesterday, Merrill Lynch & Co. estimated almost 800,000 barrels a day of crude -- almost 30% of Canadian total output -- could go "off line" if oil prices dip below US$38 a barrel, the break-even price for some projects. Another 800,000 b/d could be shut in if oil falls below US$30.

http://www.financialpost.com/trading_desk/energy/story.html?id=1033887

Yes, Alberta - you too will be in the shit shortly.

Maybe already ...

Alberta bankruptcies on the rise as oilsands downturn cools economy

 

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In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, Baby


mcgregok
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Don't think Mr Harper is responsiable for the downfall of GM and Ford Moters. Demand is the problem. No one wants cars. Maybe you all think Mr Harper should buy alll canadians a new car just to help Ontario.

Fidel
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mcgregok wrote:
Don't think Mr Harper is responsiable for the downfall of GM and Ford Moters. Demand is the problem. No one wants cars. Maybe you all think Mr Harper should buy alll canadians a new car just to help Ontario.

Car companies are looking for at least $6 billion in handouts from Canadian taxpayers. Do we believe either the Tories or Liberals will say no?

Do we believe either the Tories or Liberals will place any stipulations on bail/donation money that might be beneficial for the environment or future jobs in Canada? Or will it be free money as usual?

And with all that oil and gas siphoned out of Canada at rock-bottom royalties and taxation, sure we should all be driving new hybrids and have well-funded modern public transit, and well-funded socialized medicine, and a national daycare program, and a national dental and drug program etc like several other rich countries have had for years and years.


Frustrated Mess
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mcgregok wrote:
Don't think Mr Harper is responsiable for the downfall of GM and Ford Moters. Demand is the problem. No one wants cars. Maybe you all think Mr Harper should buy alll canadians a new car just to help Ontario.

 What would that cost? He did put Canadians $300 billion in debt for the banks - banks that are making money off the interest and fees you pay. But, hey, to each his own right?

On the other hand, you have a point. It isn't Stephen Harper's fault the auto industry is in trouble. True. But what is his plan to provide Canada with a new direction so economic problems don't become economic disasters? And here's the thing: he doesn't have one.

There is no plan. To understand what that means, here is some perspective: Your home is now more difficult to sell. It isn't worth as much as it was a year ago. It's value could drop as much as 30%. You are now paying more for your credit card charges, you are or will pay more and higher bank fees. Your job isn't certain and with every new layoff it becomes less certain. And the man you support as Prime Minister comes to the Canadian people not with a plan but an insult.

And you stand behind him? What does that say about you? DUH.


It's Me D
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I'm still hung up on the definition of "Monkey Work," our new Buffa-friend says he spent his career in the military, and its true that left to their own devices monkey's do not perpetrate violence upon each other on a large scale as do human military forces, but surely they could be trained to point guns and pull triggers as easily as they could be trained to work in large-scale manufacturing (which you might have noticed they also do not engage in when left to their own devices); perhaps what sets "Monkey Work" apart from "human" work is that Monkey's lack the degenerate moral qualities humans are capable of possessing? Should pay be proportionally linked, not to performance, but to immoral conduct? Or is it already? It certainly sets us apart from the Monkeys.

sniper
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Awesome Point Buffa....glad to see there is someone on here with a Brain!

Sniper


djelimon
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What happened to "one shot one kill?"

johnpauljones
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Harper and McGuinty quite a good right wing team.....


mybabble
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The present job failures are not this governments fault thats a given but what they done to help Canadians get out of their predicament is a different story as they appear to be following the wishes of a few.  Do they really know whats going to on, any of them?  Not really as we can clearly all see and I'm certain there will be many blunders but leaving Canadians to die on the streets is not only a blunder but an atrocity as the social safety net has been all but depleted by the right wing as they use the public dime for their pleasure.  I say save the bailout for the little guy its his dime that has made this country what it is and not big corporations who rape and pillage the lands and our resources in the name of profit and not humanity and payoff are politicians looking for favors.  Harper should do himself a favor and ensure Canadian's basic needs are met with approval by the Conservatives if he wants to continue to rule the day. 


It's Me D
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Nothing they've done or failed to do was a blunder or an accident and they certainly do know what is going on. They just don't care.

Fidel
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Worst job losses since 1982

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OTTAWA – Conservative stalling on creating economic stimulus cost the Canadian economy over 100, 000 jobs in the last two months of 2008. This is the worst loss that the country has experienced since 1982.

“For the people losing their jobs, these aren’t just numbers. The reality of the recession is hitting home and hardworking people are struggling to find ways to support themselves and their families,” says Yvon Godin (Acadie-Bathurst), New Democrat critic for Employment Insurance.

“A major concern for these families is getting access to employment insurance, since the necessary changes to make it more accessible have been consistently delayed by the Conservatives,” adds Godin...

“Where has this government been? They were in denial about the economic downturn so long that they failed to prepare for a recession,” says Allen. “It’s pretty late now to start scrambling to put re-training programs into place.”

New Democrats have consistently proposed ways to reform the EI system and create training programs since before the last time Canada faced such a crisis in job loss.


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