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THE NDP: A Risk You Can't Afford

KenS
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ewww...

drum rolls.

Scary stuff. THE NDP: A Risk You Can't Afford in huge looming orange block letters on a threatening black background.

That being the title page for a 33 page document you can read at www.riskyndp.ca

Chock full of little gems like the following quoted in today's headline Herald story.

  

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 The document lists 26 items the NDP has talked about since the last election and puts a price tag of $2.2 billion on them over four years. It lists 43 other items that don’t have price tags.

But the Tories use the term "promise" liberally. For example, the Tory document lists a quote from an NDP news release on April 28 calling on the transportation minister to "come up with a plan for Nova Scotians who live on highly travelled dirt roads."

Mr. MacIsaac said that amounts to a promise to pave about 350 kilometres of roads, which would cost $105 million.

Another item the Tories point to is an NDP question in the legislature from May 22. MLA Trevor Zinck asked why Nova Scotia was creating 1,000 daycare spaces over five years while Manitoba, which is similar in size, was creating 6,500.

The Tories equate that to a promise of 5,500 additional child care spaces at a cost of $143.5 million over four years.

 Tories issue Code Orange
Government launches attack on NDP, says party is too much of a financial risk

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1104916.html#comments

 

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 Jim Bickerton, a political scientist at St. Francis Xavier University in Antigonish, said he expects the Tories are using the website to rally the troops for the party’s annual meeting this weekend as well as for an anticipated spring election.

Mr. Bickerton said most people expect spin from political parties but exaggerating an opponent’s policy positions isn’t always a good strategy.

"If one goes completely overboard, then you lose credibility," he said. "I think that’s the danger that you court when you base your critique on pretty flimsy grounds."


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V. Jara
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What rubbish. Any chance this will actually backfire and just serve to highlight the fact that most Nova Scotians consider Darrell Dexter to be a decent, honest man? Are all theridings nominated now for the NS NDP?

KenS
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I'm not sure it will backfire.

But it is in character with the dumb moves of this government. They always seem to be following a script somebody wrote for someone else- or somewhere else.

Their latest whiz of a campaign director is [name escapes me] from the Conservative campaign, who was successful at tagging Dion with the image he never got away from.

Granted, they weren't stupid enough to try to tag Darell Dexter personally. And characturizing the NDP worked very well in 1999 [that was done by the Liberal government, clearing the way for the then distant third Tories to replace them]. But the NDP had only been 18 months in the limelight then [and froze like a deer in headlights].

But it still strikes me as people with no imagination, who get advice from outsiders who don't know what to offer than waht has worked for them in the past... with neither having the seperate or collective sense to do the obvious checking of whether this will work here.

I bet this has been tested out on live subjects. But this crew would screw up a focus group too.

Now that I think of it- there is plenty of time for it to dissapear and be forgotten if it isn't working, or even if it gets an adverse reaction. And if it catches...................   So maybe from their perspective, there is no harm trying


1springgarden
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This campaign makes the NS Cons look like the partisan, time and money-wasting fools that they are.  Of course it also raises the nagging doubt that many have about the NDP, that they won't be good fiscal stewards.  

Very soon Premier Rodney will have to cop to the undoubted structural deficit the province is in, caused by a mix of spending growth and falling tax revenues.  The question for both the Cons and the NDP will be, now what going forward?  The NDP needs to push the Cons into admitting and owning the present deficit and then push into an election with a sensible winning plan.

This whole scenario is a redux of those Michael Watkins posts (and accompanying research) about how the federal government was already in deficit during campaign '08 - strangely the federal Cons were never aggressively tagged for fiscal mismanagement (corporate tax give-aways, GST cuts, war spending, etc.).  Provincially, the NS NDP needs to counter this 'RiskyNDP' campaign by aggressively exposing the NS Cons as fiscal mis-managers and for presently hiding a deficit.

 

Edit: Corrected Michael Watkins name, might find the link later.


KenS
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You wont find the word "Agressive" in Darrell Dexters playbook.

And I'm not referring to style/presentation. That aspect of Darell as leader is a good thing.

I'm talking about the context you were speaking of: the presentation of options.


nussy
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The reason the Conservatives are scarier is because they can actually piss away money. The NDP can just talk about it.

1springgarden
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Interesting about not being aggressive in presentation of options.  I agree Darell's approach has built his rep as a calm, cool and steady hand.  You're saying that the NDP should continue to hang back... and what, let the Conservatives continue to hang themselves with the voters? 

