Alternative Earth Visions (or is the planet just a dead resource for humans to consume?) By: gram swaraj (22 replies) January 20, 2009 - 6:02am
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- If I might continue in By: rdstanley (Jan 20 2009 - 9:19am)
I agree.
I see statements of principles but I also see a failure to grasp the reality of the situation. For example, where will the resources come from to sustain cities, lay rail, and build rail cars? What will power them? And homes? Just wind? What about population?
Currently, we are well on our way to 7 billion human beings on this little planet. How will we feed them? The only way to feed all the people on earth, poorly, is through the very industrial systems that allowed us to reach this point of overshoot and places us at the point of collapse.
If we eliminate fossil fuels from agriculture we lose millions of acres of land to feed the horses and oxen required to do the work of tractors. If we eliminate fossil fuel from textiles and materials, we lose millions more to cotton and pasture for wool.
If we divert ever scarcer water ( http://www.truthout.org/012109EA ) to cities we lose water for irrigation and people starve. If we divert for irrigation cities go dry and precious top soil is risked through over production.
You see, we have ourselves trapped. If we stop we collapse and if we continue we collapse.