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I thought I posted this earlier upthread, but I don't see it, so.... I got my hydro bill today for the past two months, just $205. I'm on an equalized payment plan, and will get six of these bills in a year, about $1230 for the year, and I use electric heating extensively (as well as a wood furnace), not to mention a pile of electric power tools and an electric wood splitter. I'm not complaining about my hydro bills - hell, hydro is a bargain out here. Food, on the other hand, is ridiculously expensive, especially considering that you have to use up fresh produce quickly or it'll go bad fast. Our fruits and veggies come from the supermarkets in Sept-Iles after the supermarkets fill their produce bins.
. Our fruits and veggies come from the supermarkets in Sept-Iles after the supermarkets fill their produce bins.
A suggestion for cheap produce:
Buy up loads of peppers, carrots, turnips, onions and celery on sale. Use what you can, and just before they turn, chop up the rest a freeze them in lunch baggies. No need to parboil.
They're still good for soups, stews, mexican dishes and curries.
And learn to make bread, including flatbreads. It's cheaper, and it tastes better with EVERYTHING!
Did this many many years ago now, only sadly up here in this small town, there is no venue to buy the bulk products cheaply, they are priced accordingly as "import" foods, after we asked that they be brought in. But I do buy bulk when in the city, though sadly the "Gateway to India" store in Nanaimo has now closed, where we used to stock up went we went to the Island.
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Burned a few in the past because they were lying around. And have noticed some funky places that burn a lot.
But I got fed up with the oil prices. Started burning more wood. But ended up with little wood for this year, because of the nature of the number one employer around me the woods industry. [Long story. But no, its not because its all being sold to the city. There isn't any being cut. High prices. Go figure.]
Anyway, I got systematic how I do it. The softwood pallets I doubt they are worth it. But the hardwood ones, its actually VERY cost effective. All costs and time included. And I only have a station wagon and live 45 minutes to hour plus from where I get the pallets.
Somebodt want to remind me some time and I'll post a how-to thread. And this would be easiest the bigger the city you live in or around.
What kind of hard wood are they Ken? And why aren't they beinf re-used as pallets?
And yes, I noticed last night the only commodity that went up on the sytock market yesterday, was wood, which is a good thing perhaps for the timber industry here.
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Only a percentage of pallets get re-used. And the smaller the volume of the business [as you get further away from big box] the fewer pallets are re-used.
And the hardwood ones are less likley to be re-used. They are tropical hardwoods for products shipped primarily from Asia. Or low grade oak and other woods for the unbelievable volume of product out of the US.
That's right. I said pallets mad out of rain forest cutting. [The lower grades from the milling.] What a tragedy. But if there aren't burnt, they go to the dump. And burning them replaces trees that would be cut.
They are high quality fuel. and already partly processed. They'd be FAR higher quality compared to what else you have available for firewood on the West Coast.
Update. I restarted my savings account and have been plopping cash in there as I go. Trying to really build up the interest and have cash salted away for rainy days. :)
And learn to make bread, including flatbreads. It's cheaper, and it tastes better with EVERYTHING!
Did this many many years ago now, only sadly up here in this small town, there is no venue to buy the bulk products cheaply, they are priced accordingly as "import" foods, after we asked that they be brought in. But I do buy bulk when in the city, though sadly the "Gateway to India" store in Nanaimo has now closed, where we used to stock up went we went to the Island.
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Hmmm. So you can't even get the spices? Or dried lentils, split peas and such?
Only a percentage of pallets get re-used. And the smaller the volume of the business [as you get further away from big box] the fewer pallets are re-used.
And the hardwood ones are less likley to be re-used. They are tropical hardwoods for products shipped primarily from Asia. Or low grade oak and other woods for the unbelievable volume of product out of the US.
That's right. I said pallets mad out of rain forest cutting. [The lower grades from the milling.] What a tragedy. But if there aren't burnt, they go to the dump. And burning them replaces trees that would be cut.
They are high quality fuel. and already partly processed. They'd be FAR higher quality compared to what else you have available for firewood on the West Coast.
A suggestion.