I just think that the context of tight money balanced budgets for NS is about to change, that structural deficit is upon us due to reduced economic growth (contraction?) and resultant falling tax revenues (this is on top of wasteful Cons practices (mini-ATVs, ministerial vehicles, fat gigs for corporate buddies, etc.)).  When the word gets out that NS is in deficit, who will the voters then trust to run government, that will be the question and is what the Cons 'Risky NDP' campaign is about. 

The NDP's quick rebuttal 'thriftyNDP.ca' shows that the NDP strategists are up to taking on the Cons.  However, why let the Cons bring the campaign to the NDP why not get aggressive and take it to the Cons?  I guess i'll trust that the party strategists know what they're doing.

It's gonna be a helluva battle to flip the seat count the NDP's way, likely coming down to momentum and a couple of key swing-able ridings.  I can't wait to get at it.


Stockholm
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The makes me think of Wacky Bennett yelling that the "socialist hordes are at the gate" during the 1972 BC election campaign when he knew he was going down. The NDP took 38 seats and the Socreds 10 in that election.

Maybe the Tories in NS figured that since McCain trying to turn people against Obama by calling him a "socialist" worked so well - they should try the same recipe in NS!


KenS
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1springgarden wrote:

Interesting about not being aggressive in presentation of options.  I agree Darell's approach has built his rep as a calm, cool and steady hand.  You're saying that the NDP should continue to hang back... and what, let the Conservatives continue to hang themselves with the voters? 

Its not a question of what I think should happen. That has always been the one and only plan of the NSNDP. Its certainly not going to change now.

I'm among the dissidents who don't like this because we feel it means when we get to government we'll have no real mandate, and not much of a plan for what to do for that matter.

A few years back we were saying it also was not going to work to just sit back. It was always obvious we didn't like the approach anyway, but we sincerely expected the waiting startegy would bite us- like it did in 1999.

We've been proven wrong. With the benefit of hindsight: when your opponents are not bright lights, a not very good strategy is sufficient to beat the chronically bad strategy of your opponents. Nova Scotia politics is not paved with brilliance. 

1springgarden wrote:

I just think that the context of tight money balanced budgets for NS is about to change, that structural deficit is upon us due to reduced economic growth (contraction?) and resultant falling tax revenues (this is on top of wasteful Cons practices (mini-ATVs, ministerial vehicles, fat gigs for corporate buddies, etc.)).  When the word gets out that NS is in deficit, who will the voters then trust to run government, that will be the question and is what the Cons 'Risky NDP' campaign is about. 

The NDP's quick rebuttal 'thriftyNDP.ca' shows that the NDP strategists are up to taking on the Cons.  However, why let the Cons bring the campaign to the NDP why not get aggressive and take it to the Cons?  I guess i'll trust that the party strategists know what they're doing.

What I said above answers that question. When your opponents always present you with gifts, why take the risk of taking the initiative? The party strategists are good at the [chosen] task in front of them.

 

1springgarden wrote:

It's gonna be a helluva battle to flip the seat count the NDP's way, likely coming down to momentum and a couple of key swing-able ridings.  I can't wait to get at it.

I was late to come around to the apparent consensus among observors that the election is the NDP's to lose. So I don't really expect it to be that close- not that the seat count difference will be that much, and there will probably be a number of very close races.

But the flip side of a strategy of sitting quiet and letting the Tories slowly sef-destruct is that you have an electorate in your favour but without much conviction. Thats a situation primed for a quick turnaround/dissapointment that does not have to turn on a lot.

But to be fair, past experience across the country is that an electorate with strong convictions does not tend to produce a good outcome for the NDP.


1springgarden
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Thanks for the insights on the NSNDP hang-back approach, it's obvious enough but I too often wondered about it/find it frustrating. 

It will be interesting how the NDP positions when it comes out that the province is in deficit.  Will they run again along the lines of the incremental "A better deal for today's families" or will they run on a specific alternative plan to the Cons positioning?  I would guess the former, based on the hang-back approach. 

kens wrote:
1springgarden wrote:
It's gonna be a helluva battle to flip the seat count the NDP's way, likely coming down to momentum and a couple of key swing-able ridings.  I can't wait to get at it.

I was late to come around to the apparent consensus among observors that the election is the NDP's to lose. So I don't really expect it to be that close- not that the seat count difference will be that much, and there will probably be a number of very close races.

But the flip side of a strategy of sitting quiet and letting the Tories slowly sef-destruct is that you have an electorate in your favour but without much conviction. Thats a situation primed for a quick turnaround/dissapointment that does not have to turn on a lot.

