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ONDP Leadership thread II - discuss, debate, post news here!
At one time I was Behind Peter for his stance on the Environment. I began to question his ability to win when it became apparent to me that he was a one issue candidate. Not a stance that will win a General election. I like Gilles I think he has a strong presence and is an affable guy with some good policies, but I don't think Ontario wants another NDPer from the north at this time. Andrea seems to be too inexperienced, at least in formal speaking functions to win over the soft liberals and conservatives.
I think Michael has the most overall appeal to get elected by both NDP and Non NDP voters.
With regards to Andrea proclaiming she is the right choice because she is a woman, that's sexist. Saying she was the right person for the job would have been a more mature decision.
My favourite peace of campaign literature came from "The Desk OF Andrea Horwath" , yes she is the youngest candidate, all that was missing was for her to dot her " i's" with little hearts.
You know, I've let a lot of subtle sexism pass without comment during this campaign. But, this is pure over the top unvarnished paternalism.
Do you really think that's going to help your candidate. I certainly hope that you aren't being paid by the Prue campaign to post here because, if you are, they should ask for their money back.
P.S. On the environmental question, at least Andrea's campaign sent only one mailing to the four members in my house. Others have sent four. BTW, I'm using electricity to send this message.
With regards to Andrea proclaiming she is the right choice because she is a woman, that's sexist. Saying she was the right person for the job would have been a more mature decision.
She is the right person for the job. And a woman.
As I've pointed out before, mentioning her gender is exactly comparable to Prue reminding people (repeatedly) that he grew up in Regent Park.
And, after your last post, I don't think you should be lecturing anyone else about sexism.
At the risk of feeding the beast, I'll note that this is the sort of thing you release when your lawyers remind you that you can't tell the truth about something due to the conditions of a settlement.
Or when your lawyers tell you you can't say something because it's not true. Lockout has a specific meaning in labour law and there was simply no lockout at Greenpeace.
At one time I was Behind Peter for his stance on the Environment.
Horsefeathers. Exactly when would that have been?
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I began to question his ability to win when it became apparent to me that he was a one issue candidate....
Now at least your attempting to talk about POLICY. Very good! However, using talking points from a negative editorial from a NDP hostile board from the Liberal Star is a little unbecoming. I'm quite sure you visited all the candidates websites and looked at the "Issues" sections. In fact, I recommend you take a look at all 4 leaders websites again and re-read what they say when it comes to "issues".... some have (much) more to say then others.... I'll leave it to you and others to decide which candidate(s) has (have) the most comprehensive, fleshed out ideas, on a myriad of issues.
I know people in the NDP like to blame vast media conspiracies for setbacks but can we not accept that it's possible the Star said Peter Tabuns was an uninspiring single-issue candidate because they thought he was an uninspiring single-issue candidate? I voted NDP all of my life and it's pretty much the conclusion I reached.
If the worst thing that can be said about Tabuns is that he is a "single issue candidate" and that single issues can be described as "economy/environment/energy" - my reaction is that this "single issue" is kind of the "elephant in the room". The leader probably should talk about that more than anything else.
And Stockholm, I don't think the Star meant "single-issue candidate" as a compliment. I think when the average Ontario voter listens to Tabuns they don't think, "There's a guy who gets me and my concerns." They think, "That guy says 'green energy economy' incessantly and I don't know or care what he's talking about."
I've never been but plan on attending this one and would like to know what to expect.
What do I wear?
Should I leave my inflatable hammer and sickle at home?
Wear whatever you will be comfortable in, in a southern Ontario winter. There is very little formality -- the Leadership candidates will be "dressed up" and virtually no one else will be (that makes it easier to spot them ). Don't plan on bringing a hammer, inflatable or otherwise. You will be downloaded with paper -- recent conventions have given delegates a cloth bag in which to hold the endless paper, but it will get heavy after a while. A hammer will only weigh you down!
You could attend the arts and crafts event where we will be making paper mache hammers and sickles from all the paper handed out - glossy is best for a great look by the way.
You know, I've let a lot of subtle sexism pass without comment during this campaign. But, this is pure over the top unvarnished paternalism.
Do you really think that's going to help your candidate. I certainly hope that you aren't being paid by the Prue campaign to post here because, if you are, they should ask for their money back.
P.S. On the environmental question, at least Andrea's campaign sent only one mailing to the four members in my house. Others have sent four. BTW, I'm using electricity to send this message.
She is the right person for the job. And a woman.
As I've pointed out before, mentioning her gender is exactly comparable to Prue reminding people (repeatedly) that he grew up in Regent Park.
And, after your last post, I don't think you should be lecturing anyone else about sexism.
Or when your lawyers tell you you can't say something because it's not true. Lockout has a specific meaning in labour law and there was simply no lockout at Greenpeace.
True enough.
Now at least your attempting to talk about POLICY. Very good! However, using talking points from a negative editorial from a NDP hostile board from the Liberal Star is a little unbecoming. I'm quite sure you visited all the candidates websites and looked at the "Issues" sections.
In fact, I recommend you take a look at all 4 leaders websites again and re-read what they say when it comes to "issues".... some have (much) more to say then others.... I'll leave it to you and others to decide which candidate(s) has (have) the most comprehensive, fleshed out ideas, on a myriad of issues.
I know people in the NDP like to blame vast media conspiracies for setbacks but can we not accept that it's possible the Star said Peter Tabuns was an uninspiring single-issue candidate because they thought he was an uninspiring single-issue candidate? I voted NDP all of my life and it's pretty much the conclusion I reached.
Anyone care to make an estimate as to how many members will be at convention?
I've never been but plan on attending this one and would like to know what to expect.
All I know right now is that it costs a whack of dough and I don't think I get a free t shirt......
Anyone out there have any experience on this one?
What do I wear?
Should I leave my inflatable hammer and sickle at home?
Bring the inflatable hammer and sickle SN.
And Stockholm, I don't think the Star meant "single-issue candidate" as a compliment. I think when the average Ontario voter listens to Tabuns they don't think, "There's a guy who gets me and my concerns." They think, "That guy says 'green energy economy' incessantly and I don't know or care what he's talking about."
Wear whatever you will be comfortable in, in a southern Ontario winter. There is very little formality -- the Leadership candidates will be "dressed up" and virtually no one else will be (that makes it easier to spot them
). Don't plan on bringing a hammer, inflatable or otherwise. You will be downloaded with paper -- recent conventions have given delegates a cloth bag in which to hold the endless paper, but it will get heavy after a while. A hammer will only weigh you down!
You could attend the arts and crafts event where we will be making paper mache hammers and sickles from all the paper handed out - glossy is best for a great look by the way.
Heh. An excellent comment to close this long thread, BA.
Continue here, folks.