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With Avigdor Lieberman as defence minister.
But on the Israeli side of this tidy dichotomy the extremists control the fourth most powerful military in the world, are given three billion dollars of weapons per year by their sugar daddy/uncle, and have nukes.
Maybe you should try breathing into a paper bag before posting.
The Zionist massacres and terrorist attacks against the indigenous population drove over 700,00 Palestinians out of their homes and into exile, allowing the Zionists to steal their land. In other words, the Zionist state is founded on murder and theft. This is hardly an outrageous assertion.
So if you can blame every ill in the Middle East on "Zionism", what do you blame the situation in Sri Lanka on? "Sinhalism"? And is the situation in Tibet all about evil "Sinoism"? and i guess we can blame the situation in Chechnya or in Kosovo on "pan-slavism"?
You have two people fighting over a piece of land. "Zionism" is irrelevant to the situation now and the use of the word "Zionism" in such a pejorative way verges on being anti-semitic. If you don't like the policies of the Israeli government - that's all you have to say. There are about 6 million Israelis, the vast majority of whom are Jewish and most of whom aren't particularly religious and probably don't know Theodore Herzl from a six foot hole in the ground. They are just people born in Israel who speak Hebrew and to them its their country and they their reaction to having rockets fired at them is about the same as how we in Canada would react if rockets from Kanesetake were constantly falling downtown Montreal.
For all the lofty language - that's really all it is - two ethnic groups each with their own version of history - fighting over a piece of land. Let's not pretend there is anythingmore to it than that.
"Every ill in the Middle East"? Get a grip there, Stock. I blame the creation and maintenance of the state of Israel on Zionism, nothing else.
This eyelash-batting about a few ineffectual rockets becomes sillier every time it is invoked. During the six-month truce between Hamas and the Israelis there were hardly any rockets fired, and none of them caused any more damage than sporadic anxiety. The IOF was still killing Arab women and children during that time mind you, but that doesn't count, does it?
Few of whom were refusinks when called to do their obligatory IOF service, and most of whom think the Gaza Ghetto massacre was justified.
People have been killed and injured by these Hamas rockets. If really has such bad aim and if they really aren't capable of doing any damage - why launch any at all? It is a certainty that just as sure as night follows day - rockets launched from Gaza will absolutely definitely lead to Israeli retaliation. The only conclusion is that Hamas WANTS Israel to attack Gaza because that's the only thing that their rocket attacks can possibly lead to.
If there is some other strategy behind launching the rockets, i'd like to know what it is - because it sure isn't advancing the cause of the Palestinians...or maybe it is - someone explain to me what Hamas hopes to accomplish to firing rockets at Israeli cities.
"Few of whom were refusinks when called to do their obligatory IOF service, and most of whom think the Gaza Ghetto massacre was justified."
...all of which is counterbalanced by all the Hamas militia members who think that suicide bombings on civilian targets in Israel is justified.
I'm glad i don't leave in a part of the world where so many people on both sides has been so dehumanized.
That's all there is to it? The Israeli hate, open racism, embrace of fascism, ethnic cleansing, Jewish only roads and pass laws, theft of land, destruction of agriculture, the daily brutality and humiliations, the Gaza Ghetto, all of this is a mere spat to you? What a knucle-dragging jerk you are.
I wouldn't call it a "spat". Ethnic groups fighting over a piece of land can lead to a loss of millions of lives on both sides. The bloodiest war in history was WW1 - and guess what - it wasn't about Zionism!! it was about a power struggle between countries. In the last two years over 2 million people have died in a war in the Congo - i don't think either side was fighting in the name of any particular "ism" - they are just struggling for power.
I realize some people would rather try to "blame the Jews" for the whole conflict (just like some people in Germany think the Jews are responsible for WW2 and WW1) - than acknowledge that its just people fighting for land.
I'm sorry if by disputing your claim that "Zionism" is some inherently evil ideology I've ruined your fun.I'm sure that if someone tried to link suicide bombings in Israel to "evil Islamism" you be shrieking "racist" at them.