Yeah, the NSNDP has never had a better shot with the Cons demonstrated incompetence and the Liberals in an advanced state of irrelevance/implosion. Again, I'm looking forward to this one.


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Was reluctant to get into this thread, as I feel the title is a negative spin in itself. However, I have been thinking about what the NDP should do to combat this "risky" perception being sold to the electorate, both in BC, NS and across Canada.

IMV, the NDP needs to take the fight to them with a public messaging like; "Can Canadians take this risk again?"

And start juxtapositioning the Great Depression with today, a meme started by Harper himself. And then carry forward to what brought about advances in Canadian society by way of social justice and better government policies, "socialism" with the voice and presence of the NDP.

Interestingly, they could start with the Canadian government website itself which says:

"The Great Depression was a turning point for Canada. Before 1930, the government intervened as little as possible, believing the free market would take care of the economy, and that churches and charities would take care of society. But in the 1930s a growing demand arose for the government to step in and create a social safety net with minimum hourly wages, a standard work week, and programs such as medicare and unemployment insurance. (See 1941—Unemployment Insurance Act.)

The Depression also led governments to be more present in the economy. It brought about the creation in 1934 of the Bank of Canada, a central bank to manage the money supply and bring stability to the country’s financial system. (See 1934—Bank of Canada.)"

http://www.canadianeconomy.gc.ca/English/economy/1929_39depression.html

But yet, the Liberals and Conservatives, using the governmental intervention policies started back then, to again tie Canadians to the "free market" model, that failed so miserably once before, under the same free market ideology.

It is they, who Canadians cannot trust, and this message could be done in short pictorials of the great depression, with voice overs stating what policies and parties brought the economy to that collapse, and how risky our future is again because of them and portray them as harming the future with more of the same.

Then have further short pictorials of the social safety net brought to us by the CCF/NDP and the workers and producers in Canada, with voice overs stating something about: "Canadians "know" who they can trust, those who have proven time and again that they care".

This could be followed by showing what what it would be like right now, en masse, if the Cons and Liberals had their way, without the NDP's voice in governments and this could be accompanied by pictorials of Mulroney, Martin/Chretien, and now Harper,  and their equals in the provincial realm, with more voice overs stating the instances of how they were trying to destroy the safety nets completely.

Each pictorial of them could be followed with images of; the growing need, again, for food banks/soup kitchens, homelessness, the plight of the FN on reserves and other such pertinent images like the stand offs, emergency rooms full of people waiting, over crowded classrooms with crumbling structures around the children, pollution and other pertinent pictorials. 

And then conclude with something like: "Can Canadians "risk" their future with those who have created these messes, over, and over, again".

Such an ad campaign can be made from a joint provincial and federal effort. The ad could be standardized with the mentioned pictorials and voice overs, and then the images of former and current provincial Con and Liberal leaders could be slotted in the places where the federal leaders would be in a federal campaign.

Seeing as how there are 2 provincial elections coming up and most likely a federal one, it would also be a plus as it would be a cost savings on advertising, for the entire NDP campaigns.

 


madmax
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It sounds like the NDP are in the running to replace the government. Sorry I am not from there, I am just reading the articles and posts here, and seeing that the PCs are attacking the threat.

What may be just terrible for the NSNDP is that they could win. I don't know what the economy is like their, but if it follows the global and national trend, and the NDP is in power running up deficits, and ticking off everyone "because they are new and inexperienced" and every paper, pundit and opposition party will fry them on the pan, even if the choices are ones they would make, the NDP could find itself in a BoB Rae situation in a few years time.

Obviously no party throws the election because of a downturn, its just easier for a party to establish itself as a government and return to government if their first term ever in office is not during a recession.

After the election, regardless of hardship, people will still look at the bottom line (AFTER all the goodworks are done) then scream bloody murder.

However wins this election might look worse to the public next term. 

 

 


remind
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Funny, you are making the assumption that the NDP cannot DO anything to help Canadians. In reality, socialist policies will help Canadians, whilst the neither of the other parties will.

Moreover, you are indicating, or at least trying to, that long term political gamesmanship should come before, trying to win an election and saving the social safety nets from being gutted, just in case we will win and get "Bob Raed".

The NDP have gotten "Bob Raed" because people keep talking about it as if it was an anomally. instead of just stating to people; "good thing we don't list how  many times the Liberals and Cons have destroyed the economy,  and ran us into deficits, as there were too many to even remember, but yet you stupidly carry on about Bob Rae and the NDP?"