My dad used to get all our wood free by letting everyone in town know if they cut down a tree--he'd haul away the wood for FREE thus saving them disposal costs.
For a few bucks, he'd even help you cut it down.
All you need is a chain saw, which I suspect you own already.
TV Parkdale, you can get small packets of everything here, no bulk, and they are expensive. We get many from the Superstore when we go to the city. We bought spices like premade curries, cumin, saffron, cardamom, coriander, turmeric etc, in bulk before Nanaimo's East Indian bulk store closed, so we still have some remaining. I buy ginger fresh and dry it myself, and we grow fennel, anise, mint, as well as other herbs we dry. tried growing ginger in posts but could not get it to grow beyond the beautiful bamboo looking leaf and stocks it has. I also make my own mango chutney, as well as drying mango's to make a mango powder, and have been trying to make a date one, but with no success, with a flavour that I like.
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"watching the tide roll away"
TV Parkdale, you can get small packets of everything here, no bulk, and they are expensive. We get many from the Superstore when we go to the city. We bought spices like premade curries, cumin, saffron, cardamom, coriander, turmeric etc, in bulk before Nanaimo's East Indian bulk store closed, so we still have some remaining. I buy ginger fresh and dry it myself, and we grow fennel, anise, mint, as well as other herbs we dry. tried growing ginger in posts but could not get it to grow beyond the beautiful bamboo looking leaf and stocks it has. I also make my own mango chutney, as well as drying mango's to make a mango powder, and have been trying to make a date one, but with no success, with a flavour that I like.
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ZOMG! I would DIE! I would positively starve to death! I can never live there
You mean no dried split peas and chickpeas in bags or anything?
What about yoghurt and spices for tandoori chickens?
I can give a ya a cheap trick for quickie dinner tho.
If you can get habitant pea soup in a can...
Do your usual ghee[or butter] with masala curry and onions browned only chuck in the can of soup to make daal.
You can get whole wheat flour for chapatti, right?
<<<<swooning>>>>>
Life is not worth LIVING without daal, tandoori chickens and chapatti
[was that drama queen enuff for ya? *lol--i'm trying to be sympathetic. if ya get stuck and it's legal, i can send you spice packets from here. hell sounds like you should start a back door business!]
Nope, no dried chickpeas, split peas come in small bag only enough for 2 meals and I buy bulk organic whole wheat flour at health food store. Ran out of wheat in whole grain form to mill, have to go back to SK sometime soon and get a few more bags.
Make our own yoghurt at a fraction of the cost and it is way better than any type of store bought. Also make my own tandoori spice out of black peppercorns, coriander, cumin, whole cloves, tumeric, paprika, cayenne, cinnamon and nutmeg.
Thanks for the recipe. But doesn't habitant pea soup have pork in it?
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Nope, no dried chickpeas, split peas come in small bag only enough for 2 meals and I buy bulk organic whole wheat flour at health food store. Ran out of wheat in whole grain form to mill, have to go back to SK sometime soon and get a few more bags.]
Oh man, I buy split peas once a year in 10lb bags. Same with channa [chickpeas].
Can you even get basmati rice? {elephant brand , oh swoon, elephant brand}
Make our own yoghurt at a fraction of the cost and it is way better than any type of store bought. Also make my own tandoori spice out of black peppercorns, coriander, cumin, whole cloves, tumeric, paprika, cayenne, cinnamon and nutmeg.
I'm relieved. Life without T-chickens is not worth living!
Thanks for the recipe. But doesn't habitant pea soup have pork in it?
Only if you buy the one with ham. If I'm not mistaken, the plain is vegetarian.
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I got a buddy who wants to come this week for dinner. He's begging for East Indian
How do you make yogurt?
It's cheap here for good yoghurt but the small ones are too small and the quart is too much for one person. Making a pint would be perfect.
I got a great easy bread recipe if you're interested, too.
Yoghurt last for a long time when homemade. Though we go through a lot of it.
