scott
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Wilf Day wrote:

I don't know whether Layton should speak up -- BC babblers please respond -- but I very much hope federal NDP MPs from BC will do so.

I am OK with federal MPs speaking up. Several NDP MPs have spoken up in favour of pro-rep, but I haven't heard any advocate for BC-STV yet. Let the lobbying begin. Wink

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Many provincial MLAs may choose to stay silent in order to keep electoral reform a non-partisan issue, on the theory that the voting system belongs to the people, not the politicians -- which is very true.

This is a reasonable position if the threshold was 50% +1, but with a 60% threshold choosing to stand aside from the decision is the same as a NO vote, because an effort must be made for it to pass. Sadly I think that this is the majority opinion among BC-NDP leaders, They want STV to fail, but want to appear in favour on pro-rep as a matter of principle, so they stans aside from the decision. Among rank and file members the level of knowledge on the issue is very low, which leads me to belive that here has been no discussion within the party.

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Also, a few BC New Democrats give priority to their self-interest in forming a government with a manufactured majority

Bingo. I think this position is short sided though. The NDP stands to benefit from STV in the sense that they will recieve a net benefit from Green vote transfers. I think that many dippers believe that if pro-rep is defeated that the Green Party will collapse and that the BC-NDP will recieve the green votes. I don't think that this willl happen, given Green polling over the last 20 years.

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However, the federal NDP needs a win for proportional representation in BC in order to keep the issue on the table across Canada. Federal NDP MPs in BC can safely say our undemocratic voting system needs improvement, and they should.

I will be looking forward to hearing from them.Smile

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Should Layton call on BC NDP voters to support Pro Rep in the upcoming referendum? By: Brian White (107 replies) January 29, 2009 - 11:20pm
  • Naci_Sey wrote:The NDP is By: Fidel (Feb 6 2009 - 12:30am)
  • As far as I can gather from By: Wilf Day (Feb 8 2009 - 12:52am)
  • Naci_Sey wrote: Had MMP been By: Peter3 (Feb 5 2009 - 11:48pm)
  • Don't think that's clear at By: Naci_Sey (Feb 5 2009 - 11:20pm)
  • So Carole James is not By: NorthReport (Feb 5 2009 - 10:20pm)
  • A complete answer. Did you By: Naci_Sey (Feb 5 2009 - 10:00pm)
  • I'm curious what answer By: Fartful Codger (Feb 5 2009 - 9:51pm)
  • From a blog post I wrote By: Naci_Sey (Feb 5 2009 - 9:33pm)
  • It is kinda funny that By: Brian White (Feb 5 2009 - 9:07pm)
  • Re: Should Layton call on BC NDP voters to support Pro Rep in th By: V. Jara (Feb 3 2009 - 3:49am)
  • theleftyinvestor wrote: By: Wilf Day (Feb 3 2009 - 12:12am)
  • I think the trouble is that By: theleftyinvestor (Feb 1 2009 - 1:11pm)
  • Peter3 wrote:I'm curious By: Wilf Day (Jan 31 2009 - 11:13pm)
  • Peter3 wrote:It is not By: Naci_Sey (Jan 31 2009 - 9:44pm)
  • When Ontario had its By: Peter3 (Jan 31 2009 - 8:48pm)
  • Am a BC resident and have By: Naci_Sey (Jan 31 2009 - 8:12pm)
  • remind wrote:No, it is none By: scott (Jan 31 2009 - 7:33pm)
  • Which some people can't By: Coyote (Jan 31 2009 - 7:01pm)
  • No, it is none of the By: remind (Jan 31 2009 - 6:23pm)
  •  I think most of the By: Brian White (Jan 31 2009 - 5:52pm)
  • Wilf Day wrote:I don't know By: scott (Jan 31 2009 - 6:51pm)
  • I don't know whether Layton By: Wilf Day (Jan 31 2009 - 3:51pm)
  • Re: Should Layton call on BC NDP voters to support Pro Rep in th By: munroe (Jan 31 2009 - 3:45pm)
  • Brian White wrote:  Pro rep By: the grey (Jan 31 2009 - 1:52pm)
  • Re: Should Layton call on BC NDP voters to support Pro Rep in th By: Stockholm (Jan 31 2009 - 12:35pm)
  • Some people cite Tommy By: Ken Burch (Jan 31 2009 - 5:05am)
  • What is the NDP "in By: Coyote (Jan 30 2009 - 11:16pm)
  • Actually  Pro Rep is By: Brian White (Jan 30 2009 - 10:22pm)
  • V. Jara wrote:I think it By: Brian White (Jan 30 2009 - 10:17pm)
  • I think it would be an By: V. Jara (Jan 30 2009 - 4:23am)
  • The federal party is By: Coyote (Jan 30 2009 - 2:32am)
  •  So they are not allowed to By: Brian White (Jan 30 2009 - 1:55am)
  • Has anyone seen By: NorthReport (Jan 30 2009 - 1:16am)
  • The provincial sections are By: Coyote (Jan 30 2009 - 1:04am)
  • Brian White wrote:  That By: jasonJ2 (Jan 30 2009 - 12:35am)