V. Jara
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To beat the risky image the NDP has to do two things: 1) actually elect credible people with a background in economics and business, who are comfortable talking about those issues in a sensible and sensitive way with the public. 2) make the case that the NDP knows how to protect the most vulnerable (and thus by analogy those most likely to get whacked by a real recession). Number 2 + (too a lesser extent) prudent fiscal management is what really matters about handling the readjustments recessions bring about, unless you are some right wing nut whose view of recessions is to favour deep, sharp adjustments and then well...grow a heart.

ETA: After all the above if the NDP showed a little well-placed humility on the economy, unlike the Tories are likely too, then I think that could help too.


KenS
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The NSNDP has beat the risky image [this Tory campaign is either just to motivate the faithful or if it is intended for the whole public is too late]. And none of the most visible MLAs has a business or economics background.

V. Jara
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To answer my own question at the beginning of this thread, the NS NDP doesn't seem to have all of its candidates nominated yet.

The NDP's best chance of winning the next election may be if the Liberals rebound enough to snatch back some seats from the Tories.

These seem like pick-up possibilities (some more distant than others) for the NDP:

Halifax Clayton Park

King's South

Chester-St. Margaret's

Pictou Centre

Eastern Shore

Lunenberg

Lunenberg West

Bedford

KenS, any chance the NDP could make some inroads in Preston this election? I see no candidate has been nominated as of yet.

KenS
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Preston is a small constituency with a volatile voting history. Anything can happen there any election.

I've not heard anything about the current Liberal MLA being vulnerable. But that doesn't mean anything.


1springgarden
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"Some on right, left warn Atlantic governments too indebted for deficits"

Jan 22, 2009

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5h4x7Ushzsvof5kc7gpkg1c7VyLEQ

Article link, above, has NSNDP leader Darrell Dexter saying 'no' to running a deficit.  The article also mentions Cons Premier Rodney MacDonald saying 'maybe' to a deficit and there were similar rumblings coming out of the Tory AGM in Halifax this weekend.  Again, interesting positioning as the parties prepare to do electoral battle.

As KenS mentioned, the 'RiskyNDP' meme went nowhere since Thursday, the NDP met it head on and one commenter to a Chronicle Herald news article yesterday said the NDP was 'tipped' in advance to the campaign and was well prepared with their own Thursday press conference, talking points and then 'ThriftyNDP' website.


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The negative campaign has received a fair bit of coverage in the Herald yesterday and today, including an editorial:

"RODNEY MacDONALD should leave the caricatures to Bruce MacKinnon.

At least when Bruce puts words in people’s mouths or exaggerates their features and foibles, he does not expect to be taken literally. But the premier of this province seems to think he can draw a cartoonish picture of the NDP and pass it off as serious analysis. Please.

On the eve of their annual meeting this weekend, the provincial Tories launched an NDP-bashing campaign that looks and sounds far more sophisticated than it is. They produced a 65-page glossy booklet, a website and a backdrop for deputy premier Angus MacIsaac to send the message that the official Opposition is "a risk you can’t afford."

Actually, what Nova Scotians can’t afford is a government that wastes its time and our money on partisanship when the province cries out for leadership...

Nova Scotians will recognize this for what it is: propaganda. How else can you describe a document that blurs the line between fact and fantasy? In some cases, the authors distort questions posed by critics in the House and twist issues raised in press releases into NDP commitments that will cost the treasury millions.

So what does any of this prove? That we have a government which is ahead of the electoral curve and behind the economic curve. It’s quick to produce campaign literature, but can’t come up with a budget when we need one."

and a response from Darrell Dexter titled 'Attack the Recession, Not the NDP':
"As the economic crisis deepened last fall, Rodney MacDonald failed to address it during the sitting of the Legislature. He later refused to appear before the Public Accounts committee to explain the province’s finances. He has been unclear about the amount of equalization in the federal budget. And instead of delivering a budget at the usual time, in March or April, MacDonald is floating the idea of a later budget, perhaps in June.

If ever there was a year for a timely provincial budget, this is the year. Hospitals and schools need to know what they will be facing so they can plan accordingly. Nova Scotians are looking for a clear direction from the provincial government regarding an economic stimulus package, and priorities for spending federal infrastructure dollars. And major industries want to know how the province plans to steer a course through the recession."

plus a decent letter to the editor:

"Sometimes, partisan politics makes people behave rashly. Sometimes, it makes them unreasonable. I’m concerned that the Rodney MacDonald government’s partisanship may have made it incompetent.