You bring the milk, whatever type your using, to a boil, and I mean just to a boil, very slowly. Then you cool it quickly, by submerging cooking pot and milk in cold water, (do not get water into milk) to body temp, stirring the milk cools it more quickly, so when you stick your little (clean) finger into it, you cannot feel either hot, nor cold. If it feels cool you have to reheat to a boil.
Meanwhile you put, either 2 tablespoons of natural yoghurt, or a capsule of acidophelus (opened and poured in) a ltre jar, pour the warm body temp milk in, give it a stir put the lid on and you then keep it warm (we put ours into a cooler lined and covered with towels, but if making less, just wrapping the container in a towel and leaving on counter is fine) for 6 hours and then refigerate. Once you have made your own you will never go back to store bought. Plastic containers make yoghurt taste bad actually. We make about 8 ltres at a time, but you can make any amount you want.
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"watching the tide roll away"
Yoghurt last for a long time when homemade. Though we go through a lot of it.
You bring the milk, whatever type your using, to a boil, and I mean just to a boil, very slowly. Then you cool it quickly, by submerging cooking pot and milk in cold water, (do not get water into milk) to body temp, stirring the milk cools it more quickly, so when you stick your little (clean) finger into it, you cannot feel either hot, nor cold. If it feels cool you have to reheat to a boil.
Meanwhile you put, either 2 tablespoons of natural yoghurt, or a capsule of acidophelus (opened and poured in) a ltre jar, pour the warm body temp milk in, give it a stir put the lid on and you then keep it warm (we put ours into a cooler lined and covered with towels, but if making less, just wrapping the container in a towel and leaving on counter is fine) for 6 hours and then refigerate. Once you have made your own you will never go back to store bought. Plastic containers make yoghurt taste bad actually. We make about 8 ltres at a time, but you can make any amount you want.
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Okay so I should make it in mason jars. I have lots of old ones and that would be just the right amount for a few chicken legs and dipping
Could I get the capsules of acidophelus at the drug store in the health vitamins section? And do I have to have that to make it yogurt?
No you do not need the acidophelus to make yoghurt, you can use 2tble spoons of plain/natural yoghurt per ltre jar. A good kind of yoghurt though, like Olympic. You get the caps at a health food store in the refrig section, as that is where you have to keep them, or the bacteria dies. They are about 15 bucks per/90 caps. So I would go with good yoghurt for a starter unless you plan on taking them as a suppliment. You can also get the st8 powder acidophelus, no caps and you need about 1/2 tsp with that type.
Mason jars are excellent for making yoghurt, thats all we use. Just save enough from made batch of yoghurt to start a new batch, when needed.
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No you do not need the acidophelus to make yoghurt, you can use 2tble spoons of plain/natural yoghurt per ltre jar. A good kind of yoghurt though, like Olympic. You get the caps at a health food store in the refrig section, as that is where you have to keep them, or the bacteria dies. They are about 15 bucks per/90 caps. So I would go with good yoghurt for a starter unless you plan on taking them as a suppliment. You can also get the st8 powder acidophelus, no caps and you need about 1/2 tsp with that type.
Mason jars are excellent for making yoghurt, thats all we use. Just save enough from made batch of yoghurt to start a new batch, when needed.
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Not to be difficult but if I *had* a quart of yoghurt why would I MAKE a jar of yogurt? I mean, how much yogurt can I eat?
I assume if I freeze the "starter" yogurt the little yogurt-making machines in it will freeze to death and it will be useless?
Oh wait--so I could get one TINY lunch portion yogurt for 50c and use THAT to start the mason jar with milk? [and all the rest of the instructions]
OH WAIT OH WAIT OH WAIT!!!!!! <<<jumping up and down with excitement....
So....
It's like sourdough?
If I keep a tiny jar of the NEW yogurt I can make MORE yogurt for ever and ever and evermore as long as the milk shall flow?????
Yes, a tiny yoghurt would work just fine, plain of course.
You do not eat yoghurt all the time? You should be having it daily, at least 4oz. You can mix anything you want into it. It is all I use for veggie dips etc.
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Yes, a tiny yoghurt would work just fine, plain of course.
