"You know what, to be fair in terms of the last campaign - we could have stood on our heads and spit golden nickels and we would not have cut through the faith-based school funding issue. We could have had the most perfect campaign in the world and it still wouldn't have gotten through the Liberal's brilliant move to pull that piece out of the Tory playbook and ram it like a wedge."

I’m sorry, but to me, this is evidence that Horwath comes from the “no, we can’t”, Howard Hampton wing of the Ontario NDP.

Was there anything we could have done to win government in the last election? No, maybe not. But, we had a Liberal government with a record of broken promises and a Conservative leader whose campaign self-destructed. We should have been able to grow our seat total, popular vote and claim a victory, of sorts.

I really think we need to get as far away from this defeatist attitude, that has permeated the ONDP, as possible.