Spending an unknown amount of taxpayer dollars, they launched a pre-election campaign "stunt budget" full of wild predictions on what an NDP government will do, instead of just waiting for the NDP to release their real, costed plan during an election campaign.

Darrell Dexter seems like a pretty reasonable, logical guy. His budget will probably turn out to be a fair and genuine plan to improve our hospitals, schools, environment, roads and economy – just like the last NDP election platform.

This Conservative stunt falls into the rash and unreasonable category. But what makes it a sign of incompetence is that Rodney’s team has admittedly worked on this fake budget for six months, but will have to delay their own budget this year because they need to do more research. It would be kind of funny, if it weren’t just so sad."

And a cute political cartoon by Bruce MacKinnon (see it today on the Herald Homepage)


KenS
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Purely for laughs, front page headline in todays Herald:

Premier: Budget is our priority
MacDonald insists he’s not thinking about next election
 

 Premier Rodney MacDonald is defending his party’s new attack on the NDP, but he doesn’t share the widely held view that it’s a prelude to a spring election.

Mr. MacDonald said Sunday he still isn’t thinking about the next election, even though the Progressive Conservatives’ annual general meeting in Halifax included several election strategy sessions.

"I haven’t really given (it) any thought, to be quite honest with you,"

... !!!!

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1105486.html


Stockholm
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So, what is the conventional wisdom on when the Nova Scotia election will be? The MacDonald minority government is now three years old. I assume there will be budgets and confidence votes coming up. What's gonna happen? Will the opposition vote down the government this spring or will the Liberals follow their federal cousins and prop up the Tories or will the Tories call an election?

KenS
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I think this time around all three parties are geared for an election.

Presumably it will be a Budget expected to fail. Remember- the governments script says they are only concerned with a Budget. Pretty lame. But thats what the script says.


KenS
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BIG caveat on what I just said.

Yes, all three are geared for an election, BUT....

 

The current Leader of the Liberals has always been disinclined to have them vote in support of a Budget again.

But the Libs are just about invisible. Because they are only in the running in a limited number of areas, no public domain poll is going to give an accurate prediction of their chances. Not to mention that the questions in those polls have for a few elections now consistently shown a far higher preference for the Libs than they get at the ballot box. The brand gets them support to a pollster, that evaporates at the voting booth.

But if the Libs internal polls tell them they are primed for losing some seats, whether MacNeill wants to plow ahead regardless will be a moot question.

The way the government is framing things a Budget the Liberals support would be just peachy. And ignoring the Liberals now has the side benefit of adding to the possibility they will be [or are already] desperate.

Translation: I guess its still "we shall see".

I'm guessing that if the fix is in the Liberals won't come out and make it obvious until as late as possible. And the government will have enough of its own reasons to play along.

So once again, who knows?


Stockholm
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When is the budget supposed to be brought down?

"Not to mention that the questions in those polls have for a few elections now consistently shown a far higher preference for the Libs than they get at the ballot box. The brand gets them support to a pollster, that evaporates at the voting booth."

Sounds just like the so-called green party!


KenS
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The difference is that with the NS Liberals the brand gets them poll support close to the other 2 parties.

The truly invisible NS Green Party- despite big time public funding- does not even register on the radar.


V. Jara
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A prediction:

If the budget is being delayed this long then it must mean that *surprise* the NS government is sitting on a deficit. The NS Tories will not want to go in to an election with a deficit, so the poison pill budget that they will deliver is a fudge-it budget that will require willful ignorance on the part of Liberals and NDP to vote for it.  That budget will claim to be balanced and when the NDP cries foul, the NS Tories will count on the NDP's weak economic cred to slip that lie past the public. Part of the delaying tactic was to try and sweeten the equalization deal so that the art of making the budget look balance would be more reasonable. The NDP needs to be ready with a barrage of analysis projecting the short fall in revenue. Depending on how opaque the government is about things, the NDP may want to hire the Canadian equivalent of a private economics firm like Econometrica Inc to thoroughly debunk the budgetary figures when they are released. The Liberals will check the wind and make their decision- as KenS suggests- at the last moment, partly because they need the media attention that would generate.


Stockholm
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"If the budget is being delayed this long then it must mean that *surprise* the NS government is sitting on a deficit. The NS Tories will not want to go in to an election with a deficit, so the poison pill budget that they will deliver is a fudge-it budget"

If that were true why wouldn't Gordon Campbell do the same with his deficit budget in BC??