You do not eat yoghurt all the time? You should be having it daily, at least 4oz. You can mix anything you want into it. It is all I use for veggie dips etc.
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No, I don't eat it every day. But I like it.
When I buy a quart though, half of it often gets wasted before I eat it. That's why I like the mason jar size idea. When I am making my bread 2x a week it would be easy to do at the same time.
I like Lassi too.
And I make fruit sorbets in the summer. They're 'way better than ice cream.
My cats have always been impeccable dishlickers. In fact, I usually have to wash the dish right away or I might end up putting away the one they licked, thinking it was clean.
It all depends on the food, though - they tend to be pickier than dogs, I think.
Pea soup, yogurt, cereal w/milk, ice cream, humus (non-spicy), corn, lentils, fish, mashed potatoes, any trace of chicken etc... guaranteed spotless finish.
In fact, if it's something my cats won't eat I know I shouldn't be eating it either, probably.
Ultimately, it's a bloody sin to keep on populating the planet this far north, where heating of any sort is an unconscionable burden on the whole world.
Ideally, space-sharing works best. I've grown to love living in a house, which is considered small by most standards, but in my little town it's standard for single people and couples with no kids to stay in their house, where 4 or even 5 people should be able to live. Having said that, I recognize that I should be in a townhouse or an apartment, which are the most effective in terms of cost and pollution and consumption of resources.
Even more ideally, there should be a system of grants or tax breaks to enable house-dwellers who are not bound by work to stay in the frozen north, to shut their house and migrate south for the 2 or 3 worst months. Physicians will tell you that older people who are in relatively good health would benefit from such a plan, since they are at the highest risk for complications from broken limbs and hips, and also for cardiovascular conditions aggravated by the stress of relentless cold. Someone should sell the idea to their provincial gov't, because of the savings such a subsidy would represent.
Families could be encouraged to subsidize such trips, too, as part of a wellness and prevention program. For the cost of heating and electricity for a house a person could pay for a shared efficiency in Arizona or Florida. There could be charter buses and perhaps even special rates on wholesale rentals. Clothing's a tad cheaper, too.
Marketing from an adolescent perspective, kids are encouraged to submit money saving ideas, and there's a recession meter panic widget.
All joking aside, that's actually where I learned about Freecycle.org and that site looks amazing - hopefully that's the new economy our children will inherit, a place where good karma is currency.
A suggestion for cheap produce:
Buy up loads of peppers, carrots, turnips, onions and celery on sale. Use what you can, and just before they turn, chop up the rest a freeze them in lunch baggies. No need to parboil.
They're still good for soups, stews, mexican dishes and curries.
Saves money and when you're in a rush, time.
Did this many many years ago now, only sadly up here in this small town, there is no venue to buy the bulk products cheaply, they are priced accordingly as "import" foods, after we asked that they be brought in. But I do buy bulk when in the city, though sadly the "Gateway to India" store in Nanaimo has now closed, where we used to stock up went we went to the Island.
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I'm burning hardwood pallets.
Burned a few in the past because they were lying around. And have noticed some funky places that burn a lot.
But I got fed up with the oil prices. Started burning more wood. But ended up with little wood for this year, because of the nature of the number one employer around me the woods industry. [Long story. But no, its not because its all being sold to the city. There isn't any being cut. High prices. Go figure.]
Anyway, I got systematic how I do it. The softwood pallets I doubt they are worth it. But the hardwood ones, its actually VERY cost effective. All costs and time included. And I only have a station wagon and live 45 minutes to hour plus from where I get the pallets.
Somebodt want to remind me some time and I'll post a how-to thread. And this would be easiest the bigger the city you live in or around.
What kind of hard wood are they Ken? And why aren't they beinf re-used as pallets?
And yes, I noticed last night the only commodity that went up on the sytock market yesterday, was wood, which is a good thing perhaps for the timber industry here.
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Short answer.
Only a percentage of pallets get re-used. And the smaller the volume of the business [as you get further away from big box] the fewer pallets are re-used.
And the hardwood ones are less likley to be re-used. They are tropical hardwoods for products shipped primarily from Asia. Or low grade oak and other woods for the unbelievable volume of product out of the US.