Then again, maybe the Greeks and the Turks aren't just fighting over Cyprus - its all about "evil genocidal Hellenism".
Way to prove the point Stocky.
What if people were to go around saying: "oh but you don't understand, WWII was just about people fighting over some territory. What else is new? Nazism, Fascism, Socialism, its all just another 'ism'. I know it spoil your fun to dispute your claim that Nazism is an inherently evil ideology... and I realize some people would rather try to "blame the Germans" for the whole conflict..."
LOL.
Fucking fascists are all the same. Just change the names around. They can't even see that they are saying exactly the same thing because they are so stuck in their personal ethnic prejuduce. It's a sickness, really.
No Stocky, I blame the German Facists for WWII, not the German people. Just like I blame the Israeli fascist for the oppression of Palestinians. And guess what? They call themselves Zionists.
There are Israeli socialists who also call themselves Zionists. The use of Zionist as a pejorative a la liberal in the United States is wearying.
Was the calling of Stockholm "an apologist for genocide" fair game on Babble?
Yes, it was. I don't know what else you would call a person who continually spoke of those nasty rockets being fired upon the people of Israel without showing even remote concern for the people of Palestine, except to blame them for their own genocide.
All of this in the points above and here you are Caissa, defending Stockholm, who apparently needs no defending.
The population of both gaza and the West Bank have continuously risen. If this is "genocide" then it's the most incompetent genocide ever.
Yeah, in WWII also. It was tragic, the senseless killings of Allies and Nazis. And Afghanistan, imagine, the villagers from Kandahar and the villagers from Nova Scotia. Just so senseless, all that loss of life. And the thousands of Palestinians and the
dozensones of Israelis. What's it all about? Life is just so fucked. People dying. I wish it would all just stop. They shouldn't die, they should live.In Kabul? Sri Lanka? You're obviously not talking about Israel.
Excellent point. And you've helped me along to some self-awakening. Since October 2001, I have hoped and preached for the Afghan people to militarily defeat their invaders - which will happen one day very soon. But your eloquent remarks have made me realize that in so hoping, I have actually become an apologist for genocide as long as it's directed against U.S., Canadian, and NATO invading troops!!!
Thank you for clarifying the profound difference between victim and murderer. Imagine, all these years, I had it all backwards!
Labor comes in fourth in the Israel election, behind three more explicitly RW parties. Now, could someone explain to me how Israel Jews are somehow NOT to be held responsible for their government's actions?
Well, in terms of willingness to reach a deal with the Palestinians, there's little difference between Kadima and Labor.
Funny you should raise this issue now. Earlier today I read something that covers much the same ground:
I don't know if there is any likelihood of this happening, but it would be possible to keep both Lieberman and Netanyahu, who are electoral allies, out of government.
Shas, UTJ plan obstructive bloc against Lieberman
Such a government would have:
Kadima 28
Labour 13
Shas 11
UTJ 5
National Union 4
Jewish Home 3
Meretz 3
Total 67
Of course, it would be much better to include Hadash and the United Arab List instead of National Union and Jewish Home. Perhaps this is not the year for that.
Shas had been in the previous Kadima-led coalition, but would not reach a deal with Livni, causing the election. A bad gamble on their part: they dropped from 12 seats to 11. To stop Lieberman, can they admit they were wrong?
National Union and Meretz together? Don't think so.
It looks like it will be one of two coalitions, both headed by Netanyahoo. Either Likud will head a far right coalition of 65 seats, or Kadima will join Likud with Lieberman's party and one or more of the religious parties. Labor and Meretz are headed into opposition either way.
What's really interesting are the trends that were revealed in the election.
Just like America got divided into blue states and red states, Tel Aviv and jerusalem are becoming polar opposites. Almost half of jerusalem residents boted for either UTJ (the Ashkenazi ultra-orthodox party) or Shas (the Sephardi) ultra-orthodox party and Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu both did well with Kadima gettting smoked and Labout getting even more smoked. The story is jsut the opposite in tel Aviv which is alrgely secular. But given that the orthodox population is rising many many times faster than the secular population, we can only guess at how things will go 20 years from now...