I'm not sure that the NS budget is being delayed. I seem to remember NS budgets often coming down in late Spring.


KenS
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It isn't delayed. March is normal, and I believe its usually April before a vote.

I havn'e been paying enough attention to know for sure if the Legislative schedule has not been announced. But if it has not, it is not late for that, and even if it was late- that is also not unusual... and happens for all sorts of tactical reasons other than delaying bad news.

Even when Budgets are nothing more than transparent election platforms [like 2003], its at least May and more likely June before Eday here.


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DohFoot in mouth! I guess we'll have to see if the budget is delayed. Of course budgets are tabled in March, sometimes late March, it just doesn't seem like the NS Tories really have their eye on the economic ball right now. Given that the equalization back-rooming is pretty much sealed and signed in blood, the Tories probably don't have a major incentive to post the budget late because the longer they wait the worse things are going to look for government revenue and on the economy. For example, there is usually a spring uptick in unemployment as young people start looking for summer jobs and the private sector cutbacks and layoffs show no current signs of slowing down. The NDP can be watching the regional unemployment numbers as they plan their campaign tour- could make for some very charged rallies if people are hurting, which we all know they are. The swing ridings of King's South and Antigonish host universities that may see students having trouble finding summer and post-grad employment for example.

As for Campbell and BC, Nova Scotia is a have not province, with worse infrastructure than BC, and is not used to deficits- least of all from the Conservatives. I would like to think NS voters may be more fiscally risk averse than those in Lotus Land- particularly with Danny Millions' nearby success. I think attacking the Tories on running a deficit when Newfoundland is doing okay is something that could stick. Although Nova Scotians may be smart enough to realise that their offshore resource revenues are much more modest on a per capita basis. In the end, I probably don't know what I'm talking about but I'm just going on the assumption that the NS Tories will want to table a budget that paints the rosiest picture possible before heading into an election. That being said, my bets are Nova Scotia IS going to deficit- whether the Tories like it or not.


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remind wrote:
The NDP have gotten "Bob Raed" because people keep talking about it as if it was an anomally. instead of just stating to people; "good thing we don't list how  many times the Liberals and Cons have destroyed the economy,  and ran us into deficits, as there were too many to even remember, but yet you stupidly carry on about Bob Rae and the NDP?"
  You make good points. I point out that there are differences between the SASK, MAN, and even BC NDP in that if they make errors, they can rebound after an election cycle. Bob Rae, not the ONDP or its policies, destroyed a party to near the point of no return. It is amazing that there is still a spark of life. But they came in, during a recession, and good or bad, made some whoppers of mistakes, and betrayed those who voted for them on behalf of big business. Meanwhile, if Public Servants could have recognised the difference between a Rae Day and a Harris Handshake, perhaps they wouldn't have engaged in such a negative campaign against the NDP with its members. The ONDP offended those who voted for them, and held NO COURAGE defending working class people. It was a pathetic display. Yet for Labour a bone was tossed to them in Bill 40. But Labours future apathy towards the ONDP has lead to their near disappearance a short 10 to 12 years later and Public Sector Unions sitting nice and cozy with the Ontario Liberals.

NS NDP has a chance to do it right, because unlike BC, Man, Sask, they could end up more like the ONDP after 1 term in office.  Yes, many NDP policies are better for people and yes, the economy.  So how did Bob Rae get so sidetracked and become a Liberal NDP leader amongst big business.  Allowing the underfunding of pensions has tainted the ONDP to this day. Especially at this time, when US companies were buying companies like crazy and bankrupting them. 

I want to see the NS NDP succeed where the ONDP didn't. The recession looks deeper and harsher then the one of 1990. The ONDP turned their back on the people, and if you go door to door, in ridings that once upon a time were NDP strongholds, they will tell you..... never again or the last time I voted NDP was for Bob Rae. Everything prior to that is forgotten. An entire history of good work.

Why would I want to see the NS NDP make the same mistakes of the Bob Rae Government?  Two party systems are a bore.... I like the fact that the NS NDP are on the verge of winning.  1 term is not enough, and the people must be the most important aspect of an NDP government. Bob Rae and his silver spoon forgot this, and became a Liberal fronting an NDP government. He never defended his actions, and infact he ran away, afraid to face the people.


Stockholm
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The latest poll of 800 people just came out in Nova Scotia and the NDP is still up at 36% compared to 30% for each of the Liberals and Tories.

http://www.cra.ca/en/home/Newsroom/NDPInPositionToWinPossibleSpringElect...


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