That's right. I said pallets mad out of rain forest cutting. [The lower grades from the milling.] What a tragedy. But if there aren't burnt, they go to the dump. And burning them replaces trees that would be cut.
They are high quality fuel. and already partly processed. They'd be FAR higher quality compared to what else you have available for firewood on the West Coast.
Hmmm. So you can't even get the spices? Or dried lentils, split peas and such?
I wonder if it's legal to ship the spice packets?
That SO bites
A suggestion.
My dad used to get all our wood free by letting everyone in town know if they cut down a tree--he'd haul away the wood for FREE thus saving them disposal costs.
For a few bucks, he'd even help you cut it down.
All you need is a chain saw, which I suspect you own already.
TV Parkdale, you can get small packets of everything here, no bulk, and they are expensive. We get many from the Superstore when we go to the city. We bought spices like premade curries, cumin, saffron, cardamom, coriander, turmeric etc, in bulk before Nanaimo's East Indian bulk store closed, so we still have some remaining. I buy ginger fresh and dry it myself, and we grow fennel, anise, mint, as well as other herbs we dry. tried growing ginger in posts but could not get it to grow beyond the beautiful bamboo looking leaf and stocks it has. I also make my own mango chutney, as well as drying mango's to make a mango powder, and have been trying to make a date one, but with no success, with a flavour that I like.
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ZOMG! I would DIE!
I would positively starve to death! I can never live there
You mean no dried split peas and chickpeas in bags or anything?
What about yoghurt and spices for tandoori chickens?
I can give a ya a cheap trick for quickie dinner tho.
If you can get habitant pea soup in a can...
Do your usual ghee[or butter] with masala curry and onions browned only chuck in the can of soup to make daal.
You can get whole wheat flour for chapatti, right?
<<<<swooning>>>>>
Life is not worth LIVING without daal, tandoori chickens and chapatti
[was that drama queen enuff for ya? *lol--i'm trying to be sympathetic. if ya get stuck and it's legal, i can send you spice packets from here. hell sounds like you should start a back door business!]
Nope, no dried chickpeas, split peas come in small bag only enough for 2 meals and I buy bulk organic whole wheat flour at health food store. Ran out of wheat in whole grain form to mill, have to go back to SK sometime soon and get a few more bags.
Make our own yoghurt at a fraction of the cost and it is way better than any type of store bought. Also make my own tandoori spice out of black peppercorns, coriander, cumin, whole cloves, tumeric, paprika, cayenne, cinnamon and nutmeg.
Thanks for the recipe. But doesn't habitant pea soup have pork in it?
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I got a buddy who wants to come this week for dinner. He's begging for East Indian
How do you make yogurt?
It's cheap here for good yoghurt but the small ones are too small and the quart is too much for one person. Making a pint would be perfect.
I got a great easy bread recipe if you're interested, too.
Yoghurt last for a long time when homemade. Though we go through a lot of it.
You bring the milk, whatever type your using, to a boil, and I mean just to a boil, very slowly. Then you cool it quickly, by submerging cooking pot and milk in cold water, (do not get water into milk) to body temp, stirring the milk cools it more quickly, so when you stick your little (clean) finger into it, you cannot feel either hot, nor cold. If it feels cool you have to reheat to a boil.
Meanwhile you put, either 2 tablespoons of natural yoghurt, or a capsule of acidophelus (opened and poured in) a ltre jar, pour the warm body temp milk in, give it a stir put the lid on and you then keep it warm (we put ours into a cooler lined and covered with towels, but if making less, just wrapping the container in a towel and leaving on counter is fine) for 6 hours and then refigerate. Once you have made your own you will never go back to store bought. Plastic containers make yoghurt taste bad actually. We make about 8 ltres at a time, but you can make any amount you want.
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Okay so I should make it in mason jars. I have lots of old ones and that would be just the right amount for a few chicken legs and dipping
Could I get the capsules of acidophelus at the drug store in the health vitamins section? And do I have to have that to make it yogurt?
