Could FPTP and PR be made compatible? By: Machjo (27 replies) February 5, 2009 - 8:54pm
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Machjo,
Citizens Assembly on Electoral Reform in BC considered questions similar to yours and concluded that a form of STV would be the best solution. 58% of BC voters agreed and supported the idea in 2005.
AT
Electoral Reform is an eventuality!!!
Former Member of the Citizens Assembly of BC on Electoral Reform
But would the pro-PR crowd go for it? Though it's preferable to FPTP, STV is still based on voting for the candidate, not the party at all. So it still leans a little more towards FPTP than it does towards PR. the list system of course is just pure PR, and the MMP system leans more towards PR than FPTP. So my concern would be that while thos who prefer to vote for candidates than parties would oppose the list system and might feel quite uncomfortable with MMP, those who support more power for parties are likely to feel that STV might not go ar enough, or am I wrong? 58% of BC voters is an impressive number though, I'll give you that. Do you think this could work at the federal level too?
Either way, I suppose that any supporter of a party system would still prefer STV to FPTP at least. Looking at it that way, even those who might feel it doesn't go far enough are likely to support it as a step forward at least. That's another way of looking at it I suppose.
Another thing I've noticed is that some voters sometimes do not even know the name of teh candidate they're voting for, just voting blindly for the party. Getting rid of listing the name of a party underneath a candidate's name might make voters more responsible by forcing them to at least know the name of the candidate they're voting for.
After all, it does happen that an MP disagrees with his party on some fundamenal issue and ends up leaving the party. For people who vote blindly for the party under a TPTP or STV system might find his vote to be a wasted one. But if he's more familiar with the actual candidate he's voting for, it might help to put independent candidates on a more equal footing and to prevent them from voting for a candidate who's only luke warm to his ideas. To take an example, let's suppose that ideologically the voter sits between the Liberals and the NDP, then clearly it would be better for him to vote for a representative of the NDP's right or the Liberals' left. To do that though, he needs to know the candidate better, so by getting rid of party names from teh ballot might help to accomplish this.