No you do not need the acidophelus to make yoghurt, you can use 2tble spoons of plain/natural yoghurt per ltre jar. A good kind of yoghurt though, like Olympic. You get the caps at a health food store in the refrig section, as that is where you have to keep them, or the bacteria dies. They are about 15 bucks per/90 caps. So I would go with good yoghurt for a starter unless you plan on taking them as a suppliment. You can also get the st8 powder acidophelus, no caps and you need about 1/2 tsp with that type.
Mason jars are excellent for making yoghurt, thats all we use. Just save enough from made batch of yoghurt to start a new batch, when needed.
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Not to be difficult but if I *had* a quart of yoghurt why would I MAKE a jar of yogurt? I mean, how much yogurt can I eat?
I assume if I freeze the "starter" yogurt the little yogurt-making machines in it will freeze to death and it will be useless?
Oh wait--so I could get one TINY lunch portion yogurt for 50c and use THAT to start the mason jar with milk? [and all the rest of the instructions]
OH WAIT OH WAIT OH WAIT!!!!!! <<<jumping up and down with excitement....
So....
It's like sourdough?
If I keep a tiny jar of the NEW yogurt I can make MORE yogurt for ever and ever and evermore as long as the milk shall flow?????
Yes, a tiny yoghurt would work just fine, plain of course.
You do not eat yoghurt all the time? You should be having it daily, at least 4oz. You can mix anything you want into it. It is all I use for veggie dips etc.
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No, I don't eat it every day. But I like it.
When I buy a quart though, half of it often gets wasted before I eat it. That's why I like the mason jar size idea. When I am making my bread 2x a week it would be easy to do at the same time.
I like Lassi too.
And I make fruit sorbets in the summer. They're 'way better than ice cream.
I beg your pardon?!!
My cats have always been impeccable dishlickers. In fact, I usually have to wash the dish right away or I might end up putting away the one they licked, thinking it was clean.
It all depends on the food, though - they tend to be pickier than dogs, I think.
Pea soup, yogurt, cereal w/milk, ice cream, humus (non-spicy), corn, lentils, fish, mashed potatoes, any trace of chicken etc... guaranteed spotless finish.
In fact, if it's something my cats won't eat I know I shouldn't be eating it either, probably.
Ultimately, it's a bloody sin to keep on populating the planet this far north, where heating of any sort is an unconscionable burden on the whole world.
Ideally, space-sharing works best. I've grown to love living in a house, which is considered small by most standards, but in my little town it's standard for single people and couples with no kids to stay in their house, where 4 or even 5 people should be able to live. Having said that, I recognize that I should be in a townhouse or an apartment, which are the most effective in terms of cost and pollution and consumption of resources.
Even more ideally, there should be a system of grants or tax breaks to enable house-dwellers who are not bound by work to stay in the frozen north, to shut their house and migrate south for the 2 or 3 worst months. Physicians will tell you that older people who are in relatively good health would benefit from such a plan, since they are at the highest risk for complications from broken limbs and hips, and also for cardiovascular conditions aggravated by the stress of relentless cold. Someone should sell the idea to their provincial gov't, because of the savings such a subsidy would represent.
Families could be encouraged to subsidize such trips, too, as part of a wellness and prevention program. For the cost of heating and electricity for a house a person could pay for a shared efficiency in Arizona or Florida. There could be charter buses and perhaps even special rates on wholesale rentals. Clothing's a tad cheaper, too.
Thanks, G.Pie. I'm adding that to my check-list and circulating it.
I too disagree with stealing office supplies.
Drip-dry clothes on the line in the summer and in winter hang them in the bathroom or basement if it's not dusty -adds moisture to dry heated house.
I got this off Virgin Mobile's new site, Screw You Recession.ca
Marketing from an adolescent perspective, kids are encouraged to submit money saving ideas, and there's a recession meter panic widget.
All joking aside, that's actually where I learned about Freecycle.org and that site looks amazing - hopefully that's the new economy our children will inherit, a place where good karma is currency.
Um... Its about gas prices and the thread has the word Gas in it?